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Is All This Really Necessary?

Is All This Necessary?


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ChezC3

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Inside the municipal garage of this small lakefront city, parked next to the hefty orange snowplow, sits an even larger truck, this one painted in desert khaki. Weighing 30 tons and built to withstand land mines, the armored combat vehicle is one of hundreds showing up across the country, in police departments big and small.

The 9-foot-tall armored truck was intended for an overseas battlefield. But as President Obama ushers in the end of what he called America’s “long season of war,” the former tools of combat — M-16 rifles, grenade launchers, silencers and more — are ending up in local police departments, often with little public notice.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html

Do our police have to be militarized? Is this what we want patrolling our streets?

Is all this really necessary?
 
No they don't, and they're getting a militant attitude and too big for their britches.

Yeah, we need to give criminals the upper hand, keep the semi auto weapons in the hands of criminals, and just issue the cops .38 revolvers. </sarcasm off>

I could tell a story about a Chicago cop and his partner going on a domestic call in Cabrini Green in the 1960's, but I'll spare people the drivel.
 
Yeah, we need to give criminals the upper hand, keep the semi auto weapons in the hands of criminals, and just issue the cops .38 revolvers. </sarcasm off>

I could tell a story about a Chicago cop and his partner going on a domestic call in Cabrini Green in the 1960's, but I'll spare people the drivel.

Yeah, the local police need a 30 ton military vehicle. Don't be silly.
 
It would be fun to watch one of those rip the side of you house out, and see you crawl out crying like a baby. It would serve your right for voting for such draconian nonsense.

Hey, all they gotta do is say, come out with your hands up, and it's done.

I don't deal drugs, takes drugs, or make them, I have nothing to fear.

I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them. :lol:
 
Is all this really necessary?

I certainly hope not.



PS: Is anyone here on the town council with a police department that has bought such equipment? What is the thinking behind it?
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html

Do our police have to be militarized? Is this what we want patrolling our streets?

Is all this really necessary?
To an extent I’m sure it is. At the extreme (which any police department could face with little notice) many criminals are heavily armed or militarised.

I think there is a bit of spin going on with this kind of thing anyway. So they’re getting vehicles that happen to be armoured. That in itself isn’t really the issue. I seems to me that the fact they’re ex-military vehicles is being used symbolically (and often in an exaggerated manner) as an easy, lazy way to attack the police in generic terms rather than putting in the time and effort needed to effectively challenge real issues of police procedures and tactics.

Of course I’m sure some people are complaining just for the sake of it and whatever the military did with this equipment it no long has active use for would be deemed wrong and whatever the police obtained would be somehow inappropriate.
 
I certainly hope not.



PS: Is anyone here on the town council with a police department that has bought such equipment? What is the thinking behind it?

Fear.

fear.jpg
 
To some extent it's an expansion of the MIC. Police are receiving funding related to the war on terror\war on drugs. What are they going to do, not spend it?
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html

Do our police have to be militarized? Is this what we want patrolling our streets?

Is all this really necessary?

How often have heavily armored vehicles been actually needed in a civilian policing action? It's almost always overkill, like ramming it through a "drug house" that may or may not even be the right house.

They need to stop right meow.

Meh, only when people blow too much weed. :lol:

How do you blow weed exactly? I've been looking for some new techniques to spice things up a bit. I assume it has something to do with snorting because blow is cocaine and not weed?
 
Hey, all they gotta do is say, come out with your hands up, and it's done.

I don't deal drugs, takes drugs, or make them, I have nothing to fear.

I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them. :lol:

That's because leftwingers foolishly believe the govt is their friend.
 
That's because leftwingers foolishly believe the govt is their friend.

Whoa, I never saw that coming. Whenever you're going to do that, at least give me some warning so I can raise the defense shields. :lamo
 
Whoa, I never saw that coming. Whenever you're going to do that, at least give me some warning so I can raise the defense shields. :lamo

:monkey
 
How often have heavily armored vehicles been actually needed in a civilian policing action? It's almost always overkill, like ramming it through a "drug house" that may or may not even be the right house.

They need to stop right meow.



How do you blow weed exactly? I've been looking for some new techniques to spice things up a bit. I assume it has something to do with snorting because blow is cocaine and not weed?
Old expression, maybe before your beginning time on earf.

Urban Dictionary: Blowing
 
Hey, all they gotta do is say, come out with your hands up, and it's done.

I don't deal drugs, takes drugs, or make them, I have nothing to fear.

I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them. :lol:

So, since you don't do anything illegal, it is okay for cops to abuse civil rights, and act like the mob when in the process of law enforcement. That is a very faulty way to think, if you value your rights in society.
 
I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them. :lol:


Yeah, yeah, the conservatives are the one's living in fear while the dumb ass democrat in office is arming very governmental agency he can to the teeth...

:lamo

To an extent I’m sure it is. At the extreme (which any police department could face with little notice) many criminals are heavily armed or militarised.

I think there is a bit of spin going on with this kind of thing anyway. So they’re getting vehicles that happen to be armoured. That in itself isn’t really the issue. I seems to me that the fact they’re ex-military vehicles is being used symbolically (and often in an exaggerated manner) as an easy, lazy way to attack the police in generic terms rather than putting in the time and effort needed to effectively challenge real issues of police procedures and tactics.

Of course I’m sure some people are complaining just for the sake of it and whatever the military did with this equipment it no long has active use for would be deemed wrong and whatever the police obtained would be somehow inappropriate.

Ze Germans are coming!!! ZE GERMANS ARE COMING!!!!.
:scared:

You've got a better chance of seeing that than the roving, armed, criminal posses who're ready to strike and take down poor unsuspecting police departments in Middle America at any moment. The whole thing is contrived.
 
Sometimes it pays to be paranoid?

Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the government isn't out to get you...

:wink2:
 
Ze Germans are coming!!! ZE GERMANS ARE COMING!!!!. :scared:
Isn’t that the response towards the police here? A mindless panic that having a few ex-military vehicles will magically turn the US in to some kind of militarised police state?

You've got a better chance of seeing that than the roving, armed, criminal posses who're ready to strike and take down poor unsuspecting police departments in Middle America at any moment. The whole thing is contrived.
As I said, I was talking about in the extreme. I agree that 99% of the time, the high-end capabilities of these vehicles will be irrelevant. They’re still cheap vehicles that the police can make practical use of though, so there is no reason for it to be a negative thing. Would you rather this valuable equipment was just scrapped of left to rot in some warehouse somewhere?
 
Hey, all they gotta do is say, come out with your hands up, and it's done.

I don't deal drugs, takes drugs, or make them, I have nothing to fear.

I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them. :lol:

I kind of agree. I've been seeing a lot of anti-cop sentiment from more and more conservatives.
 
yes, at times it might be necessary. Whether it is with gangs, criminal organizations or extremist heavily armed groups, you cannot risk them being better or more heavily armed than your police.
 
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