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Should the TEA Party abandon the Gadsden Flag after the shooting in Vegas

Should the TEA party abandon the Gadsden flag after the NV shooting?

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Now that it has come out the shooters were supporters of Bundy, supporters to the TEA Party and laid a Gadsden flag on one of the dead officers they gunned down. Should the TEA party move away from the Gadsden flag?
 
voyager1 said:
Now that it has come out the shooters were supporters of Bundy, supporters to the TEA Party and laid a Gadsden flag on one of the dead officers they gunned down. Should the TEA party move away from the Gadsden flag?
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Should they have to? No. If people want to assume that two people represent an entire movement, then they are truly idiots.

Should they? Yes, because of the very reason that many people are idiots and will try to associate the tea party with these two murderers.
 
i'm no fan of the tea party. however, as is true with any political movement, the actions of a couple nutbags are the actions of a couple nutbags.

should political organizations stop being so "us vs them" inflammatory? yes. there is no need to rev up the actual crazies with hyperpartisan nonsense. but the vast majority of tea party members would never dream of doing something so horrifying; similarly, the vast majority of teenagers will never shoot up a school.

there's always a temptation to highlight one nutbag who is connected to the other team, and then try to use that to indict the entire ideology. this is intellectually dishonest.
 
Not because of this incident, no. They could however, make a more concerted effort to distance themselves from extremist and militia groups who may use the flag as well.
 
No. I love the flag.
 
voyager1 said:
Now that it has come out the shooters were supporters of Bundy, supporters to the TEA Party and laid a Gadsden flag on one of the dead officers they gunned down. Should the TEA party move away from the Gadsden flag?
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Should christians stop using crosses because the KKK likes to light them on fire?
Should Catholics stop operating daycares and religious schools because of a few pedophile priests?
Should muslims stop flying planes because of a few terrorists?
Should Mormons stop practicing mormonism because of Warren Jeffs?
I am sure I could go on further but I think I made my point.
 
TheNextEra said:
Should they have to? No. If people want to assume that two people represent an entire movement, then they are truly idiots.

Should they? Yes, because of the very reason that many people are idiots and will try to associate the tea party with these two murderers.
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I always had a lot of reservations with the TP adopting the Gadsden flag personally. Both sides take our national heritage, but the political parties really don't have much in common with the the parties of the founding of this country. I use parties in founding pretty loosely obviously.
 
No, but keep the guilt by association game going :roll:

The shooters in Vegas also breathed....should the Tea Party stop breathing? I'm sure they've probably gone to McDonalds as well.....Should McDonald's stop selling fries? These questions make about as much sense as yours. Or going a different direction, should Muslims stop flying on planes after 9/11?

Because a few idiots held certain similar views or gave their vocal support to something doesn't in any way indicate they are representatitive of said group or that the group directly had any impact on them being idiots.

No, the Tea Party shouldn't give power to two lunatics by altering how they function or act out of some misguided and ignorant belief that they're responsible.
 
I have no idea what this flag is about. But I think that only in extreme cases should symbols be abandoned because other people or groups use it for bad things.

Two examples: Charlie Chaplin's moustache, and the Hindu swastika.
 
If the shooters had laid Obamas book on the dead officer, should he disown his book?

Why would anybody change what they do based on what crazy people do?
 
Hell no, it would be like hiding your beliefs. Screw that. The 2A is a focal point of the Tea Party.
I don't "belong" to the party, but align with that support.
 
a351 said:
Not because of this incident, no. They could however, make a more concerted effort to distance themselves from extremist and militia groups who may use the flag as well.
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Why should they do that?
 
Of all the animals in existence, the Tea Party chose to put a snake on its unofficial flag. A ****ing snake. If they can't see the irony in that, well, then there's no hope in reasoning with them at all.
 
voyager1 said:
Now that it has come out the shooters were supporters of Bundy, supporters to the TEA Party and laid a Gadsden flag on one of the dead officers they gunned down. Should the TEA party move away from the Gadsden flag?
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No, they own it now, let 'em have it.

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Absolutely not, stick with what you believe in! Just because reactionaries tried to recreate the beer hall putsch at Cici's pizza with 2 people does not mean you appease them for doing what they did.
 
Phys251 said:
Of all the animals in existence, the Tea Party chose to put a snake on its unofficial flag. A ****ing snake. If they can't see the irony in that, well, then there's no hope in reasoning with them at all.
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There is no hope in reasoning with someone who does not see what the flags true message is.
 
Helix said:
i'm no fan of the tea party. however, as is true with any political movement, the actions of a couple nutbags are the actions of a couple nutbags.

should political organizations stop being so "us vs them" inflammatory? yes. there is no need to rev up the actual crazies with hyperpartisan nonsense. but the vast majority of tea party members would never dream of doing something so horrifying; similarly, the vast majority of teenagers will never shoot up a school.

there's always a temptation to highlight one nutbag who is connected to the other team, and then try to use that to indict the entire ideology. this is intellectually dishonest.
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You must be dreaming if you think Bundy and the Teas have attracted and inflamed only one "nutbag".
 
Lakeside said:
There is no hope in reasoning with someone who does not see what the flags true message is.
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You don't want to open that can of worms. Trust me.
 
voyager1 said:
Now that it has come out the shooters were supporters of Bundy, supporters to the TEA Party and laid a Gadsden flag on one of the dead officers they gunned down. Should the TEA party move away from the Gadsden flag?
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It's not your call.

Stop telling people "Do as I say, not as I do."
 
That's like saying should the history books delete the Gladsden flag from their pages. It's ridiculous. If some crazy shooter carries around the Constitution sometime, do we throw that out too? We pretty much have anyhow, right?
 
iguanaman said:
You must be dreaming if you think Bundy and the Teas have attracted and inflamed only one "nutbag".
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and you must be dreaming if you don't think that there are nutbags of all extreme political stripes.

i am pretty far from the political views of the tea party, and most of them seem to be throwing a temper tantrum most of the time. however, the assholes who killed the police officers are crazy assholes regardless of political affiliation.

would i like to see politics be a whole lot less inflammatory? oh yes. to tell you the truth, i've had about all of it i can stomach. however, one or two ****heads doing something awful does not reflect the views of an entire movement.

at some point, we have to all be members of society and leave this inflammatory nonsense behind.
 
voyager1 said:
Now that it has come out the shooters were supporters of Bundy, supporters to the TEA Party and laid a Gadsden flag on one of the dead officers they gunned down. Should the TEA party move away from the Gadsden flag?
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NO the tea party should learn some history and not go off so half cocked all the time with stupid ideas and statements. Their hero last night is a guy looking for a theocracy. Let them carry the Gadsden Flag...maybe they will someday understand why it is ironic for them to do so.
 
Sababa said:
NO the tea party should learn some history and not go off so half cocked all the time with stupid ideas and statements. Their hero last night is a guy looking for a theocracy. Let them carry the Gadsden Flag...maybe they will someday understand why it is ironic for them to do so.
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Not all Americans are like the hero's of Obama, Pelosi and Reid who glorified the rapist, thieves and vandals of OWS. I will stick with the Tea Party, not only because they have the best interest of America in their minds and hearts but because they are not like the filthy scum animals of Occupy Wall Street.
 
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