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Do you believe that America should pay reparations to African Americans?

Should we pay reparations to the African American community?

  • We should pay reparations to the African American communtiy

    Votes: 15 10.6%

  • We should not pay reparations to the African American community

    Votes: 126 89.4%
  • Total voters
    141
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Excon said:
Again Moot. They didn't earn anything.
D'oh! A concept that wasn't in effect while they were slaves.
In other words, it doesn't apply here.
No, the country benefited from the product of those who were able to purchase folks to work for them.
No Moot, that is a dishonest statement.
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No, Excon...all your statements are dishonest.
 
Moot said:
No, Excon...all your statements are dishonest.
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No Moot I have said nothing dishonest, but you did.
And your deflection is just further dishonesty.

Again.
Excon said:
Moot said:
They earned it with their labor, so why wouldn't they be owed back pay?
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Again Moot. They didn't earn anything.


Moot said:
It was involuntary servitude....not sure why this is a difficult concept, either.

"Involuntary servitude is a United States legal and constitutional term for a person laboring against that person's will to benefit another, under some form of coercion other than the worker's financial needs."​
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D'oh!

A concept that wasn't in effect while they were slaves.
In other words, it doesn't apply here.


Moot said:
That's a good list. Along with corporations, the entire country benefitted from slavery whether they owned slaves or not IE: cotton picked by slaves in the south kept the mills and factories in the north operating and white immigrants employed.
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No, the country benefited from the product of those who were able to purchase folks to work for them.


Moot said:
Slavery was supposed to end by 1808 - 1810 of its own accord ...
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No Moot, that is a dishonest statement.
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Try answering this time instead of dishonestly deflecting with dishonesty.
 
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Moot said:
Looking at historical documents is what historians and academics, do. They can determine an average time and labor spent to determine an average wage the slaves should've received to determine an average of what their descendants should get. Yes, really.

Most African Americans never had inherited wealth like the white middle class did and they didn't earn enough to pay into the general fund. Until 1960 they weren't even allowed to own a business ...or vote.

"African-Americans, before the 1960s, first by law and then by custom, were not really allowed to own businesses. They had very little access to credit. There was a very low artificial ceiling on the wealth that could be accumulated. Hence there was very little, if anything, that could be passed along to help their children get to college, to help their children buy their first homes, or as an inheritance when they die," said Shapiro....​
A $95,000 question: why are whites five times richer than blacks in the US? | World news | The Guardian

"..Wealth passes down from generation to generation. The main reason African Americans are currently worse off than whites, according to Shapiro, is that today's African Americans inherited less wealth from their parents than today's whites did. It is not hard to see why: The generation of African Americans now passed away accumulated less wealth because discrimination in their day kept most of them poor and denied them opportunities other Americans enjoyed.

The disparity in wealth not only persists, it mushrooms. Without a cushion of inherited wealth, emergencies hit harder, and people who have no nest egg have to let opportunities pass by. Because of the wealth deficit, African Americans find themselves more vulnerable to shocks and less able to capitalize on breaks than whites with the same income. So the next generation will inherit less, too. The wealth gap will not close anytime soon...."​
RACE - The Power of an Illusion . Background Readings | PBS

The racial wealth gap we hardly talk about: What happens in retirement - The Washington Post
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What in the HELL? Blacks could and DID own businesses prior to 1960 and they have been able to vote since 1870 when the 15th Amendment was ratified.

The difference between reading and comprehending primary source documents and reporter error is amazing...
 
Moot said:
It was called the 'great compromise' and can found in first four Articles of the Constitution. The Constitution was ratified in 1788. Slavery was supposed to end by 1808 - 1810 of its own accord and when it didn't, the country had to go to war to end it. Slavery was only legal in the belligerent southern states but the rest of the country still benefitted from it through exports and trade.


The Thirteenth Amendment: Slavery and the Constitution
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I already proved you wrong about your 1808 argument.
 
Moot said:
Apparently, there's some controversy among Native Americans who qualifies as authentic native Americans. So I doubt they would accept your third or fourth generation removed ancestor as authentic native American especially if she married a person of another race or tribe. Blacks didn't that have that luxury to marry outside their own race.
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Moot said:
No, I'm just telling you that it's the Native Americans themselves who decide who is an authentic descendant. So if they don't believe you then that's your problem, not mine or the rest of the country. If you had kept current on native American issues you would've known that...but you've shown that you really are too far removed to care about them or their issues.
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Wrong. Biology proves who is an authentic descendent. Biology with regards to DNA and DNA is factual and irrefutable... I swear, your arguments are getting more and more stupid...
 
Josie said:
That makes no sense with what I said. My comment was about when African Americans were given the right to vote through the Constitution. It was 1869, not the 1960s as you said.
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I replied to your comment about the fifteenth amendment and it made more sense than anything you've posted. I'm really not interested in having a bitch fest with you and that seems to be the direction you want to go...so I'm going to say adieu cuz I got better things to do. So Adieu. :peace
 
Moot said:
I replied to your comment about the fifteenth amendment and it made more sense than anything you've posted. I'm really not interested in having a bitch fest with you and that seems to be the direction you want to go...so I'm going to say adieu cuz I got better things to do. So Adieu. :peace
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She is hitting you with a few facts and you call that bitching? :lol:

With the amount of facts that I have hit you with I bet you consider me a raging asshole, huh?
 
Moot said:
I replied to your comment about the fifteenth amendment and it made more sense than anything you've posted. I'm really not interested in having a bitch fest with you and that seems to be the direction you want to go...so I'm going to say adieu cuz I got better things to do. So Adieu. :peace
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No, you're saying adieu because you realize you're out of your league in this conversation. Ta ta.
 
Moot said:
I replied to your comment about the fifteenth amendment and it made more sense than anything you've posted. I'm really not interested in having a bitch fest with you and that seems to be the direction you want to go...so I'm going to say adieu cuz I got better things to do. So Adieu. :peace
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In other words you got called on your made up BS and rather than admit you made several obvious mistakes like an adult you are going to run away.
I have noticed you seem to do this quite often.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Te-Nehisi Coates' recent article in The Atlantic has raised a few eyebrows, and showed me just how much I did not know concerning how America and America's government has oppressed the African American community in the past...and even to the modern day.

Coates points out that reparations isn't a matter of "we can't afford it" or "how do we determine who gets paid how much", but a matter of right and wrong. America - and America's government - committed great wrongs against the African American community over many generations, including within my own lifetime.

I was raised to believe that if I did somebody wrong, I should apologize sincerely...and I should do my level best to make it up to those I wronged. I was taught that a refusal to make up for what I have done to others is not just wrong, but dishonorable.

It is for this reason that I agree that we as a nation should pay reparations to the African American community - because it is a matter of right and wrong, a matter of our national honor.
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So securing the border, insuring the preservation of our way of life and Liberty, insure that the sacrifices of our forefathers were not in vain, that is not a matter of honor, but paying money to people that have not suffered is?

This is leftism.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Could you be more specific about what privilege that you think that I have personally. And what exactly someone could take away from me?
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I didn't bring up white priviledge, you did. So if you're that interested you can research it out yourself and make a new thread and tell us all about it.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Te-Nehisi Coates' recent article in The Atlantic has raised a few eyebrows, and showed me just how much I did not know concerning how America and America's government has oppressed the African American community in the past...and even to the modern day.

Coates points out that reparations isn't a matter of "we can't afford it" or "how do we determine who gets paid how much", but a matter of right and wrong. America - and America's government - committed great wrongs against the African American community over many generations, including within my own lifetime.

I was raised to believe that if I did somebody wrong, I should apologize sincerely...and I should do my level best to make it up to those I wronged. I was taught that a refusal to make up for what I have done to others is not just wrong, but dishonorable.

It is for this reason that I agree that we as a nation should pay reparations to the African American community - because it is a matter of right and wrong, a matter of our national honor.
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If want care about the nation`s honor, you pay for the reparations.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Te-Nehisi Coates' recent article in The Atlantic has raised a few eyebrows, and showed me just how much I did not know concerning how America and America's government has oppressed the African American community in the past...and even to the modern day.

Coates points out that reparations isn't a matter of "we can't afford it" or "how do we determine who gets paid how much", but a matter of right and wrong. America - and America's government - committed great wrongs against the African American community over many generations, including within my own lifetime.

I was raised to believe that if I did somebody wrong, I should apologize sincerely...and I should do my level best to make it up to those I wronged. I was taught that a refusal to make up for what I have done to others is not just wrong, but dishonorable.

It is for this reason that I agree that we as a nation should pay reparations to the African American community - because it is a matter of right and wrong, a matter of our national honor.
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Why should the government force me to give part of my paycheck as a fine to a black person because my distant ancestors enslaved his distant ancestors? The crime was not committed by me why should I pay for what other people did?

Should Spain pay reparations to hispanic countries for what they did to them? What about Europe? Should Europe pay reparations for enslaving the rest of the world? Should the UK pay the US for the revolutionary war? Should Jack the Ripper's descendants pay the descendants of his victims? Should Germans pay the Jews for what they did to them? Should the Iraqis pay the Kuwaitis for attacking them? Sh** happened to them in the past, and everybody did something bad to somebody else in the past. Today we just need to forgive and forget.
 
Josie said:
No, you're saying adieu because you realize you're out of your league in this conversation. Ta ta.
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I'm saying adieu because the flame baiting insults by you and others is starting to get out of hand and I don't want anything to do with it. So yeah, ta ta pip pip cheerio and all that rot.
 
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Moot said:
I'm saying adieu because the flame baiting attacks by you and others is starting to get out of hand and I don't want anything to do with it. So yeah, ta ta pip pip cheerio and all that rot.
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What "flame baiting attacks"?
 
Moot said:
I didn't bring up white priviledge, you did. So if you're that interested you can research it out yourself and make a new thread and tell us all about it.
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No, you said that I could keep my privilege. I want to know what you were talking about? Then you said that i had to share some of that privilege. I want to know what the hell that you are talking about? You responded to me, I didnt quote you to start out with.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
No, you said that I could keep my privilege. I want to know what you were talking about? Then you said that i had to share some of that privilege. I want to know what the hell that you are talking about? You responded to me, I didnt quote you to start out with.
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That's right, my bad for responding to your attempt to derail the thread. I'll try not to do it again.
 
distraff said:
Yes there was, slavery.
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No. There was no crime.
Slavery was legal.

I see your edit.
No such thing as a moral crime.
It is either legal or it is not, which is just morals codified.
And when legal, it wasn't illegal.
 
Moot said:
That's right, my bad for responding to your attempt to derail the thread. I'll try not to do it again.
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How about you tell us more about how African Americans were not allowed to vote or own businesses until 1960.
 
braindrain said:
How about you tell us more about how African Americans were not allowed to vote or own businesses until 1960.
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A literal :lol: moment for me... I made a farting sound with my lips trying not to be too loud too, which of course drew attention from others. :lol:
 
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