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Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

Was George W Bush a good president?

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Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Camlon said:
Normally the point of posting sources is to see where the data comes from. I don't want to be difficult, so the source is here http://econ.economicshelp.org/2009/06/falling-house-prices.htm
But I don't see the point, why do care about his opinion. There are lots of opinions out there and I don't particularly care about the link expect they gave me an useful chart to show my point.
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I already found the source myself by reading it off the bottom of your chart, so thanks anyway. It really wasn't what I thought it was going to be though.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Gipper said:
How cute. Shirking responsibility - like a good liberal.
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LOL....the irony....tell us again what kind of a person would blame Shrub?

FFS.....you reallllllllly thought that one thru.

Must be great to have zero culpability......
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Oooops, you did it again! Hypocrisy is set to full on along with full straw mode!

This knee jerk reaction has caused full foot in mouth implantation.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

ChrisL said:
Why did you leave out the fact that banks were giving mortgages to people that they knew would not be able to pay them. Maybe not illegal, but a lot of times banks and financial institutions were making some shady deals, and that played a role I think.
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He did not "leave it out", he said that Bush could have done something about the out of control lending....and did nothing.

And what do you think of this. This article is a year old, but still.
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But still what? Private lending by the banks has become way to difficult, but the banks want it that way, they would rather sit on the stock they hold until prices rise....but it is causing rents to rise and it is stopping one of the few investment opportunities for families.

Autos are recovering because the lending has NOT gone the way of mortgages.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

ChrisL said:
Why did you leave out the fact that banks were giving mortgages to people that they knew would not be able to pay them. Maybe not illegal, but a lot of times banks and financial institutions were making some shady deals, and that played a role I think.
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They didn't really give to people they knew would not pay it back. They gave loans to risky people. However, it is my belief that tighter lending standards would not have prevented the property bubble and the financial crisis. Subprime mortgages was not the main problem. http://phoenixsourcedistributors.co...ime-mortgages-only-small-part-of-problem1.jpg

The main cause was similar to other property bubbles. People invest because they expect prices to go up. Once prices no longer go up, they will try to sell as fast as possible to avoid losing money. Everyone trying to sell at the same moment will further decrease prices.

Many people are unable to pay back their loans because their assets are worth too little. Banks will have to pay the rest. Once the bank start to struggle, then you have an financial crisis.


And what do you think of this. This article is a year old, but still.
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I think it will have little effect, and is not the way to achieve economic recovery. He needs to focus on jobs instead.

I am not too worried about a new financial crisis right now. They generally come when people have forgotten about the last one.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Gipper said:
Thank you. Now every major issue that's happened in the last 6 years, I'll just say "Thanks, Obama!", since you've given it merit.

Anyone who buys a house they cannot afford with a down payment that hardly exists from a bank that has no business providing a loan - and blames the president - doesn't deserve to have a thing. Stupidity should never go unrewarded.

It's a damn shame about all the nutball shooters lately, isn't it? THANKS OBAMA!
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If obama starts subsidizing guns for nutballs then maybe you can blame him for shootings. Bush used the taxpayers money to subsidize loans for people that can't afford them. He considered it one of his biggest accomplishments. What happened in 2008 was the culmination of failed bush policies.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

TheDemSocialist said:
Which is essentially George Bushes site. You essentially copied and pasted faulty intelligence as valid intelgence.
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Well, I didn't get it from Bushes archives.

I bet Bush's administration got it from the same source I did.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

vasuderatorrent said:
Was George W Bush a good president?
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He was passable. Not as good as Truman, Eisenhower, LBJ, Reagan, Bush/41 or Clinton, but better than JFK, Nixon, Carter, or Obama. I don't rate Ford because his tenure was too brief.:peace
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

APACHERAT said:
Well, I didn't get it from Bushes archives.

I bet Bush's administration got it from the same source I did.
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Its word for word from the Bush archives.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

APACHERAT said:
Well, I didn't get it from Bushes archives.

I bet Bush's administration got it from the same source I did.
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It also doesnt help that you cliamed it was factual information but infact it wasnt.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

TheDemSocialist said:
Which sites this: http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/A Decade of Deception and Defiance.pdf
The same the Bush archieves uses A Decade of Deception and Defiance: Table of Contents

None the less it doesn't change the fact that it was a lie.
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These were the sources.

Dec. 2005 - Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

Oct. 19, 2004 - Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq's WMD: Regime Strategic Intent: Key Findings (193 KB)
 
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APACHERAT said:
These were the sources.

Dec. 2005 - Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)

Oct. 19, 2004 - Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq's WMD: Regime Strategic Intent: Key Findings (193 KB)
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Thats not the part you quoted in post #31. You quoted page 18 from "A Decade of Deception and Defiance" http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/A Decade of Deception and Defiance.pdf

It says: "Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out
terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the
United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and
receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.5"
And: "In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of
Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers."

Which is exactly what you stated in your post.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

TheDemSocialist said:
Thats not the part you quoted in post #31. You quoted page 18 from "A Decade of Deception and Defiance" http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/A Decade of Deception and Defiance.pdf

It says: "Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out
terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the
United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and
receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.5"
And: "In April 2002, Saddam Hussein increased from $10,000 to $25,000 the money offered to families of
Palestinian suicide/homicide bombers."

Which is exactly what you stated in your post.
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So what part of the quote are you having a problem with ?

These were used by the Bush administration, they aren't their words but other findings by other people.

On the original link I just provided there were some VP Cheney's words but I didn't use them.
 
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APACHERAT said:
So what part of the quote are you having a problem with ?
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Saying that ANO broke up in 1999.
Any my whole point that the financial support for suicide bombers isnt doing much: Saddam funds fail to buy Gaza hearts | World news | The Guardian

These were used by the Bush administration, they aren't their words but other findings by other people.

On the original link I just provided there were some VP Cheney's words but I didn't use them.
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Saying this is mostly faulty intelligence.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

APACHERAT said:
That aloan is aiding and supporting terrorism.

America declared war against international terrorism back in 2001.
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Giving money to a family who lost their son/daughter/father/mother is not supporting terrorism. But if you consider that terrorism why didnt we invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait? Hell after all we supported terrorism... Some say we still do.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

TheDemSocialist said:
Giving money to a family who lost their son/daughter/father/mother is not supporting terrorism. But if you consider that terrorism why didnt we invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait? Hell after all we supported terrorism... Some say we still do.
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Some are wrong.:peace
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

TheDemSocialist said:
Giving money to a family who lost their son/daughter/father/mother is not supporting terrorism. But if you consider that terrorism why didnt we invade Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait? Hell after all we supported terrorism... Some say we still do.
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Lets move on DemSocialist. How about all the violence Obama says that is happening in Honduras ?

Where are your Freedom Fighters ?
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

vasuderatorrent said:
Was George W Bush a good president?
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Well, with only a yes/no... He was better than he was bad. Far from the best president, but I think he handled his presidency with honor. The last democrat precedent that honored the presidency with respect was Kennedy.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

OnWisconsin said:
He was the most comical president for sure. I use to love watching him give a speech for the lol's.
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They would make fun of him on the comedy shows. after one came up with "strategery" for the skit, Bush turned around and used the word intentionally in a speech.

Most people didn't see his sense of humor.

I like the dinner where he made the slide show looking for the nukes.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

99percenter said:
Iraq and Afghanistan are disastrous. He said it would be quick and easy. He even had a "mission accomplished" banner. Two longest wars in US history and we got nothing out if it except more violence and a failed economy.
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When will liberals stop repeating that misinformation?

The Mission Complete banner was because that ships mission was complete. It was sailing back to it's home port.

How can you expect to be credible if you can't get simple facts strait?
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Camlon said:
They didn't really give to people they knew would not pay it back. They gave loans to risky people. However, it is my belief that tighter lending standards would not have prevented the property bubble and the financial crisis. Subprime mortgages was not the main problem. http://phoenixsourcedistributors.co...ime-mortgages-only-small-part-of-problem1.jpg

The main cause was similar to other property bubbles. People invest because they expect prices to go up. Once prices no longer go up, they will try to sell as fast as possible to avoid losing money. Everyone trying to sell at the same moment will further decrease prices.

Many people are unable to pay back their loans because their assets are worth too little. Banks will have to pay the rest. Once the bank start to struggle, then you have an financial crisis.



I think it will have little effect, and is not the way to achieve economic recovery. He needs to focus on jobs instead.

I am not too worried about a new financial crisis right now. They generally come when people have forgotten about the last one.
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It's a little disturbing that they would be trying to encourage banks to lower their standards again though. Simply stated, everyone cannot afford a home with the prices they are at.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

APACHERAT said:
Lets move on DemSocialist. How about all the violence Obama says that is happening in Honduras ?

Where are your Freedom Fighters ?
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Isnt this about the Bush administration?
 
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