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Would you vote to take the Clippers from Donald Sterling?

Donald Sterling must sell his NBA team

  • Total voters
    56
  • Poll closed .
tres borrachos said:
I already said why.
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You said it was because "it is his private property".......but it is not "private property" with exclusive rights, allowing the damaging of the brand without consequence. If you think a brand can flourish with owners spouting racist comments or damaging the brand in other ways (and this isn't the first issue with DS), you just don't understand a business like the NBA.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You said it was because "it is his private property".......but it is not "private property" with exclusive rights, allowing the damaging of the brand without consequence. If you think a brand can flourish with owners spouting racist comments or damaging the brand in other ways (and this isn't the first issue with DS), you just don't understand a business like the NBA.
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He paid for the franchise. It's his property. I don't believe in collectively forcing someone to sell what he paid for.

It has nothing to do with what the NBA owners think. The question was about how I would vote. I answered the poll question.

There are many others in the thread that agree with my thinking. Is there any particular reason you're more interested in why *I* feel that way than why the others do?
 
tres borrachos said:
He paid for the franchise. It's his property. I don't believe in collectively forcing someone to sell what he paid for.
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So then an owner can do anything, can damage the brand in real terms.....and the franchisees should not, cannot, strip that franchisee of his/her rights?

It has nothing to do with what the NBA owners think. The question was about how I would vote. I answered the poll question.
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You are being put into the shoes of other owners, you are being asked what you would do in this circumstance.....because their vote is what matters.

There are many others in the thread that agree with my thinking. Is there any particular reason you're more interested in why *I* feel that way than why the others do?
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I can ask anyone, anyone can choose to respond, debate....or not. I'm not forcing you to answer anything you don't want to. But if you are secure in your beliefs, you can express them, defend them.
 
tres borrachos said:
It has nothing to do with what the NBA owners think. The question was about how I would vote. I answered the poll question.
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Horse bump.
Grim17 said:
The NBA Owners are going to vote on whether to force Donald Sterling to sell the LA Clippers because of the racist comments he made on that tape that was secretly recorded by his wife.

If you had a vote in that situation, would you vote "Yes" to force him to sell the team, or do you think he shouldn't be forced to see his team and vote "no".


After you vote, please explain your position.
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Gimmesometruth said:
So then an owner can do anything, can damage the brand in real terms.....and the franchisees should not, cannot, strip that franchisee of his/her rights?

You are being put into the shoes of other owners, you are being asked what you would do in this circumstance.....because their vote is what matters.

I can ask anyone, anyone can choose to respond, debate....or not. I'm not forcing you to answer anything you don't want to. But if you are secure in your beliefs, you can express them, defend them.
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I am putting myself in the shoes of the owners. And I would vote no.

I wouldn't vote to force someone to sell what he paid for. Simple as that.

I'm sure the others in the thread have different reasons for voting no so they may be more interesting to ask their reasons. My reason is what it is, and I've already said it a few times, including just now.
 
tres borrachos said:
I wouldn't vote to force someone to sell what he paid for. My reason is what it is, and I've already said it a few times, including just now.
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So then an owner can do anything, can damage the brand in real terms.....and the franchisees should not, cannot, strip that franchisee of his/her rights?
 
Buck Ewer said:
Of course some one can own a franchise. A franchise is a business.
When have you ever heard that Taco Bell employees are "owned" by the franchise owner?
This kind of parlance, that employees are bought, traded and owned is common and accepted in the sports industry.
It's time, I think, to ask why that is.
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No, players aren't owned. They are under contract.
 
tres borrachos said:
I wouldn't vote to force someone to sell what he paid for. Simple as that.
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So, franchisees can violate the terms of the contract......because....."ownership rights" trump the terms of the contract?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
So, franchisees can violate the terms of the contract......because....."ownership rights" trump the terms of the contract?
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For the 5th time, I wouldn't vote to take away someone's personal property.

Personal property rights IMO trump an NBA contract.

That is all.
 
tres borrachos said:
He paid for the franchise. It's his property. I don't believe in collectively forcing someone to sell what he paid for.

It has nothing to do with what the NBA owners think. The question was about how I would vote. I answered the poll question.

There are many others in the thread that agree with my thinking. Is there any particular reason you're more interested in why *I* feel that way than why the others do?
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IOW, you don't believe in contracts?
 
tres borrachos said:
For the 5th time, I wouldn't vote to take away someone's personal property.

Personal property rights IMO trump an NBA contract.

That is all.
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But, a franchise is not like "personal property" with exclusive rights. It is in effect a license contract, with many requirements. You break the contract, you forfeit your claim to the license.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
But, a franchise is not like "personal property" with exclusive rights. It is in effect a license contract, with many requirements. You break the contract, you forfeit your claim to the license.
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Then you'd vote to take force him to sell. I wouldn't.

Simple as that.
 
tres borrachos said:
Then you'd vote to take force him to sell. I wouldn't.

Simple as that.
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I understand you need to keep it simple, I understand you don't see a difference between franchise/license and "private property" and I understand that you cannot elaborate on your reasoning.

Grim17 said:
After you vote, please explain your position.
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Gimmesometruth said:
I understand you need to keep it simple, I understand you don't see a difference between franchise/license and "private property" and I understand that you cannot elaborate on your reasoning.
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Here is a list of the others who also voted no. You probably want to know all of their reasons why too, yes?

I wouldn't vote to take away something that another person paid for. My opinion is that personal property trumps NBA contracts. Simple as that. I also think that he didn't do anything that would justify removing his rights as an owner. Simple as that part 2. Which is why I would vote no.
 
pbrauer said:
The rules state the owners can vote another out and there by forcing that owner to sell the team.
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Which is why I would vote no. If I were an owner, I would have a right to vote. That's what this poll was all about.
 
tres borrachos said:
Here is a list of the others who also voted no. You probably want to know all of their reasons why too, yes?
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No, I am asking you to "explain your position". If you cannot beyond "private property, simple as that", well there you are.

I wouldn't vote to take away something that another person paid for. My opinion is that personal property trumps NBA contracts. Simple as that. I also think that he didn't do anything that would justify removing his rights as an owner. Simple as that part 2. Which is why I would vote no.
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License is not "ownership", it is a lease, so your "trump" is false.

His racist comments do damage the brand and violate the terms of the license contract.
 
tres borrachos said:
Which is why I would vote no. If I were an owner, I would have a right to vote. That's what this poll was all about.
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With all do respect, you don't know how how you would vote, because you're not an owner of a team. You very likely would see the whole thing in a different light if you were an owner. I believe the OP writer should have specified this in the OP.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No, I am asking you to "explain your position". If you cannot beyond "private property, simple as that", well there you are.

License is not "ownership", it is a lease, so your "trump" is false.

His racist comments do damage the brand and violate the terms of the license contract.
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I explained my position. I'm sure you want everyone else to do the same, yes? I gave you the list of the others who voted "no".

I believe in the rights of personal property over anything else. Simple as that. I don't believe the NBA was harmed by his words. Simple as that part 2. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'll be anxious to see what the others whose opinions you're anxious to see defended say about the issue.
 
pbrauer said:
With all do respect, you don't know how how you would vote, because you're not an owner of a team. You very likely would see the whole thing in a different light if you were an owner. I believe the OP writer should have specified this in the OP.
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None of us know how we'd vote because we're not owners of a team. I assume this poll was a hypothetical one, unless we have NBA owners posting among us? I'm sure the others who said "no" also assume this to be a hypothetical poll.
 
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