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Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

Who is MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans?

  • GOP

    Votes: 5 5.1%

  • Black Leadership

    Votes: 22 22.4%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 15 15.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 56 57.1%
  • Total voters
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Cardinal said:
I said, these are all variables that will raise and lower your likelihood of such success. So a combination of very little money but access to good education and having highly supportive parent/s can, in my mind, actually be more important than a combination of lots of money and zero emotional support. Now, let's take away emotional support, money and a good education opportunity and....well, sorry, but I wouldn't bet any money on that kid. You have to consider all the variables. You can't pin it down to just one (or even two). And just for the record, the brains god gave you (DNA) is absolutely going to be one of those variables.
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If the parents encourage the child, the child will succeed with hard work and effort and a laser focus on the prize. It's happened over and over again in our country where very poor people with pretty awful childhoods rise to the top.

So if the parents aren't encouraging their kids to succeed, then they are the problems in the equation.

Brain capacity does help. I would bet that most not-so-smart people know their limitations and wouldn't aim to be POTUS. But they should still aim higher than their current situations if those situations are bad ones.
 
Gathomas88 said:
True. However, it's hard to deny that the problem has become a lot worse in recent decades, and that African Americans tend to have the most serious issues with it.

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This trend has resulted in some rather nasty economic and social consequences for the black community as a whole over the course of the last few decades.
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Well, those statistics would tend to indicate that single black women have perfected the "have another baby, increase your welfare check" scam, or perhaps those damn white Christians have been hogging all the condoms and putting the abortion clinics off the subway/bus lines.
 
Gathomas88 said:
The vast majority of African Americans in the United States have been here for two centuries at least, and all have been free of slavery for at least one hundred and fifty years. That's plenty of time to establish a language, belief system, and a cohesive family structure, or integrate into those utilized by society at large.

Quite frankly, right up until the 1970s, they had all three of the former, and were well on their way towards cinching the latter.

African Americans, for whatever reason, simply happen to have largely "dismantled" their own pre-existing culture and family structure over the course of the last few decades. The Dems bear some blame for that, in supporting policies which made this negative transition easier. The GOP might very well bear some blame as well in their overly-enthusiastic pursuit of the "drug war."

However, the major impetus for that change has always come from the black community itself, and always will. Until the attitudes which make this state of affairs possible reverse themselves on some fundamental level, the problem isn't going to be going away any time soon either.

Any which way you want to look at it, the bottom line here is that if the black community wants to get ahead, they are going to have to do it for themselves. No one can do it for them.
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My post was a response to the notion that black people have only themselves to blame. I'm not making the argument that they are not responsible for their own problems. But to handwave away history...to say "It's all good now! It's been 150 years since the end of slavery!" is silly beyond words. History has greater shockwaves than that. Didn't you ever watch Connections?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series)
 
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AJiveMan said:
The thing I was alluding to was the fact that people believe this promiscuity thing is something of a recent phenomenon among blacks, it's been going on for quite some time, and it isn't restricted to primarily one race or ethnicity of people. It's been going on forever.

One of the reasons I picked Dale Evans was because she probably became pregnant at age 14 and nearly had a child out of wedlock. Guess who hired her for her motion picture debut?

One other early star had a child out of wedlock too, she was also a white person, and she was hired by the same studios, her name escapes me now because I deleted her information from my bookmarks a while back.

So this problem isn't only a black thing, whites are affected by it too.
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Alexander Hamilton was born out of wedlock in a time where being born out of wedlock was a sin for the mother, the baby, her family, and so on. Being born out of wedlock happens in all races. The question is, what percentage of blacks, whites, hispanics, Asians, etc. are born out of wedlock today, but even that is an artificial number. I have 2 friends who are both career women who didn't want to get married, but both wanted children, and each had one, technically out of wedlock. They were both in their mid-30s and cared for those children well. The being born without a father thing sometimes works.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, it was.
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No it wasn't. The drug laws (and the subsequent "war on drugs") targets drug users. The enforcement of these laws may be a different story, but the intent of the drug laws and the "war on drugs" was not to "target minorities" as you seem to proclaim.
 
Cardinal said:
My post was a response to the notion that black people have only themselves to blame. I'm not making the argument that they are not responsible for their own problems. But to handwave away history...to say "It's all good now! It's been 150 years since the end of slavery!" is silly beyond words. History has greater shockwaves than that. Didn't you ever watch Connections?
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Today they only have themselves to blame.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Wrong. Like I said, some of the writing of the time is much hand-ringing over drugs minorities use, and these laws target them specifically. Black people are not the highest percentage of drug users -- not even close -- and they are sent to prison at a rate much higher than the percentage of drug users they comprise, and also much higher than the percentage of arrested drug users they comprise.
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So you're just as upset with abortion right? Try looking at the history of Planned Parenthood. You might be surprised to be what the liberals have been supporting all along.
 
Gathomas88 said:
True. However, it's hard to deny that the problem has become a lot worse in recent decades, and that African Americans tend to have the most serious issues with it.

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This trend has resulted in some rather nasty economic and social consequences for the black community as a whole over the course of the last few decades.
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Am I reading that right? Does that say almost 3 out of every 4 black babies are born to single mothers?
 
Cardinal said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Single motherhood is on the rise for whites as well as blacks, and tends to be just as harmful.

As a matter of fact, it has actually been linked by several economists to the shrinking Middle Class in our society, and the reduced upward social mobility we have experienced over the course of the last few decades.

My post was a response to the notion that black people have only themselves to blame. I'm not making the argument that they are not responsible for their own problems. But to handwave away history...to say "It's all good now! It's been 150 years since the end of slavery!" is silly beyond word
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Again, the simple fact of the matter is that they were doing just fine for themselves right up until the mid Twentieth Century. As a matter of fact, they were on the fast track to success, like any other immigrant or minority group.

They only began to backslide after the 1970s, when the Great Society Program sent Government dependency shooting through the roof, the political idea of "black victim-hood" came into vogue, and the structure of black families began to break down.

Every immigrant group to enter the United States has had to give up their culture, language, and old country family structure (or at least they did, before 'multi-culturalism' became all the rage) in order to integrate into American society. They all managed to succeed in spite of it.

I'm sorry, but "we were slaves a couple of hundred years ago" simply isn't a valid excuse for current under-performance. :shrug:
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, the simple fact of the matter is that they were doing just fine for themselves right up until the mid Twentieth Century.
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Tell me you didn't just say that.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Sure, but the rates a very different.
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And whose fault is that? The poor white community doesn't punish whites for trying to get out of the ghetto. The poor Hispanic community doesn't call Hispanics who try to better themselves "Uncle Tomas". It's only the black community who turns on their own for trying to be successful.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Again, the simple fact of the matter is that they were doing just fine for themselves right up until the mid Twentieth Century. As a matter of fact, they were on the fast track to success, like any other immigrant or minority group.

They only began to backslide after the 1970s, when the Great Society Program sent Government dependency shooting through the roof, the political idea of "black victim-hood" came into vogue, and the structure of black families began to break down.

Every immigrant group to enter the United States has had to give up their culture, language, and old country family structure (or at least they did, before 'multi-culturalism' became all the rage) in order to integrate into American society. They all managed to succeed in spite of it.

I'm sorry, but "we were slaves a couple of hundred years ago" simply isn't a valid excuse for current under-performance. :shrug:
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100 years ago no woman could be Secretary of State, a senator, a congressperson, a CEO, etc. Good thing Hillary Clinton, Condi Rice, Nancy Pelosi, Meg Whitman and many many others didn't attempt to use that excuse for going after what they wanted to achieve.
 
Cephus said:
And whose fault is that? The poor white community doesn't punish whites for trying to get out of the ghetto. The poor Hispanic community doesn't call Hispanics who try to better themselves "Uncle Tomas". It's only the black community who turns on their own for trying to be successful.
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Exactly. On the contrary, I think you could make the argument that those 2 groups you mentioned applaud people from their groups who try to succeed and rise out of poverty.
 
RedAkston said:
No it wasn't. The drug laws (and the subsequent "war on drugs") targets drug users. The enforcement of these laws may be a different story, but the intent of the drug laws and the "war on drugs" was not to "target minorities" as you seem to proclaim.
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Anyone who doesn't want to be targeted by drug enforcement shouldn't use drugs to begin with.
 
tres borrachos said:
Exactly. On the contrary, I think you could make the argument that those 2 groups you mentioned applaud people from their groups who try to succeed and rise out of poverty.
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Yes, very much so and if you move to Asian communities, not only do they tend to support those who move up, they expect it. All of these groups have different cultural norms and among those groups, only the ghetto black community is actively eating their own.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Yup. Insane, innit?
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It's certainly not a positive thing.

I'd like to know how many of them are capable of taking care of the children they bear without "assistance". I don't think you need to be married to have children, but you certainly need to be able to care for them andprovide for them on your own if you make that choice to do it alone.
 
tres borrachos said:
Am I reading that right? Does that say almost 3 out of every 4 black babies are born to single mothers?
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Yes, yes you are. It's clear that one of these groups is doing something entirely wrong. Actually, they all are but one is far, far worse than the others and people don't want to acknowledge that simple and demonstrable fact.
 
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