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Is All This Really Necessary?

Is All This Necessary?

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CRUE CAB said:
Havent seen anyone mis use one yet. Maybe you could provide a link to a story? We were going to get one, but our local yokals lost an M16 that was given to them. So no more "military" surplus for the Melbourne PD.
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So what does a little burg like Melbourne Fl need M16s and MRAPs for? Expecting an invasion?
 
braindrain said:
I take it you have never driven an MRAP before and don't really know what you are talking about.
It is not that they couldn't drive it just that it is a huge unwieldy vehicle with horrible blind spots. They are also horribly expensive to operate. Take it from someone who has spent a fair amount of time in one. No cop is going to want to drive around in one of these day in and day out. Hell they are to big to fit in parking spaces. Not to mention local citizens will get tired of it real quick.
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I don't think you understand. They aren't using it as a patrol vehicle.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't think you understand. They aren't using it as a patrol vehicle.
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Which is why I said it would most likely not have helped in the video you posted.
Those were not SWAT that were shown in the video so there is a good chance that by the time SWAT would have gotten there that cop would have already been shot.
The tax payers should not have to foot the bill for some cops that want to play Army. If they want to kick doors they should have joined the military
 
braindrain said:
Which is why I said it would most likely not have helped in the video you posted.
Those were not SWAT that were shown in the video so there is a good chance that by the time SWAT would have gotten there that cop would have already been shot.
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in every conceivable circumstance?
The tax payers should not have to foot the bill for some cops that want to play Army.
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Police aren't the ones that purchase that equipment.
If they want to kick doors they should have joined the military
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First, you don't need a truck to kick in doors, second police sometimes have to do just that.

What is the deal with you and this truck? Who cares?
 
CLAX1911 said:
in every conceivable circumstance? well if we are going off of that then maybe cops should have tanks and fighter planes. Maybe even nukes. I mean you never know right
Police aren't the ones that purchase that equipment. First, you don't need a truck to kick in doors, second police sometimes have to do just that.

What is the deal with you and this truck? Who cares?
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It is more than this truck. It is the militarization of our law enforcement. It's why I mentioned things other than just the truck.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
Really? Like what?
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In many states things like suppressors short barreled rifles, standard capacity mags for many weapons and even in at least one state removable magazines. How is that for a start
 
AJiveMan said:
Hey, all they gotta do is say, come out with your hands up, and it's done.

I don't deal drugs, takes drugs, or make them, I have nothing to fear.

I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them. :lol:
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Many innocent people with the same attitude have served prison time.
 
braindrain said:
It is more than this truck. It is the militarization of our law enforcement. It's why I mentioned things other than just the truck.
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Don't alter my statements. It's immature, and dishonest. Grow up and discuss this like a man.
 
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braindrain said:
It is more than this truck. It is the militarization of our law enforcement. It's why I mentioned things other than just the truck.
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It's just an armored truck. It doesn't have a canon on it, would you feel better if the wasted money armoring the piece of junk crown Victoria cars they drive? Or blow more money armoring a van? Why not reuse military equipment like this.

It isn't like a tank or a jet, those aren't personnel movers, they are weapons. It's an armored personnel carrier, it's primary purpose is to protect people. Do shoot outs happen? Would police be safe in this truck?

What difference does it make if it was on a battle field? It could do the exact same thing here right?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
How often have heavily armored vehicles been actually needed in a civilian policing action? It's almost always overkill, like ramming it through a "drug house" that may or may not even be the right house. They need to stop right meow. How do you blow weed exactly? I've been looking for some new techniques to spice things up a bit. I assume it has something to do with snorting because blow is cocaine and not weed?
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Well to be accurate, a wheeled APC isn't heavily armored, the Bradley is, a wheeled vehicle not so much.

Several sheriff depts have the MRAP, they got them for $2,500 as an open ended lease. Besides transporting the jack booted thugs CONs love to fear, they will come in very handy in severe weather and negotiating obstacles a patrol cruiser can't.

Blowing weed is a new term for toking a doob, ya gotta keep up. Coke is now 'soft', or white girl in some parts, hardly anyone who doesn't wear double knit suits calls coke 'blow'... :peace
 
ChezC3 said:
This here is one of the most disturbing parts of the article

So what does this say about how people view veterans?
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It says that law enforcement is considering the very real threat of some vets using their military knowledge once they get home. I've been in Mexico for a year now, and the Zetas Cartel did just that. Initially the majority of Zetas were special ops. Disenchanted with some of the things they saw, they turned their backs on the government that trained them and began using their military know how for some of the most brutal tactics.

Arturo Guzmán Decena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arturo Guzmán Decena (a.k.a. Z-1) (13 January 1976 − 21 November 2002) was a Mexican Army Special Forces soldier who, in 1997, defected to the Gulf Cartel, where he founded and commanded Los Zetas, the mercenary gang at the service of the cartel's drug lord, Osiel Cárdenas Guillén.[1]
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If it has already happened in Mexico, it will happen eventually in the US. Being prepared for it doesn't mean people don't support the troops. It means they are getting ready for a very real possibility.
 
braindrain said:
Which is why I said it would most likely not have helped in the video you posted.
Those were not SWAT that were shown in the video so there is a good chance that by the time SWAT would have gotten there that cop would have already been shot.
The tax payers should not have to foot the bill for some cops that want to play Army. If they want to kick doors they should have joined the military
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Around here many of our LEO have military time. Some of them jumped out of perfectly good aircraft before door kicking... ;)

At $2,500 a copy they are not expensive to acquire, to operate is another consideration but until i see them doing a one for one replacement of the patrol units I'd say it will not be burdensome for the tax payers.

Most depts have a single copy, multiple tasks like being able to fight severe weather and high mobility to crawl into tornado devastated areas to be the first on the ground.

I don't see the problem with an enhanced vehicle in a Local PD/sheriff's dept. Any grunt knows a single vehicle is target practice... :2wave:
 
CLAX1911 said:
Don't alter my statements. It's immature, and dishonest. Grow up and discuss this like a man.
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What the hell are you talking about. How did I alter your post. How about you grow up.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You can buy all that stuff.
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No in many states and cities you can not. To try and pretend otherwise completely dishonest. For a cop you really seem to have a poor knowledge of the law.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's just an armored truck. It doesn't have a canon on it, would you feel better if the wasted money armoring the piece of junk crown Victoria cars they drive? Or blow more money armoring a van? Why not reuse military equipment like this.

It isn't like a tank or a jet, those aren't personnel movers, they are weapons. It's an armored personnel carrier, it's primary purpose is to protect people. Do shoot outs happen? Would police be safe in this truck?

What difference does it make if it was on a battle field? It could do the exact same thing here right?
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As I have said several times already it is not just this truck. Why are you having a hard time understanding that.
 
braindrain said:
What the hell are you talking about. How did I alter your post. How about you grow up.
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This was my post.
CLAX1911 said:
in every conceivable circumstance?
Police aren't the ones that purchase that equipment. First, you don't need a truck to kick in doors, second police sometimes have to do just that.

What is the deal with you and this truck? Who cares?
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This is the alteration you added.
in every conceivable circumstance? well if we are going off of that then maybe cops should have tanks and fighter planes. Maybe even nukes. I mean you never knowright
Police aren't the ones that purchase that equipment. First, you don't need a truck to kick in doors, second police sometimes have to do just that.

What is the deal with you and this truck? Who cares?
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The red underlined bit is what you altered.
 
braindrain said:
As I have said several times already it is not just this truck. Why are you having a hard time understanding that.
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You keep saying that, but the only thing you seem to mention that is different is that it was used in combat. Doesn't really matter where it's driven, it's still just a truck. Other than being armored what makes it not a truck?
 
joG said:
I certainly hope not.



PS: Is anyone here on the town council with a police department that has bought such equipment? What is the thinking behind it?
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You should have read the article...

The Pentagon program does not push equipment onto local departments. The pace of transfers depends on how much unneeded equipment the military has, and how much the police request. Equipment that goes unclaimed typically is destroyed. So police chiefs say their choice is often easy: Ask for free equipment that would otherwise be scrapped, or look for money in their budgets to prepare for an unlikely scenario. Most people understand, police officers say.
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These excess vehicles are just another unintended consequence of wasting trillions on the Iraq war. Now you think we should waste even more money by scrapping this equipment instead of repurposing it?
 
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braindrain said:
No in many states and cities you can not. To try and pretend otherwise completely dishonest. For a cop you really seem to have a poor knowledge of the law.
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I know the law pretty well in my state (Texas) I can't work in other states so I don't see much point in knowing the law there.

I have bought all of this stuff, looking before I was a peace officer, aside froma suppressor, I did so legally. Don't blame the police because some states step all over the second amendment. That is the legislature.
 
iguanaman said:
You should have read the article...



These excess vehicles are just another unintended consequence of wasting trillions on the Iraq war. Now you think we should waste even more money by scrapping this equipment instead of repurposing it?
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This is what Harris county has. They use it. But I costed a fortune. Free slightly used vehicles seem to be a better deal. They have people in their department that drove those trucks, andknow how they work.
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CLAX1911 said:
This was my post.
This is the alteration you added.
The red underlined bit is what you altered.
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That is not me altering what you wrote. It is me replying to what you wrote. Its in the middle of your post so you know which part i was refering to. That is why it is in bold. Pretty standard to do that on forums.
 
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