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"Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

Should the words "Under God" be in the pledge of allegiance?

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tres borrachos said:
It's there, so let it stay there. I said it for years and it didn't harm me. My kids say it every day and none of them know any religion.
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My kids don't say it and they have been prodded with other kid's feet, questioned in front of the class by the teacher, asked "are you a terrorist or something?" The practical issue here is that kids who don't say the Pledge - for whatever reason - know that they don't have to; the kids who say the Pledge DON'T know that they don't have to. This makes the abstainers suspect in every way.
 
MasterLiberty said:
IF we have to pull the plegde from school because its "indoctrination" then maybe we should pull FDR and the NEW Deal from history classes because it "indoctrinates" kids to believe that the NEW Deal and socialism saved america (when it really lengthened the depression 5 years.) Lets pull abraham lincoln out of the history books because it "indoctrinates" kids to believe that Lincoln was a good president although he overstepped almost ALL of the boundaries of his powers as president. Ohhh and uhhh shaking hands and saying "good game" after gym class or sporting events indoctrinates kids to congradulate losers.... oh my I've gone on another awful somewhat snyde and rude satirical rant.... oh my.
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If we pull indoctrination out of schools, kids won't have a reason to go to school any longer.
 
Hifi said:
My kids don't say it and they have been prodded with other kid's feet, questioned in front of the class by the teacher, asked "are you a terrorist or something?" The practical issue here is that kids who don't say the Pledge - for whatever reason - know that they don't have to; the kids who say the Pledge DON'T know that they don't have to. This makes the abstainers suspect in every way.
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So? Report the teachers to the school board. Teachers aren't supposed to ask kids if they're terrorists. What does that have to do with my post?
 
spud_meister said:
Are you saying the founders wanted a Chinese style republic?
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if the founders had wanted a representative democracy.....then they would have made the senate and the president a direct election by the people.......they didn't.

the U.S. was created a republic based on the Roman Republic of antiquity..........NOT the modern day interpretation of a republic.

to the founders a.......... democratic republic is an oxymoron.

a republic of the founders is a "mixed government" [federalist 40], power is NOT directly place all of the people's hands, they only have 50% direct power.

power is divide into 2 half's....the people, and the state legislatures.[pre 17th amendment]

by having power divided, this prevents tyranny.... because 1 single entity does not have all the power to become tyrannical, not the people nor the state legislatures.
 
Johnson said:
I saw this poll elsewhere and decided to post it on here. I'm sorry ahead of time if this poll has been done already.
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Man a lot of God haters in this forum. They will pay on judgment day.
 
Navy Pride said:
Man a lot of God haters in this forum. They will pay on judgment day.
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Judge ye not lest ye judged--
ye have already received thine reward--
and to the Republicans for which it stands -
 
The pledge is for the hardline tough Christians who are tough and ready to push their uniformity onto the masses. Get ready to talk tough with the lockstep chanting patriotism of the tough-enough Merican Christians. They believe in themselves and never give up hope that they can take away your freedom under a new theocratic state.
 
Navy Pride said:
Man a lot of God haters in this forum. They will pay on judgment day.
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Leaving "under God" out of the pledge has nothing to do with hating God or attempting to disrespect God. I am sorry you believe this.
 
The words "under god" were inserted into the pledge as an offshoot of the hysterical McCarthyism of the day, about the same time "In god we trust" was made our national motto, replacing E pluribus unum (which roughly means "Out of many, one".) I still resent hell out of it, because it was the beginning of trying to turn a secular government into a theologically-based government by bringing religion into the Pledge of Allegiance...the concept of which I'm not nuts about anyway, but that's another topic... and our national motto.

If someone has already brought this up, I apologize. I haven't read the entire thread. This subject is just a real pet peeve of mine.
 
DiAnna said:
The words "under god" were inserted into the pledge as an offshoot of the hysterical McCarthyism of the day, about the same time "In god we trust" was made our national motto, replacing E pluribus unum (which roughly means "Out of many, one".) I still resent hell out of it, because it was the beginning of trying to turn a secular government into a theologically-based government by bringing religion into the Pledge of Allegiance...the concept of which I'm not nuts about anyway, but that's another topic... and our national motto.

If someone has already brought this up, I apologize. I haven't read the entire thread. This subject is just a real pet peeve of mine.
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Agreed.

I cannot even believe this is an issue.....why have a pledge that folks in good conscience have to leave parts out of? It is really not a pledge when you have to intentionally leave oout parts, is it?
 
Navy Pride said:
Man a lot of God haters in this forum. They will pay on judgment day.
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That's where you right-wingers have it all wrong. Believing that religion should not mix with government doesn't make someone a "God Hater" anymore than vainly spouting his name in a rote exercise makes someone spiritual.
Right-wingers love to profess and shout the name of God, taking it in vain.....rather than living and demonstrating his principles.
 
tres borrachos said:
So? Report the teachers to the school board. Teachers aren't supposed to ask kids if they're terrorists. What does that have to do with my post?
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You were implying there is no harm here. I was pointing out harm done. Reporting the teacher does not erase the humiliation that can stay with a kid for year.
 
Hifi said:
You were implying there is no harm here. I was pointing out harm done. Reporting the teacher does not erase the humiliation that can stay with a kid for year.
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No, I never made any implication about the "harm". I advised you to go to the school board. Your post had nothing to do with what I posted. It sounds like you have a serious problem with a teacher, and that won't be resolved by me or anyone on this board.
 
Johnson said:
I saw this poll elsewhere and decided to post it on here. I'm sorry ahead of time if this poll has been done already.
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I'm ok with them being in there, but I would be ok with them being removed. I'm not real big on mindless rote pledges anyway, so it's not a big deal to me.

ETA: It *should be* removed, though, if we want to be consistent with our supposed values as a nation.
 
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