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Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

Is this Child cruelty or just good discipline?


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Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment

Police arrested a Douglasville father on child cruelty charges after the man punished his 16-year-old son by making him carry a 23-pound landscape stone for several miles.Charlie Mayes, a 40-year-old military veteran with no criminal record, told police he used military-style punishment because his son watched too many videos and didn't do his chores and school work. Douglasville Police charged Mayes with first-degree child cruelty.

 
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Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?

I noticed you left out this part:

"This was done multiple times over a three-day period, sometimes as early as 3 o'clock in the morning," Police Sgt. Todd Garner told 11Alive on Tuesday.

Garner said the boy, who is only 4'2" tall, was also punished in-between the 3-mile hikes.

"In between that time, he was at home having to move rocks and stuff from one side of the back yard to the other and then being taken right back out to the same location and dropped off and made to walk back again," Sgt. Garner added.

The boy's trek would begin on Kings Highway and end at the family's home in the Fairways subdivision.

Sorry, but yes, that is child abuse.
 
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Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment


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I read the article. My dad made me and my bothers and sisters do the same bloody things. Unless there is something else here, the police have grossly overstepped their bounds. The arrest was completely unwarranted. $3500 bond??? Family counseling???? What a bunch of horse****.
 
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I noticed you left out this part:



Sorry, but yes, that is child abuse.

Not even remotely.
 
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Yeah, that's too much. He should just resort to public humiliation like that one time in Florida.
 
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Then quite a few of my generation were abused as children. Dr Spock really did screw this nation over for generations to come. :mrgreen:
 
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I noticed you left out this part:

We are not supposed to quote an entire story, that runs into copyright issues beyond 'fair use'.

I don't care if it was multiple days or what time it happened. To me more 'old school' punishment would solve a lot of problems we have in society.

Since you think it is 'abuse', which is above even 'cruelty', can you explain what makes it such, and perhaps what you would find to be 'acceptable' punishment?
 
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I read the article. My dad made me and my bothers and sisters do the same bloody things. Unless there is something else here, the police have grossly overstepped their bounds. The arrest was completely unwarranted. $3500 bond??? Family counseling???? What a bunch of horse****.


I thought the same thing. It doesn't sound too different from some of the punishments we got as kids.
 
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Not even remotely.

You're free to that opinion, luckily the police think otherwise.
 
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We are not supposed to quote an entire story, that runs into copyright issues beyond 'fair use'.

I don't care if it was multiple days or what time it happened. To me more 'old school' punishment would solve a lot of problems we have in society.

Since you think it is 'abuse', which is above even 'cruelty', can you explain what makes it such, and perhaps what you would find to be 'acceptable' punishment?

There are many punishments that can be done that don't involve physical punishments like this. Grounding, extra chores, etc.

Luckily the police diagree with YOU.
 
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You're free to that opinion, luckily the police think otherwise.

The police are wrong. I hope it goes to trial. I highly doubt the charge sticks, especially with a jury.
 
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The police are wrong. I hope it goes to trial. I highly doubt the charge sticks, especially with a jury.

Good luck, glad you are emotional attached to this.
 
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There are many punishments that can be done that don't involve physical punishments like this. Grounding, extra chores, etc.

Luckily the police diagree with YOU.

Punishing someone who doesn't do their chores with...extra chores. Makes complete sense.
 
Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

We are not supposed to quote an entire story, that runs into copyright issues beyond 'fair use'.

I don't care if it was multiple days or what time it happened. To me more 'old school' punishment would solve a lot of problems we have in society.

Since you think it is 'abuse', which is above even 'cruelty', can you explain what makes it such, and perhaps what you would find to be 'acceptable' punishment?

Understood, but next time at least warn us that it's one of those asshole sites that starts the video up at full volume commercial first with no sound controls available. :mrgreen:
 
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I personally think it's a little excessive for what the kid did but there isn't much information except the kid was watching too many videos and not doing homework or chores. No word on whether any of the devices playing the videos were taken away or if the father had first done other disciplinary actions so it's hard to say whether this was the result of the kid breaking the rules repeatedly or not.
 
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Not to mention, some punishments work with some children and not at all with others. Parents are generally clued into this for their own children.
 
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Good luck, glad you are emotional attached to this.

In my county the police would be dropping the charges with in day, that is if they were that stupid enough to arrest the man in the first place. If it EVER got to trial, the jury would toss it so fast it would make the stupid prosecutors head spin. We have dumb prosecutors but I doubt they are this dumb. This all presumes the judge doesn't toss it themselves.

Your right I do have an emotional attachment. This is a bull**** charge though and through. This family is now being tortured by CPS and the judicial system. That's cruel and unusual punishment, for a nonexistent crime.
 
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Not to mention, some punishments work with some children and not at all with others. Parents are generally clued into this for their own children.

Obviously not. We still have a lot of "California style" parents whose kids are public nuisances because time-outs don't work, and they're all out of ideas.
 
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I haven't yet seen any indication the child was physically harmed by this. In fact, it sounds like what we used to do daily for fun on our own as kids (we used to build the most amazing forts).
 
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Grounding, extra chores, etc.

Let's see, the kid wasn't doing his chores, so give him extra chores? Got anything stronger than that?
 
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Understood, but next time at least warn us that it's one of those asshole sites that starts the video up at full volume commercial first with no sound controls available. :mrgreen:

I hate those sites. It didn't do that to me. Didn't play the video at all.
 
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Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


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I haven't done anything like this to my boys... because I didn't have to. My father beat the **** out of me. Put me in the hospital numerous times and there were a lot of times my mother couldn't take to the ER when I should have gone because he wouldn't let her.

I know what child abuse is, and I know what child cruelty is. THIS AIN'T IT.

My father also made me use a mortar hammer to clean thousands of bricks that were taken from the foundation of our house so they could be used again on the addition he was building. It was done to teach me a lesson in hard work, personal responsibility and taking pride in your work, no matter what it is or how menial it may be - and it worked - finally. Before I learned my lesson, I kept breaking the wooden handle so I could stop. He finally welded a metal handle on the thing so I couldn't break it. That wasn't child cruelty or abuse like the other actions he took against me... It was parenting.

I know that I would not have gone quite as far as this guy did, but I can understand why he did, and it doesn't seem the kid was injured in any way, except for his poor little feelings and some tired and sore muscles.

I don't understand how we as a society can complain about the young people not being responsible citizens or caring about much of anything when their parents are the ones that let them get away with anything and everything, yet we criminalize an act taken by a guy to try and teach his kid that there are consequences for not doing what you should do as a member of society and a responsible person that takes pride in your own accomplishments. This guy used military reinforcement, but not in the way that the term military makes it sound.

I'm sure that he was tough on the kid - that was his choice and only he can decide what was needed for his child. I'm sure there are a lot of people that think he went overboard (I'm one of them in a way). But, there are also people that think that this type of parental discipline should be criminalized when there is no harm done to the child other than making him tired and those people are the ones that are doing harm to society as a whole for the sake of political correctness.

That he did it over a three day period, to me, is like my father welding a metal handle to the mortar hammer - it took that to get me, and probably this kid to get the message.

Get mad at me if you want, but I think that if more parents cared enough about their kids to do whatever it takes short of harming them to help them grow into responsible adults with tough but fair discipline and reinforcing that, we wouldn't have the problems we see in our schools or in the streets or young people that cannot qualify for a job or even want a job because they feel it's below them... or most of all... kids killing kids over tennis shoes, for example.

Now - you can jump on me and tell me how stupid I am. I can take it.
 
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Punishing someone who doesn't do their chores with...extra chores. Makes complete sense.

They were able to get him to do this, so obviously they can do more chores. Glad the police stepped in.
 
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I noticed you left out this part:



Sorry, but yes, that is child abuse.

LMAO!!

Sounds like basic training and ground combat school to me except that they left out the PT.
 
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23lbs? Big whoop. But in the soft assed PC world, hang the father. Ruin his life, take his benefits and kick him to the curb.
 
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