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Has Obama been a good President?

Has Obama been a good President?


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It was expected that the democrats would try to push through as much as possible when they had the numbers to do so, but by the time the next election came along all that Obama and the democrats really had to show for it was Obamacare. I doubt politicians that push through unpopular laws when they have huge number advantages really think they won't pay for it in the next election and I don't think Obama was any different. Obama might be an asshole, but he's not stupid.

I don't think he did realize it. I mean the Democrats had a 256-178 advantage in the house, sure they knew they would lose some seats, but 63? None of the pundits or professional prognosticators saw 63 seats coming. Around July they were talking 20-30, come September it was 30-40, but only one prognosticator that I can remember ever thought the GOP would pick up more than 50.
 
Everyone else see's it as well.

I was unaware you talked to everyone else. Maybe you should start a poll.

My criticisms of Obama are well established. Perhaps you should pay attention. When I "defend" him, it's against the hackish nonsense about him being a socialist or wanting to destroy America. Not that I have any need to explain myself to you.
 
I was unaware you talked to everyone else. Maybe you should start a poll.

My criticisms of Obama are well established. Perhaps you should pay attention. When I "defend" him, it's against the hackish nonsense about him being a socialist or wanting to destroy America. Not that I have any need to explain myself to you.

Your defense of Obama needs no explaining. Its ok, just own it.
 
Your defense of Obama needs no explaining. Its ok, just own it.

Yay for more lying and misrepresentation. It serves you well. Even when I'm openly criticizing him, as I've done in this very thread, I'm defending him.
 
Every president has had to prove himself so what makes Obama any better that Bush(s) or Clinton?


Not that the congress has anything to do with it?
 
Yay for more lying and misrepresentation. It serves you well. Even when I'm openly criticizing him, as I've done in this very thread, I'm defending him.

enplane kobie, what is your boggle with Bush and not Obama?
 
enplane kobie, what is your boggle with Bush and not Obama?

They're not much different. My biggest issue with Bush was Iraq. My biggest issue with Obama has been surveillance and escalation in Afghanistan.
 
They're not much different. My biggest issue with Bush was Iraq. My biggest issue with Obama has been surveillance and escalation in Afghanistan.

Agreed, except both for the surveillance.
 
Agreed, except both for the surveillance.

Fair enough. I certainly have other criticisms as well as compliments for both Presidents, but those are the issues that stick in my craw the most.
 
By that rationale, if someone didn't like Ike, they could say that Eisenhower violated a campaign promise.

"Hope and Change" is not a campaign promise. Actual campaign promises are promises.

No. You're grasping.

While "hope" is nebulous, "change" is definable and specific.

2008 Barack Obama Convention Speech Transcript - Democratic National Convention Speech Transcripts - Zimbio

From 2008 Barack Obama Convention Speech:
The fundamentals we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great - a promise that is the only reason I am standing here tonight."

"That's the promise we need to keep. That's the change we need right now. So let me spell out exactly what that change would mean if I am president.

Change means a tax code that doesn't reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it.
Call me crazy, but sure sounds like his slogan of change was intended to be taken literally.

"I Like Ike" wasn't about anything he would do, and it especially had no connotation whatsoever with mind control regarding what or who other people like or don't like.
 
No. You're grasping.

While "hope" is nebulous, "change" is definable and specific.


Call me crazy, but sure sounds like his slogan of change was intended to be taken literally.

"I Like Ike" wasn't about anything he would do, and it especially had no connotation whatsoever with mind control regarding what or who other people like or don't like.

Yes, and when Obama starts delving into specifics, those are campaign promises. A bumper sticker slogan is not a promise.
 
Yes, and when Obama starts delving into specifics, those are campaign promises. A bumper sticker slogan is not a promise.
If it says the same thing, it is. They're his words and he specifically used them as a promise. The slogan was approved by him. No disassociation possible.

Another difference between "Hope and Change" and "I Like Ike": Ike never promised or hinted or suggestion that he would make you like him. Obama specifically promised change.
 
If it says the same thing, it is. They're his words and he specifically used them as a promise. The slogan was approved by him. No disassociation possible.

Another difference between "Hope and Change" and "I Like Ike": Ike never promised or hinted or suggestion that he would make you like him. Obama specifically promised change.

Well, I have better things to do than continue to argue about it. Keep yelling at bumper stickers.
 
Well, I have better things to do than continue to argue about it. Keep yelling at bumper stickers.
There's not much that can be said that either of us hasn't already said, but I do have a question: Why can't a campaign slogan be based on a literal promise? What makes a slogan magically excepted from literal meaning?
 
They're not much different. My biggest issue with Bush was Iraq. My biggest issue with Obama has been surveillance and escalation in Afghanistan.

If you haven't noticed Obama has absolutely abused the Patriot Act to spy on civilians and absolutely circumvented the Patriot Act and used the powers that be to spy on our own people - not on suspected terrorist threats but anyone who owns a gun.

Obama is no better than Adolph Hitler with his agenda.

And it doesn't take a republican. liberal, progressive, libertarian etc that if they open their eyes and are aware they will realize they are having their civil liberties abused - especially the right the privacy..... And if I have to file a lawsuit to protect US citizens from being spied on from a day-to-day basis I will,

Obama is a ****ing spy - what his intent is is up for grabs but as a libertarian I am highly concerned - and I highly doubt the ACLU would have any interest in this case basically I'm a libertarian.
 
They're not much different. My biggest issue with Bush was Iraq. My biggest issue with Obama has been surveillance and escalation in Afghanistan.

Now see kobie we agree on things, whoda thunk it huh? See obummer escalated everything Bush did, everything
 
If you haven't noticed Obama has absolutely abused the Patriot Act to spy on civilians and absolutely circumvented the Patriot Act and used the powers that be to spy on our own people - not on suspected terrorist threats but anyone who owns a gun.

Obama is no better than Adolph Hitler with his agenda.

And it doesn't take a republican. liberal, progressive, libertarian etc that if they open their eyes and are aware they will realize they are having their civil liberties abused - especially the right the privacy..... And if I have to file a lawsuit to protect US citizens from being spied on from a day-to-day basis I will,

Obama is a ****ing spy - what his intent is is up for grabs but as a libertarian I am highly concerned - and I highly doubt the ACLU would have any interest in this case basically I'm a libertarian.

shut off your spy on me device really
 
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If you haven't noticed Obama has absolutely abused the Patriot Act to spy on civilians and absolutely circumvented the Patriot Act and used the powers that be to spy on our own people - not on suspected terrorist threats but anyone who owns a gun.

Obama is no better than Adolph Hitler with his agenda.

And it doesn't take a republican. liberal, progressive, libertarian etc that if they open their eyes and are aware they will realize they are having their civil liberties abused - especially the right the privacy..... And if I have to file a lawsuit to protect US citizens from being spied on from a day-to-day basis I will,

Obama is a ****ing spy - what his intent is is up for grabs but as a libertarian I am highly concerned - and I highly doubt the ACLU would have any interest in this case basically I'm a libertarian.

Can you explain...specifically now...how President Obama HIMSELF spies on lil' ol me, just because I own a 9mm?
 
Can you explain...specifically now...how President Obama HIMSELF spies on lil' ol me, just because I own a 9mm?

Because you're a danger to him, and Pelosi and the rest of the elite.

You really think they're not going to take precautions of a mutiny? They're looking to save their own ass,

The better question is to ask why wouldn't they spy on us...

A lot of people believe many are paranoid about the government - what makes you think they're not paranoid about you?

I thin J. Edgar Hoover shows how paranoid our government can be....

Now, I'm not advocating a civilian defense system - My concerns are privacy for all US citizens - at least from the government, because it's only a matter of time before the government is going to want to regulate your child, many mothers question common core and question what is mandatory servitude[ to children...
 
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