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Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment [W:59]

Is this Child cruelty or just good discipline?


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They were able to get him to do this, so obviously they can do more chores. Glad the police stepped in.

Oh, yes. The police, they can fix everything in our world. Long arm of the government.
 
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They were able to get him to do this, so obviously they can do more chores. Glad the police stepped in.

They probably also used something a little stronger than "pretty please". If he could do the extra chores with a little muscle thrown his way, stands to reason that the kid could've done the original amount of chores.

It sounds like the dad probably cut the kid some slack, but he tried to take a mile with the inch given, and the dad went zero-tolerance on his ass. I hope that the dad understands now that consistency is the key ingredient to child-rearing.
 
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LMAO!!

Sounds like basic training and ground combat school to me except that they left out the PT.

That's great if the kid were an adult. But he wasn't.

Hey I got an idea, I got gassed in Basic, let's go gas our children too, I mean, what's the harm right? :roll:
 
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Oh, yes. The police, they can fix everything in our world. Long arm of the government.

Long arm of the government is now the police? :lamo

Hyperbole much? Go spread that bull**** elsewhere.
 
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23lbs? Big whoop. But in the soft assed PC world, hang the father. Ruin his life, take his benefits and kick him to the curb.

Awwww daddy can't take the punishment?
 
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Long arm of the government is now the police? :lamo

Hyperbole much? Go spread that bull**** elsewhere.

Go raise sissies somewhere else.
 
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Go raise sissies somewhere else.

I'll stay here, you're free to leave anytime you want. Don't like it, go pound sand. Good on the police.
 
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I can't label it as "child cruelty" because I've seen real child cruelty as have the rest of you.

I've also had people tell me softly paddling a child's behind is cruelty. I think cruelty is a word that is best used when it's really cruelty.
 
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I noticed you left out this part:



Sorry, but yes, that is child abuse.

I had to get up at 4 AM all the time as a kid to shovel the driveway before my dad left for work. Is that child abuse too?
 
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I read the article. My dad made me and my bothers and sisters do the same bloody things. Unless there is something else here, the police have grossly overstepped their bounds. The arrest was completely unwarranted. $3500 bond??? Family counseling???? What a bunch of horse****.

No kidding.

At 16 I had a tendency to come home from "the movies" totally wasted and at 3am. Pop never said a word but he'd make sure I was up at 6am, had a greasy breakfast and was at some job site by 7am lugging block, cleaning up demo, mixing mud by hand, digging trenches, you name it and I was doing it all day long.
 
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I'll stay here, you're free to leave anytime you want. Don't like it, go pound sand. Good on the police.

Right and you are a "libertarian", sure.
 
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I haven't done anything like this to my boys... because I didn't have to. My father beat the **** out of me. Put me in the hospital numerous times and there were a lot of times my mother couldn't take to the ER when I should have gone because he wouldn't let her.

I know what child abuse is, and I know what child cruelty is. THIS AIN'T IT.

My father also made me use a mortar hammer to clean thousands of bricks that were taken from the foundation of our house so they could be used again on the addition he was building. It was done to teach me a lesson in hard work, personal responsibility and taking pride in your work, no matter what it is or how menial it may be - and it worked - finally. Before I learned my lesson, I kept breaking the wooden handle so I could stop. He finally welded a metal handle on the thing so I couldn't break it. That wasn't child cruelty or abuse like the other actions he took against me... It was parenting.

I know that I would not have gone quite as far as this guy did, but I can understand why he did, and it doesn't seem the kid was injured in any way, except for his poor little feelings and some tired and sore muscles.

I don't understand how we as a society can complain about the young people not being responsible citizens or caring about much of anything when their parents are the ones that let them get away with anything and everything, yet we criminalize an act taken by a guy to try and teach his kid that there are consequences for not doing what you should do as a member of society and a responsible person that takes pride in your own accomplishments. This guy used military reinforcement, but not in the way that the term military makes it sound.

I'm sure that he was tough on the kid - that was his choice and only he can decide what was needed for his child. I'm sure there are a lot of people that think he went overboard (I'm one of them in a way). But, there are also people that think that this type of parental discipline should be criminalized when there is no harm done to the child other than making him tired and those people are the ones that are doing harm to society as a whole for the sake of political correctness.

That he did it over a three day period, to me, is like my father welding a metal handle to the mortar hammer - it took that to get me, and probably this kid to get the message.

Get mad at me if you want, but I think that if more parents cared enough about their kids to do whatever it takes short of harming them to help them grow into responsible adults with tough but fair discipline and reinforcing that, we wouldn't have the problems we see in our schools or in the streets or young people that cannot qualify for a job or even want a job because they feel it's below them... or most of all... kids killing kids over tennis shoes, for example.

Now - you can jump on me and tell me how stupid I am. I can take it.

Well said, my little mutt friend.:2wave:

I am truly sorry about what happened to you but it's a testament to you that you grew up to be a fine man.
 
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LMAO!! Sounds like basic training and ground combat school to me except that they left out the PT.

What is 'ground combat school'?

I did Advanced Infantry Training at Ft. Puke back in the day, we did crawl, walk, run to get into shape for the 12 mile road march under ruck. Course we weren't 16 either.

While I never was sent to CCF, I did have a private go there... sounds far more like CCF than 'ground combat school'.

Some others tell tales of what their Daddy did to them and think if the action doesn't rise to their abuse it isn't abuse. My dad (step dad) punched me a few times, once hard enough it knocked me out. I don't hold a grudge but I also don't think a parent should do that as it is abuse.

my thought on dickhead dad... soldiers enlist for such treatment and without approval of an Officer this sort of 'remedial' training wouldn't be dealt out. There is a difference between a minor and an adult.
 
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That's great if the kid were an adult. But he wasn't.

Hey I got an idea, I got gassed in Basic, let's go gas our children too, I mean, what's the harm right? :roll:

Well, it does teach a person to make sure they have a good seal on their mask.
 
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That father went too far.
 
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Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


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Personally, I don't believe the punishment is productive, but that's just me. Secondly, I see it's now called "child cruelty" - what happened to child abuse? Basically, from where I come from, it impossible to raise a respectful, responsible, decent child without being "cruel" to them in many ways. But that's not abuse. I agree with Gipper, judges who make those convicted of crimes stand on corners with signs announcing their crimes and subjecting them to ridicule from complete strangers are far more "cruel" than this man. And considering the state of "fatherless" children in black communities in America, I'd be on the street corner giving this caring father a medal for trying to teach his son responsibility.

I have a feeling this charge will be dropped by the district attorney involved - there is no chance of a conviction and it just makes them look foolish to pursue it.
 
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I don't know that it's a particularly effective punishment but I don't see anything that leads me to believe it was abuse.

It's nice to see a black father involved in his child's life too.
 
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Child cruelty or just some good old fashioned discipline?? If you think the former, what 'punishment' do you approve of?


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I think this is a little ridiculous for the father to be charged.

It's situational, as far as should the police have warned the father, not to repeat this kind of discipline. In the sense that if the child was a wimpy, small boy who's arms literally cramped from carrying the stone, or was he a strapping 6' 180lb+ school wrestler, football player that carrying the rock was a breeze?

I saw a Dean spank a school bully (big boy) in Jr High, and the kid literally laughed as he walked out the office.
 
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What is 'ground combat school'?

I did Advanced Infantry Training at Ft. Puke back in the day, we did crawl, walk, run to get into shape for the 12 mile road march under ruck. Course we weren't 16 either.

While I never was sent to CCF, I did have a private go there... sounds far more like CCF than 'ground combat school'.

Some others tell tales of what their Daddy did to them and think if the action doesn't rise to their abuse it isn't abuse. My dad (step dad) punched me a few times, once hard enough it knocked me out. I don't hold a grudge but I also don't think a parent should do that as it is abuse.

my thought on dickhead dad... soldiers enlist for such treatment and without approval of an Officer this sort of 'remedial' training wouldn't be dealt out. There is a difference between a minor and an adult.

It was actually called Air Base Ground Defense school but I figured that most folks wouldn't know what ABGD stood for.
 
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I had to get up at 4 AM all the time as a kid to shovel the driveway before my dad left for work. Is that child abuse too?

I bet you had to wrestle a bear for your schoolbooks too.
 
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Right and you are a "libertarian", sure.

This coming from a Con that hides behind other as his lean. Spare me your diatribe.
 
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That's great if the kid were an adult. But he wasn't.

Hey I got an idea, I got gassed in Basic, let's go gas our children too, I mean, what's the harm right? :roll:

Talk about hyperbole. But hey, I guess you would just call the police on dad.
 
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Never hid behind anyone, liar.

I can see my comment went right over your head Con. But then again I'm not surprised.
 
Re: Father faces child cruelty charges for teen's punishment..

Child Abuse Laws

By Georgia Law, child abuse includes the following acts:

Physical injury or death inflicted upon a child by a parent or caretaker thereof, by other than accidental means; provided, however, physical forms of discipline may be used as long as there is not physical injury to the child.
Neglect or exploitation of a child by a parent or caretaker thereof.
Sexual abuse or sexual exploitation of a child.
No child, who in good faith is being treated solely by spiritual means through prayer in accordance with the tenets and practices of a recognized church or religious denomination by a duly accredited practitioner thereof shall, for that reason alone, by considered to be an “abused” child.

Nowhere in that story did I here anything about the kid being physically injured, it sounds like he was punished in a way the father AND mother thought was appropriate. I don't see any issue here other than the police overstepping their boundaries. That being said, the article isn't very information so this is based on limited information.
 
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