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Has Obama been a good President?

Has Obama been a good President?

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radcen said:
Are either of you saying that, because they all do it, Obama is off the hook?

Maybe that's the problem... citizen apathy and lack of accountability.
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Absolutely not what I'm saying. My entire point was that people bring up "Hope and Change" as if THAT'S Obama's biggest problem, that he just didn't live up to the basest of campaign rhetoric.
 
US Conservative said:
Still waiting for your answer-if Hillary says its wrong to call people unamerican for disagreeing with the president, why are you comfortable doing just that?
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1) That's a strawman that doesn't apply to me.

2) I don't care what Hillary says.
 
Amadeus said:
You're incorrect in your premise that every president has to deal with the same level of opposition that Obama does.

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measuring cloture votes is not an accurate way to measure obstructionism...or even the true amount of filibusters.

Cloture votes are called for by the Senate Majority leader... no filibuster need be present to have a cloture vote called.

just saying.


in addition, in the world of political compromise, it takes 2 to tango....
what we often see is Democrats excluding Republican entirely, then whining about Republicans not compromising with them... and yes, we do see Republicans refusing to compromise as well...quite a bit , in fact

there's lots of dancing going on in DC.. .but nobody is interested in the tango;)
 
Kobie said:
Absolutely not what I'm saying. My entire point was that people bring up "Hope and Change" as if THAT'S Obama's biggest problem, that he just didn't live up to the basest of campaign rhetoric.
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Like you (we were writing our previous posts at the same time), I also do not fall for campaign rhetoric, and recognize it as such, but I also believe that we are making a serious error when we dismiss it as just campaign rhetoric and choose to not hold them accountable.

I see nothing wrong with having an attitude of: "Hey, you said 'X', and not only did you not succeed, you didn't even try."
 
radcen said:
Like you (we were writing our previous posts at the same time), I also do not fall for campaign rhetoric, and recognize it as such, but I also believe that we are making a serious error when we dismiss it as just campaign rhetoric and choose to not hold them accountable.

I see nothing wrong with having an attitude of: "Hey, you said 'X', and not only did you not succeed, you didn't even try."
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For specific promises, yes. For campaign slogans, I couldn't care less. Those aren't of any substance -- they're simply marketing, window dressing for the political dog-and-pony show.
 
Kobie said:
Of course he is. That said, I put precisely zero stock in campaign slogans.
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I thought they were campaign promises? :) So, what criteria DO you use when voting if not the things they promise they will do and the things they promise they will change?
 
radcen said:
Are either of you saying that, because they all do it, Obama is off the hook?

Maybe that's the problem... citizen apathy and lack of accountability.
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It seems like we get what we deserve. If we never expect anything better . . . why bother voting at all?
 
pbrauer said:
One problem with Obama was it took him four years to figure out the Republicans would never compromise with him.
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No, it took PPACA being jammed down our throats and then being "modified" by Obama.
 
ChrisL said:
It seems like we get what we deserve. If we never expect anything better . . . why bother voting at all?
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Oh, that's been a mantra of mine for a couple years now. For all the kvetching we do, and for all the blaming of those big bad politicians, it still comes down to us because WE chose these people and let them get away with it.
 
Kobie said:
Of course he is. That said, I put precisely zero stock in campaign slogans.
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Are you kidding me? Is that to say you will vote for whoever the demorats nominate?
 
US Conservative said:
Obama has stated in the past that spreading the wealth around is a good thing. What is that, if not "economically leftist"?

BTW, "watermelon" is a term used to describe eco-marxists...green on the outside, red on the inside. ;)
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When Obama talked about spreading the wealth around to Joe the Plummer, he was talking about jobs.
 
The Obama administration has, thus far, been known chiefly for inconsistency in policy, lackluster and inefficient performance of same, dubious decisions seemingly made on a whim, and a general narcissism and self-interest that will not be viewed kindly by history.


In short, not so good. The administration has NOT been quite as much of a disaster as I originally feared it would be... primarily because it has been so ineffective at doing much of anything at all.
 
ChrisL said:
Sure, but the question is about Obama. ;) I never claimed he was different from any other president, just that he was a disappointment because he promised that he would be different.
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And you believed him? He may have thought he would be different, the most transparent, working with the other side of the aisle etc. etc. etc. But the office seems to shape the man along with the situation and events that transpire while in office. Some are better at coping and adjusting, others are not. Clinton was great at adjusting and adjust he did after the 1994 elections what swept both chambers of congress out from under his feet. I think we all remember him fondly, at least we remember his time as president as better times than now. Obama didn't adjust after 2010, he may have become bitter even that how dare the American voters take his strangle hold on congress away. That lack of adjustment maybe why this thread exists.

whether or not one agrees with his policies, the one thing I dislike the most is the president's habit of always blaming others for whatever arises. The Bergdahl swap being the exception. But this is only my opinion.
 
Perotista said:
And you believed him? He may have thought he would be different, the most transparent, working with the other side of the aisle etc. etc. etc. But the office seems to shape the man along with the situation and events that transpire while in office. Some are better at coping and adjusting, others are not. Clinton was great at adjusting and adjust he did after the 1994 elections what swept both chambers of congress out from under his feet. I think we all remember him fondly, at least we remember his time as president as better times than now. Obama didn't adjust after 2010, he may have become bitter even that how dare the American voters take his strangle hold on congress away. That lack of adjustment maybe why this thread exists.

whether or not one agrees with his policies, the one thing I dislike the most is the president's habit of always blaming others for whatever arises. The Bergdahl swap being the exception. But this is only my opinion.
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Hence my vote that he is not a good president. I have standards. :lol:
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you kidding me? Is that to say you will vote for whoever the demorats nominate?
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Some people do. They always follow strictly along party lines with no deviations and no exceptions. :mrgreen:
 
Perotista said:
And you believed him? He may have thought he would be different, the most transparent, working with the other side of the aisle etc. etc. etc. But the office seems to shape the man along with the situation and events that transpire while in office. Some are better at coping and adjusting, others are not. Clinton was great at adjusting and adjust he did after the 1994 elections what swept both chambers of congress out from under his feet. I think we all remember him fondly, at least we remember his time as president as better times than now. Obama didn't adjust after 2010, he may have become bitter even that how dare the American voters take his strangle hold on congress away. That lack of adjustment maybe why this thread exists.

whether or not one agrees with his policies, the one thing I dislike the most is the president's habit of always blaming others for whatever arises. The Bergdahl swap being the exception. But this is only my opinion.
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Is it important that we ("we", generically overall) believed him, or is it more important whether or not HE believed it?

I believe that he indeed did believe it, and I thought him naive at the time because of it. I believe that my belief of his naivete has since been proven correct.
 
radcen said:
Are either of you saying that, because they all do it, Obama is off the hook?

Maybe that's the problem... citizen apathy and lack of accountability.
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I agree, the people do not hold their president accountable for the promises they make. All their elected leaders for that matter. We vote for candidate A, B or C, then go about our daily business for 2 years or 4 years or 6 years depending on the office and only become interested in what is happening around election time and then we wonder why things are not better and promises were not kept. Yep, you are correct.
 
US Conservative said:
This is whats most remarkable. Unilateral mandates, threats of executive orders, and its the republicans that wont play ball. :doh
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Is this a chicken and egg question?

Which came first? The lack of Rep cooperation, then the Executive Orders? Or, the Executive Orders?
 
US Conservative said:
Its 2014, and we now see the results of over 5 years of the Obama administration. POTUS is not only the executive in chief, he is also the leader of the nation and arguably the free world. His policies, especially if they are signed into law can have profound effects on citizens, as well as people of the world.


Has Obama been a good president to this point?

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Um... let me think... No.
 
ChrisL said:
Hence my vote that he is not a good president. I have standards. :lol:
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We all do, I think. I wouldn't call him a bad president, just below average in my book. But we all rate presidents differently. To some all that matters is the D and the R. Others are more objective. Maybe we expect too much out of a president, perhaps to solve all the problems of the world. No one man can.
 
Anecdotal evidence: Even my Obama-sychphant friends on Facebook have pretty much stopped touting his brilliance and/or stopped defending him.
 
ChrisL said:
I thought they were campaign promises? :) So, what criteria DO you use when voting if not the things they promise they will do and the things they promise they will change?
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"Hope and change" is a campaign slogan, not a campaign promise.
 
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