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Should us Veterans have any faith in the VA anymore?

Should vets trust the VA?

  • I'm a Vet-yes we should trust them

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • I'm a Vet- No never trust them

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • I'm not a vet-Yes vets should trust them

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • i'm not a vet- No they shouldn't the country has failed them

    Votes: 5 20.0%
  • Other-Explain

    Votes: 7 28.0%

  • Total voters
    25
I trust no one on the face of this earth. Never have, doubt I ever will. It seems naive to place your faith in anyone else but yourself. That does not mean you do not love others or look out for them. But in terms of trusting that they will be there for me? I assume they will not and if I am pleasantly surprised - bonus. If you agree or disagree with that - I really do not much care; no offense. Good day.

You remind me of that other 'lone wolf' Tigger.... bless his leedle heart...

It would appear you have never spent the night in a hastily dug hole with another manly man... :)

It is dangerous to place your faith in someone you know nothing about, hasn't been through the crucible, you haven't worked with before.

However as anyone who has spent time out in 'Indian Country' can tell you it takes a team. If you neglect to build that team then it's on you what happens. Silly is the man who thinks he can go it alone. Naive is the man who thinks he can handle the world by himself. A cherry is the guy who thinks he is a lone wolf- it just means life has not reared up to slap some sense in him....yet.... ;)

90% of the people I have met since leaving the Infantry I wouldn't give two nickles to have at my side, but then again who needs 100 guys hanging around- world's biggest **** block ever!!!!! :peace
 
For some veterans, the VA is all they have or all they can get for medical care, which is usually cost free for some.

My personal experience with the VA has been good lately. Not so good a few years ago. I guess it would depend on which state or which CBOC clinic you receive care from.

This is my new CBOC, all of the staff are professionals and provide excellent care.

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Tell that to the families of the vets that have died, because the VA ****ed them over.
 
Exactly. It all depends on where you go. Granted, the system is badly bent, but I don't know if I would go so far as to say that the entire VA system is in shambles, just because a well-known VA clinic, notorious for having problems, was.

My personal opinion of VA medical in a small town in New Mexico isn't good. The place was always jammed, you couldn't hardly get anyone to answer the phone to make appointments, and their followups were really crappy. I won't mention which VA CBOC it was. Place was horrible.
 
Tell that to the families of the vets that have died, because the VA ****ed them over.

I am the wife of a 100% disabled veteran, and I will tell you that a veteran's life is no more valuable than anyone else's. You start complaining like this, and you need to add in all the other hospitals who've had patients die. VA hospitals are not the only ones who are have problems. They ALL do.
 

Or nahhh. :lol:

My personal opinion of VA medical in a small town in New Mexico isn't good. The place was always jammed, you couldn't hardly get anyone to answer the phone to make appointments, and their followups were really crappy. I won't mention which VA CBOC it was. Place was horrible.

Yeah, they are definitely hard to get in in a lot of them - especially in military areas like where we live. But that's because they opened up the VA where you can walk in with a cold now and be seen. It used to be only for active duty, retired and SC disabled. Now it's almost anybody that served.
 
I am the wife of a 100% disabled veteran, and I will tell you that a veteran's life is no more valuable than anyone else's. You start complaining like this, and you need to add in all the other hospitals who've had patients die. VA hospitals are not the only ones who are have problems. They ALL do.

The contribution that veterans have made to the country is priceless. The government made a promise to take care of injured vets; the government dropped the ball; someone should be held accountable.

It's disgusting to devalue the lives of these people for political reasons.
 
Or nahhh. :lol:



Yeah, they are definitely hard to get in in a lot of them - especially in military areas like where we live. But that's because they opened up the VA where you can walk in with a cold now and be seen. It used to be only for active duty, retired and SC disabled. Now it's almost anybody that served.

I wished mine had a walk in clinic for ailments. As it was, I called for an appointment and by chance they had an opening for 8:15 that morning due to a cancellation, I just got lucky getting in so quickly. Combat injured vets go to the front of the line at my clinic, which is good.

I'm puzzled by the lack of care vets received in other places. That sucks.
 
The contribution that veterans have made to the country is priceless. The government made a promise to take care of injured vets; the government dropped the ball; someone should be held accountable.

It's disgusting to devalue the lives of these people for political reasons.

I don't see anyone doing this for political reasons. :shrug: I see incompetence in the Phoenix VA Medical Center. How is that political, actually? Honestly, unless Shinseki had actual working knowledge of what was going on, and participated in the cover up, I don't see how he should be held accountable, either.
 
I wished mine had a walk in clinic for ailments. As it was, I called for an appointment and by chance they had an opening for 8:15 that morning due to a cancellation, I just got lucky getting in so quickly. Combat injured vets go to the front of the line at my clinic, which is good.

I'm puzzled by the lack of care vets received in other places. That sucks.

Every hospital is different. Every single one. You can go to a University of Florida hospital in Jacksonville, and you can go to the same exact hospital system in Gainesville, and get different care. One might be good, and the other might be the worst you've ever had. The hospital care ultimately boils down to hospital administration. VA hospitals are honestly no different. They just have different patients, but administration is administration.
 
Every hospital is different. Every single one. You can go to a University of Florida hospital in Jacksonville, and you can go to the same exact hospital system in Gainesville, and get different care. One might be good, and the other might be the worst you've ever had. The hospital care ultimately boils down to hospital administration. VA hospitals are honestly no different. They just have different patients, but administration is administration.

And when administrators of hospitals are found at fault, they're usually deep fried, or toast, as they should be. This sure is an embarrassment for Shinseki, I'll bet he sends a few idiots for par boiling.
 
And when administrators of hospitals are found at fault, they're usually deep fried, or toast, as they should be. This sure is an embarrassment for Shinseki, I'll bet he sends a few idiots for par boiling.

Exactly. If hospital administrators don't know what's going on in their own hospitals, it's their own damn fault. It's like restaurant owners being oblivious to what happens in their kitchens.

It is the administrators job to know what's going on in his or her hospital. If they don't know, they don't deserve to be there. :shrug:
 
Exactly. If hospital administrators don't know what's going on in their own hospitals, it's their own damn fault. It's like restaurant owners being oblivious to what happens in their kitchens.

It is the administrators job to know what's going on in his or her hospital. If they don't know, they don't deserve to be there. :shrug:

I on occasion am sent a feedback form to fill out, which is sent back to the VA, and someone is supposed to review these feedback forms and take action where there are discrepancies. I wonder how long it took and how many complaints were lodged before someone sat up and took notice?
 
I don't see anyone doing this for political reasons. :shrug: I see incompetence in the Phoenix VA Medical Center. How is that political, actually? Honestly, unless Shinseki had actual working knowledge of what was going on, and participated in the cover up, I don't see how he should be held accountable, either.

There are 26 facilities that have been vaught purging their patient rolls. That's a systemic problem. If Shenseki knew about it, he was in on it and if he didn't, he's incompetant. Either, he needs to go.
 
Obviously, you're not and that's no surprise.

You're still mad huh? I bought one of these a few days ago,

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and still can't see or feel other people's feelings on public forums. How do you do it?
 
Being a veteran of OEF. It been no secret to myself and my fellow vets the horrors of the VA. Heck it took three times before they would activate my Education benifits. One the times being that on their records I was a dishonorable discharge Vet just release from Ft. Leavenworth. Now with all the issues that just have risen with VA including the death of my fellow Brothers in arms. Should we Vets ever have any faith and trust in the VA ever again? and If no what would it take for the faith to be restored?

OK with that first sentence, why would youask this question.

You already kknow the answer.
 
Other: what choice do they have?
 
Tell that to the families of the vets that have died, because the VA ****ed them over.

And in the private sector, people have died because hospitals and/or insurance companies have "****ed them over".
 
Other: what choice do they have?

A few posters are full of hot air here....
VA healthcare is not for active duty or dependents or retirees, it is for veterans who don't have civilian health care, whatever the reason. Money is usually the issue.
Active duty military, dependents, spouses all use medical services on base if there is one nearby. Civilian contractors (under Champus, IIRC) serve those who are not near a base . Retirees under age 65, and their dependents also use base medical facilities.
Once you hit 65, you SHOULD get on medicare, but if you want to go cheap, use the VA. I know one who refused medicare since he had the VA taking care of him.
He was not poor and wife had a good job. He lived to regret it....actually died regretting it.

Of those who supposedly died waiting, why don't we have the particulars? Were any over 65? Obese? Alcoholics? Have they refused medicare just to save money by not having part B, and D, and a supplemental to cover what A and B don't cover? What were their illnesses, what stage? Are any like my brother who they refused to treat for emphysema while still smoking two packs a day? They told him to go home, and he could come back when his smoking days are over. He quit that day
The media is all over this, and I suspect there is more smoke here than fire, no pun intended.

I have priority 1 status, and use the nearest clinic, with no complaints. My condition is Parkinson's stage 3, frustrating but not fatal for any time soon.
I will continue to use them until I start to doubt their interest in helping keep me healthy. Once I suspect their interest, I will be gone.
 
A few posters are full of hot air here....
VA healthcare is not for active duty or dependents or retirees, it is for veterans who don't have civilian health care, whatever the reason. Money is usually the issue.
Active duty military, dependents, spouses all use medical services on base if there is one nearby. Civilian contractors (under Champus, IIRC) serve those who are not near a base . Retirees under age 65, and their dependents also use base medical facilities.


You aren't entirely accurate, Bill. As a military wife, I was seen at the VA hospital with no problem. I wasn't forced to go to a military base clinic. In fact, when we lived in Huntsville, Alabama, my husband tried to be seen at Redstone Arsenal and was not allowed to be seen at the base clinic. The base commander makes the decision of who is, or is not seen, at the base clinic. The only people allowed to be seen at the base clinic were active duty and Tricare Prime. At the time, we only had Tricare Standard.
 
You aren't entirely accurate, Bill. As a military wife, I was seen at the VA hospital with no problem. I wasn't forced to go to a military base clinic. In fact, when we lived in Huntsville, Alabama, my husband tried to be seen at Redstone Arsenal and was not allowed to be seen at the base clinic. The base commander makes the decision of who is, or is not seen, at the base clinic. The only people allowed to be seen at the base clinic were active duty and Tricare Prime. At the time, we only had Tricare Standard.
Correct, Base Commanders have a lot of say....I live in AZ half the year, Utah half the year. Before reaching 65, I could use Luke AFB, as could my wife.
But Hill AFB in Utah was not available to us. So we tried to be sick only while in AZ....
 
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