• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

Should we pay reparations to the African American community?

  • We should pay reparations to the African American communtiy

    Votes: 15 10.6%

  • We should not pay reparations to the African American community

    Votes: 126 89.4%
  • Total voters
    141
Status
Not open for further replies.
Josie said:
What "flame baiting attacks"?
Click to expand...

You know... attacking her with the correct date and Consitutional amendments... massive flame baiting Josie!
 
Moot said:
That's right, my bad for responding to your attempt to derail the thread. I'll try not to do it again.
Click to expand...

:lol: Short term memory issues? What is the real problem?
 
distraff said:
Yes there was, slavery. It is a moral crime.
Click to expand...

Slavery was not a crime... it was legal.

What is a moral crime? Is that like a Thought-Crime conducted by Thought-Criminals that will be arrested by the Thought-Police?
 
Josie said:
Slavery was legal.
Click to expand...

And so was killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Doesn't mean that this wasn't a moral crime. There is a difference between right and legal.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Slavery was not a crime... it was legal.

What is a moral crime? Is that like a Thought-Crime conducted by Thought-Criminals that will be arrested by the Thought-Police?
Click to expand...

I meant something that was morally wrong. Do you think our ancestors should have taken slaves?
 
distraff said:
And so was killing Jews in Nazi Germany. Doesn't mean that this wasn't a moral crime. There is a difference between right and legal.
Click to expand...

Oh, I agree. But "crime" is a legal term.
 
Excon said:
No. There was no crime.
Slavery was legal.

I see your edit.
No such thing as a moral crime.
It is either legal or it is not, which is just morals codified.
And when legal, it wasn't illegal.
Click to expand...

I was using the term like many would refer to the holocaust as a crime against humanity.
 
distraff said:
I meant something that was morally wrong. Do you think our ancestors should have taken slaves?
Click to expand...

It was what was done back in the day... times (and that means morals) change. Arranged marriages were what people did throughout history but we don't in our society because we view it as morally wrong but hundreds of millions of Indians do it as do others around the world. Understanding history as contextual really opens ones eyes... no slight intended.
 
Moot said:
That's right, my bad for responding to your attempt to derail the thread. I'll try not to do it again.
Click to expand...

You dont feel that the white privilege argument has anything to do with possible reparations to blacks? If it doesnt then that would have a huge effect on how much reparations that you are talking about.
 
Josie said:
Oh, I agree. But "crime" is a legal term.
Click to expand...

I was using the term like some would use "crime against humanity." Its just a word that can be used in many different ways.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It was what was done back in the day... times (and that means morals) change. Arranged marriages were what people did throughout history but we don't in our society because we view it as morally wrong but hundreds of millions of Indians do it as do others around the world. Understanding history as contextual really opens ones eyes... no slight intended.
Click to expand...

I think there are actually good cases for and against arranged marriages and in different societies arranged marriages might actually work better. Do you think the same applied to the slavery of African Americans? Just a question.
 
distraff said:
I was using the term like many would refer to the holocaust as a crime against humanity.
Click to expand...
That doesn't change anything.
The Holocaust was criminal activity and thus immoral.
Nor is the comparison valid. Slavery was not an attempt to wipe out an entire race.


Morals change.

Slavery in many forms had been legal and in effect for at least 1800 years. It was only after the morals of enough folks in the Western world changed that the legal status of slavery was changed.

So again. At the time it was in effect, slavery was legal and not criminal.
 
Who according the the arguments presented here don't we owe reparations to? That might be the easier task.
 
distraff said:
I think there are actually good cases for and against arranged marriages and in different societies arranged marriages might actually work better. Do you think the same applied to the slavery of African Americans? Just a question.
Click to expand...

Some arranged marriages were slavery and in those instances yes, the same applied. That is not the point though... the point is that times change and morals change with them.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
If want care about the nation`s honor, you pay for the reparations.
Click to expand...

I think your statement says a great deal about you. One of us cares about our national honor, and one doesn't.

That's sadly funny, and something I see time and time again - the Right cares SO much about patriotism, the flag, and so forth...but when it comes to that particular concept that is so crucial to real honor - "noblesse oblige" - all I hear are crickets.

In case you're unfamiliar with the term:

The Dictionnaire de l’Académie française defines it thus:

Whoever claims to be noble must conduct himself nobly.
(Figuratively) One must act in a fashion that conforms to one's position, and with the reputation that one has earned.
The Oxford English Dictionary meanwhile says that the term "suggests noble ancestry constrains to honorable behavior; privilege entails to responsibility."

You must EARN your honor, "American Spartan". Do you really think that "honor" doesn't include the obligation to do the right thing even when it costs you extra time, money, effort, and even blood? If you aren't willing to go that extra mile, exude that extra sweat, and pay that extra dollar to show that yeah, you are determined to EARN your honor...then you have no honor.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
So securing the border, insuring the preservation of our way of life and Liberty, insure that the sacrifices of our forefathers were not in vain, that is not a matter of honor, but paying money to people that have not suffered is?

This is leftism.
Click to expand...

If we were not securing our borders against other nations determined to invade and take over America, you might have a point. But America's the most secure nation in the world, and so you don't have point.
 
I wish people would stop making anonymous polls so we could tell the few who voted YES that they are free to pay reparations to say the NAACP or CORE
 
Glen Contrarian said:
If we were not securing our borders against other nations determined to invade and take over America, you might have a point. But America's the most secure nation in the world, and so you don't have point.
Click to expand...

No, it is not we have millions of people walking across the border, the fact you believe other wise proves how out of touch leftist really are with reality.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I think your statement says a great deal about you. One of us cares about our national honor, and one doesn't.
Click to expand...

So you can question the patriotism and honor of others but no one can for you? Classic double standards.


That's sadly funny, and something I see time and time again - the Right cares SO much about patriotism, the flag, and so forth...but when it comes to that particular concept that is so crucial to real honor - "noblesse oblige" - all I hear are crickets.
Click to expand...


In case you're unfamiliar with the term:

The Dictionnaire de l’Académie française defines it thus:

Whoever claims to be noble must conduct himself nobly.
(Figuratively) One must act in a fashion that conforms to one's position, and with the reputation that one has earned.
The Oxford English Dictionary meanwhile says that the term "suggests noble ancestry constrains to honorable behavior; privilege entails to responsibility."


You must EARN your honor, "American Spartan". Do you really think that "honor" doesn't include the obligation to do the right thing even when it costs you extra time, money, effort, and even blood? If you aren't willing to go that extra mile, exude that extra sweat, and pay that extra dollar to show that yeah, you are determined to EARN your honor...then you have no honor.[/QUOTE]

This is nothing honorable about being robbed. It is not right to having your wealth stolen in the name of some feel good idea, if you care so much YOU PAY.

I have honor, and value the appraise of my countrymen, not the whine and words people trying to justify theft.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Some arranged marriages were slavery and in those instances yes, the same applied. That is not the point though... the point is that times change and morals change with them.
Click to expand...

Yes ideas of right and wrong to change over time. That is correct. But some morals are better than others. Sometimes it does depend on the time and the society but there are a lot of constants as well.
 
distraff said:
Yes ideas of right and wrong to change over time. That is correct. But some morals are better than others. Sometimes it does depend on the time and the society but there are a lot of constants as well.
Click to expand...

I agree with that and since I have forgotten the core of our debate I will just leave it at that... :)
 
radcen said:
I wonder if Rachel Dolezal would take the money if she had never been outed. Hmmm...
Click to expand...

ah the Elizabeth Warren of the NAACP? LOL good point
 
AmericanSpartan said:
So you can question the patriotism and honor of others but no one can for you? Classic double standards.





In case you're unfamiliar with the term:

The Dictionnaire de l’Académie française defines it thus:

Whoever claims to be noble must conduct himself nobly.
(Figuratively) One must act in a fashion that conforms to one's position, and with the reputation that one has earned.
The Oxford English Dictionary meanwhile says that the term "suggests noble ancestry constrains to honorable behavior; privilege entails to responsibility."


You must EARN your honor, "American Spartan". Do you really think that "honor" doesn't include the obligation to do the right thing even when it costs you extra time, money, effort, and even blood? If you aren't willing to go that extra mile, exude that extra sweat, and pay that extra dollar to show that yeah, you are determined to EARN your honor...then you have no honor.
Click to expand...

This is nothing honorable about being robbed. It is not right to having your wealth stolen in the name of some feel good idea, if you care so much YOU PAY.

I have honor, and value the appraise of my countrymen, not the whine and words people trying to justify theft.[/QUOTE]

Note - you really need to work on how you quote previous replies. Go back and read your post and you'll see what I mean.

Do you really have honor? If you think you're being robbed by having to pay taxes, then if you do still somehow have honor, it's weakened by ignorance...or haven't you heard of the old saying, "Nothing is sure but death and taxes"? And higher taxes, sir, are the admission price one must pay to live in a first-world democracy. If you don't want to pay high taxes, then most third-world democracies out there would be perfect for you. Otherwise...pay up, and learn to count your blessings. Not for naught did Cicero say, "Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others." Truer words were never spoken.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
No, it is not we have millions of people walking across the border, the fact you believe other wise proves how out of touch leftist really are with reality.
Click to expand...

The guy says "we have millions of people walking across the border" to support his apparent contention that America's not the most secure nation in the world...and THEN complains "how out of touch leftist{sic} are with reality."

The irony is beyond description.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom