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Has Obama been a good President?

Has Obama been a good President?

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US Conservative said:
Obama has stated in the past that spreading the wealth around is a good thing. What is that, if not "economically leftist"?

BTW, "watermelon" is a term used to describe eco-marxists...green on the outside, red on the inside. ;)
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Your logic is along the lines of "He says Leftist stuff in a market based country, so he must be a Leftist". In other words, nine year old logic.


I suppose I'm suppose to accept that you're actually serious with such logic and think you have a point, so let's do some basic "nine year old education into the big person world of political reality".


Let's begin. Not that I assume you will leave my post with any greater political insight than a nine year old, but I will commence nonetheless.

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Mr.Nick said:
Obama is no better than Adolph Hitler with his agenda.
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And statements like this are why you are impossible to take seriously.

Obama digs the surveillance state. I get that, and I don't like it. But the idea that he is part and parcel to an agenda that included gassing to death millions of people is just absurd.
 
radcen said:
There's not much that can be said that either of us hasn't already said, but I do have a question: Why can't a campaign slogan be based on a literal promise? What makes a slogan magically excepted from literal meaning?
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I'll consider the goalposts moved.

Campaign slogans CAN be based on a promise; that does not mean that the slogan IS the promise.

I have explained the difference several times.
 
Kobie said:
Because that's what I obviously said. I see now you're resorting to abject misrepresentation and strawmanning of everything I've posted in this thread. Congratulations; I should have known better.
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WTH? You are the one with the issue here. I only said I didn't think Obama was a good president who made promises that he never had any intention on keeping.
 
Regardless, the promise of Hope and Change was satisfactorily fulfilled. America is no longer following a neoconservative agenda.
 
ChrisL said:
WTH? You are the one with the issue here. I only said I didn't think Obama was a good president who made promises that he never had any intention on keeping.
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Who is your example of a good president?
 
ChrisL said:
None that I can remember since I've been alive.
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I think that Carter was a good president. Even if he was weak in certain areas, and overly maligned by the right, he never fired a shot during his term. That is a goal that every president should aspire to.
 
Amadeus said:
I think that Carter was a good president. Even if he was weak in certain areas, and overly maligned by the right, he never fired a shot during his term. That is a goal that every president should aspire to.
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I was way too young to remember anything about his presidency. I was only a baby. :lol:
 
ChrisL said:
WTH? You are the one with the issue here. I only said I didn't think Obama was a good president who made promises that he never had any intention on keeping.
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No, that is not what you "only said." Congrats, you lied again.
 
Kobie said:
No, that is not what you "only said." Congrats, you lied again.
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Dude, you obviously are in love with Obama. Whatever, I couldn't care less. I don't think he was a good president, okay? I mean, does that have to pass through your approval or something. Get a hold of yourself.
 
ChrisL said:
Dude, you obviously are in love with Obama. Whatever, I couldn't care less. I don't think he was a good president, okay? I mean, does that have to pass through your approval or something. Get a hold of yourself.
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So you didn't spend several pages arguing with me about the difference between a bumper-sticker slogan and an actual nuts-and-bolts campaign promise? So you didn't accuse me of wearing "partisan blinders" for pointing out the obvious difference between the two? So you didn't claim I was "invested" in a man I didn't even vote for the last time he was up for election?

So you didn't post this:

ChrisL said:
Yup, sure, he is an AWESOME president. AWESOME!!! If there is a hall of fame for POTUSes, he needs to be there!!! :lamo
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In response to me, when I have said nothing of the sort? So you haven't continued to lie your ass off regarding my ACTUAL position on Obama?

You continue to lie, misrepresent and strawman, because it's all you've got. Because I don't fit your little strawman liberal pigeonhole, you have to make **** up, then feign innocence when called on it.

Your posts are here for all of us to see. If you say "all I said is I don't like Obama," you're lying.
 
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Kobie said:
So you didn't spend several pages arguing with me about the difference between a bumper-sticker slogan and an actual nuts-and-bolts campaign promise? So you didn't accuse me of wearing "partisan blinders" for pointing out the obvious difference between the two? So you didn't claim I was "invested" in a man I didn't even vote for the last time he was up for election?

So you didn't post this:



In response to me, when I have said nothing of the sort? So you haven't continued to lie your ass off regarding my ACTUAL position on Obama?

You continue to lie, misrepresent and strawman, because it's all you've got. Because I don't fit your little strawman liberal pigeonhole, you have to make **** up, then feign innocence when called on it.
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No, that was YOU arguing with everyone else about it. Actually, it's been explained to you several times now that Obama's campaign slogan had meaning which was clearly outlined in his speeches. Sorry if you can't understand that because you are a partisan.

Yes, I posted that, because I'm tired of you.

Please quote where I have "lied." :roll: And YOU are a perfect example of why I stay away from these types of discussions.
 
ChrisL said:
No, that was YOU arguing with everyone else about it. Actually, it's been explained to you several times now that Obama's campaign slogan had meaning which was clearly outlined in his speeches. Sorry if you can't understand that because you are a partisan.

Yes, I posted that, because I'm tired of you.

Please quote where I have "lied." :roll: And YOU are a perfect example of why I stay away from these types of discussions.
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I did quote where you lied. Multiple times. And you continue to lie, and lie, and lie.

Word of advice ... if you're going to lie about what other people said, at least have the common sense to do it in another thread, where people might not go back and look. Or, better advice, stop lying.
 
Kobie said:
I did quote where you lied. Multiple times. And you continue to lie, and lie, and lie.

Word of advice ... if you're going to lie about what other people said, at least have the common sense to do it in another thread, where people might not go back and look. Or, better advice, stop lying.
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Obviously you don't know what "lying" is. Really pathetic dude.

Seriously, you partisans need mental health professional help. This is just completely delusional and shows a total lack of integrity.
 
ChrisL said:
Obviously you don't know what "lying" is. Really pathetic dude.
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So I said Obama should be in the "POTUS hall of fame," or that I "love him." That's a blatant misrepresentation of everything I posted in the thread. In other words, a lie.
 
Kobie said:
So I said Obama should be in the "POTUS hall of fame," or that I "love him." That's a blatant misrepresentation of everything I posted in the thread. In other words, a lie.
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That's my opinion of you. If you don't like it, too bad.

How about, instead of trying to derail the thread with your crap about slogans, you stick to the issues I raised about Obama and the reasons WHY I said he was a bad president.

1. He is divisive as hell. I've never SEEN such division in our country as I see today.
2. He has absolutely no diplomacy at ALL. His foreign policy is just awful.
3. He is arrogant as HELL.
 
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ChrisL said:
That's my opinion of you. If you don't like it, too bad.

How about, instead of trying to derail the thread with your crap about slogans, you stick to the issues I raised about Obama and the reasons WHY I said he was a bad president.

1. He is divisive as hell. I've never SEEN such division in our country as I see today.
2. He has absolutely no diplomacy at ALL. His foreign policy is just awful.
3. He is arrogant as HELL.
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For the time being, I'd rather stick to pointing out how you've misrepresented my posts. Shamelessly.
 
Kobie said:
For the time being, I'd rather stick to pointing out how you've misrepresented my posts. Shamelessly.
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Please, you've done pretty much nothing but behave like a partisan hack with your defense of Obama's campaign promises by making it sound as if they were just "slogans." You are transparent. I certainly hope you don't think you're fooling anyone.
 
ChrisL said:
That's my opinion of you. If you don't like it, too bad.

How about, instead of trying to derail the thread with your crap about slogans, you stick to the issues I raised about Obama and the reasons WHY I said he was a bad president.

1. He is divisive as hell. I've never SEEN such division in our country as I see today.
2. He has absolutely no diplomacy at ALL. His foreign policy is just awful.
3. He is arrogant as HELL.
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1. The Republicans will be divisive about any President who isn't Republican because the (1) the gains they've made for corporate power in the past couple decades are at stake and (2) their continuing existence as a competitive party at the national level is as stake. Every non-Republican President *must* be a failure at any cost if the Republicans or their ideology are to have a future.

2. I would ask for specific examples, but it doesn't matter. Obama's foreign policy has everything to do with the position of the United States, not with Obama personally or whatever ideals he may or may not have. The position of the United States in the free world is pretty much what Obama's position is right now: we can't command respect because the circumstances no longer allow it, there is no longer a single overriding threat to the Western world that can make every country put their differences aside and accept the overarching authority of a single power. Our President has the same problem.

3. All humans are arrogant as hell; wretched and conceited too. The way you've expressed your opinions about our commander-and-chief is arrogant. However, such behaviours have become commonplace.
 
Morality Games said:
1. The Republicans will be divisive about any President who isn't Republican because the (1) the gains they've made for corporate power in the past couple decades are at stake and (2) their continuing existence as a competitive party at the national level is as stake. Every non-Republican President *must* be a failure at any cost if the Republicans or their ideology are to have a future.

2. I would ask for specific examples, but it doesn't matter. Obama's foreign policy has everything to do with the position of the United States, not with Obama personally or whatever ideals he may or may not have. The position of the United States in the free world is pretty much what Obama's position is right now: we can't command respect because the circumstances no longer allow it, there is no longer a single overriding threat to the Western world that can make every country put their differences aside and accept the overarching authority of a single power.

3. All humans are arrogant as hell; wretched and conceited too. The way you've expressed your opinions about our commander-and-chief is arrogant. However, such behaviours have become commonplace.
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1. Other presidents have been able to cross this gap and get things accomplished. No, Obama's own behavior and arrogance plays a role in this as much as the republicans own arrogance.
2. No, this last fiasco with releasing the detainees was done without the approval of Congress, as were several other actions IIRC. Especially this newest event rests squarely on the shoulders of Obama.
3. I've never seen a sitting president display such blatant arrogance towards the opposing party, as well as all who disagree with his idealistic views.
 
Kobie said:
For the time being, I'd rather stick to pointing out how you've misrepresented my posts. Shamelessly.
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Grow up and grow a pair. :roll:
 
I think that with the congress that he has had to work with, yes. He's done admirably. I do however think that this has been the worst congress this country has seen in a long time, and the fact we have not gone completely belly up is a god damn miracle.
 
ChrisL said:
1. Other presidents have been able to cross this gap and get things accomplished. No, Obama's own behavior and arrogance plays a role in this as much as the republicans own arrogance.
2. No, this last fiasco with releasing the detainees was done without the approval of Congress, as were several other actions IIRC. Especially this newest event rests squarely on the shoulders of Obama.
3. I've never seen a sitting president display such blatant arrogance towards the opposing party, as well as all who disagree with his idealistic views.
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I've also never seen an opposition party declare from day 1 their goal was to destroy a sitting, duly elected President by any means at their disposal.
 
Kobie said:
I've also never seen an opposition party declare from day 1 their goal was to destroy a sitting, duly elected President by any means at their disposal.
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Great, now we're getting somewhere. I agree with that too. The republicans have been obstructionists, but I believe it is part of the President's job to quell that, not to add fuel to the fire for the sake of party politics. His foremost concern should be what is best for the country as a WHOLE.
 
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