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Should the RNC/GOP only back Governors running for the Presidency?

Should the RNC/GOP only back Governors running for the Presidency?


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The GOP is having quite a few people thinking about running for the Presidency.....and the list keeps growing with people throwing their name out there.
So far those that have given word are, as follows. (which they are not in any order of who is polling or currently on top.)

1. Christie
2. Paul
3. Jindal
4. Perry
5. Santorum
6. Bush
7. West
8. Pence
9. Carson

10. Cruz
11. Rubio
12. Huntsman


Even with the limiting of the Debates. Advertising and the MS Media is looking for a field day to catch the GOP up, and with the gotcha moments.

We have some popular figures here with Ego's to match. We have some that have never governed. So the question is.....should the RNC/GOP establishment only back those that have been Governors and know what it is like to govern a State, take care of budgets, and can get people to back to work, and have the record or working with the Demos, even if they weren't in control of anything.....or was?
 
We cannot afford a repeat of the last fiasco....the GOP needs to regain control of the party and be selective about who is "Allowed" to primary.

Otherwise we do the nasty work ourselves, before the Dems even get to the party.
 
If a governor is the most viable/appealing candidate, so be it. However, I see no reason to arbitrarily limit the pool of candidates in order to fit a select mold. That could result in a loss of enthusiasm among one's own base and a strong feeling of disconnect between the electorate and the establishment.
 
This is one of the biggest pieces of conventional wisdom in contemporary politics -- the idea that voters instinctively prefer governors. People never fail to point out that only two sitting senators have been elected directly to the presidency -- Warren Harding in 1920 and John F. Kennedy in 1960. Until Obama.

There is that question and thoughts about Governors vs Senators......or a State Rep.

Usually governors win out over senators.....when the country wants leadership. Some of the stats out there show it for what it is.

Now, there may not be that much relevance to discussing presidential candidacies from the 19th century. So let's look a little more closely at only the post-WWII era.

Including the 2008 presumptive nominees, the major parties have nominated governors 8 times and sitting senators 7 times. The gubernatorial nominees since 1948 are:

Tom Dewey (N.Y. Gov., 1948)
Adlai Stevenson (Illinois Gov., 1952)
Adlai Stevenson (former Ill. Gov., 1956)
Jimmy Carter (former Ga. Gov., 1976)
Ronald Reagan (former Calif. Gov., 1980)
Michael Dukakis (Mass. Gov., 1988)
Bill Clinton (Ark. Gov., 1992)
George W. Bush (Tex. Gov., 2000)

The nominees who were sitting senators were:

John F. Kennedy (Mass., 1960)
Barry Goldwater (Ariz., 1964)
George McGovern (S.D., 1972)
Bob Dole (Kan., 1996)
John Kerry (Mass., 2004)
Barack Obama (Ill., 2008)
John McCain (Ariz., 2008)

4/8 governors won; barring something unforeseen, by the end of 2008, 2/7 senators will have won. You might say this proves that governors do better than senators -- 50% of the governors nominated in the postwar era were elected and only 28% of the senators will have been.

Again we have some here no matter what their elected office is or was......have Big Egos. Yet have not governed, talk about plans and some of them aren't even viable at times.

Which here we will have people jumping into the race just take votes from another. Knowing they will be dropped, and some before a second debate.

The country elected a Senator who tried to steal and play on the Kennedy mantra.....he has shown Government cannot be trusted. That he cannot be believe with what he says about important issues.....and he has weakened our standing with Leaders abroad.

Shouldn't we be asking why are we picking a Senator. those defined.....that will have just as many problems as BO has. Albeit a few less scandals.
 
If a governor is the most viable/appealing candidate, so be it. However, I see no reason to arbitrarily limit the pool of candidates in order to fit a select mold. That could result in a loss of enthusiasm among one's own base and a strong feeling of disconnect between the electorate and the establishment.

If you remember the last series of primary debates, and the "Interesting" group that beat each other up for a few months...you will know they did more damage to themselves and each other than the Democrats did. By the time it was boiled down....the soup was to bitter to eat.
 
Historically, governors have always made the best Presidents, with the exception of Kennedy.

Two of the top 4 or 5 Presidents ever were governors of California.
 
Historically, governors have always made the best Presidents, with the exception of Kennedy.

Two of the top 4 or 5 Presidents ever were governors of California.
:confused: Only one CA governor has ever been President.
 
If a governor is the most viable/appealing candidate, so be it. However, I see no reason to arbitrarily limit the pool of candidates in order to fit a select mold. That could result in a loss of enthusiasm among one's own base and a strong feeling of disconnect between the electorate and the establishment.
In my opinion I believe that the GOP has to place under consideration a candidate that is somehow going to please both orthodox Republicans and the Tea Party branch, so your reasoning seems to be the best in the selection process--it's not if the candidate is a governor, it's how that person will unite the party as a whole.
 
Dammit. You're right, my bad. Nixon was a Senator, not a governor. Brain fart.
Nixon a top 5 president? That might be another brain fart.
 
I think it should be mandetory for a person who runs for the highest office in the country to have had at least one full term as governor or 2 terms as a senator.

Or a workrecord of working in high office for a considerable amount of time.

I would never give my vote to some upstart, no matter how nice the promisses may sound.

Someone should show that they have expirience and can be trusted with the job.

Which is why I was very suspicious of Obama in 2008.
 
The GOP is having quite a few people thinking about running for the Presidency.....and the list keeps growing with people throwing their name out there.
So far those that have given word are, as follows. (which they are not in any order of who is polling or currently on top.)

1. Christie
2. Paul
3. Jindal
4. Perry
5. Santorum
6. Bush
7. West
8. Pence
9. Carson

10. Cruz
11. Rubio
12. Huntsman


Even with the limiting of the Debates. Advertising and the MS Media is looking for a field day to catch the GOP up, and with the gotcha moments.

We have some popular figures here with Ego's to match. We have some that have never governed. So the question is.....should the RNC/GOP establishment only back those that have been Governors and know what it is like to govern a State, take care of budgets, and can get people to back to work, and have the record or working with the Demos, even if they weren't in control of anything.....or was?

I don't think it should be limited to only governors but I think there should probably be some sort of experience requirement


here is that list in order of experience (congress/governor/cabinet) as they will have in November 2016

Santorum - 16 Years
Perry - 14 years
Pence - 14 years
Jindal - 11 years
Bush - 8 years
Christie - 7 years

Rubio - 6 years
Paul - 6 years
Huntsman - 4.5 years
Cruz - 4 years
West - 2 years
Carson - 0 years

of the 6 with the most experience 5 have been governors
 
Nixon a top 5 president? That might be another brain fart.

He made Clinton look like a diplomatic novice, specifically with China. I also like how he handled the SALT treaties. His handling of removing the gold standard...well, there's good and bad in that.

Too many people just hate Nixon and scream "Watergate! Watergate!" like it was more significant than it was. It didn't affect anything about his platform or policies. It just highlighted his ambition.
 
If you remember the last series of primary debates, and the "Interesting" group that beat each other up for a few months...you will know they did more damage to themselves and each other than the Democrats did. By the time it was boiled down....the soup was to bitter to eat.
Which means the establishment should probably play a larger role in the process, but I don't necessarily believe that demands they nominate a governor strictly.
 
He made Clinton look like a diplomatic novice, specifically with China. I also like how he handled the SALT treaties. His handling of removing the gold standard...well, there's good and bad in that.

Too many people just hate Nixon and scream "Watergate! Watergate!" like it was more significant than it was. It didn't affect anything about his platform or policies. It just highlighted his ambition.
I won't deny that he did have accomplishments of great significance, but many were accomplished despite his apathy and were brought on by pressure from his advisers and political pressure alone. Couple that with his corruption and the ineffectiveness of a handful of both his monetary and fiscal initiatives, and I don't think you can place him anywhere near the top tier.
 
The GOP is having quite a few people thinking about running for the Presidency.....and the list keeps growing with people throwing their name out there.
So far those that have given word are, as follows. (which they are not in any order of who is polling or currently on top.)

1. Christie
2. Paul
3. Jindal
4. Perry
5. Santorum
6. Bush
7. West
8. Pence
9. Carson

10. Cruz
11. Rubio
12. Huntsman


Even with the limiting of the Debates. Advertising and the MS Media is looking for a field day to catch the GOP up, and with the gotcha moments.

We have some popular figures here with Ego's to match. We have some that have never governed. So the question is.....should the RNC/GOP establishment only back those that have been Governors and know what it is like to govern a State, take care of budgets, and can get people to back to work, and have the record or working with the Demos, even if they weren't in control of anything.....or was?
It seems to be to be a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of question. The experience of having governed is very valuable, and prepares one for blindsided political warfare. On the down side if one has been in the game, they are still playing games and greasing palms. I'd give Big Ben Carson a shot. He seems honest and smart enough with a good temperament. Closely followed by Rubio and Paul.
 
He made Clinton look like a diplomatic novice, specifically with China. I also like how he handled the SALT treaties. His handling of removing the gold standard...well, there's good and bad in that.

Too many people just hate Nixon and scream "Watergate! Watergate!" like it was more significant than it was. It didn't affect anything about his platform or policies. It just highlighted his ambition.

and trying to ban handguns and being a racist was just icing on the cake to being so awesome?
 
I won't deny that he did have accomplishments of great significance, but many were accomplished despite his apathy and were brought on by pressure from his advisers and political pressure alone. Couple that with his corruption and the ineffectiveness of a handful of both his monetary and fiscal initiatives, and I don't think you can place him anywhere near the top tier.

I don't think "apathy" and "corruption" (which I disagree with, by and large) really affect his ability as President. Other than Watergate, he really didn't have any significant stain. Hell, Clinton had multiple S&L scandals along with Lewinsky - and he was still a very good POTUS by and large. I judge his Presidency by Presidential measures, not moral ones.
 
I don't think it should be limited to only governors but I think there should probably be some sort of experience requirement


here is that list in order of experience (congress/governor/cabinet) as they will have in November 2016

Santorum - 16 Years
Perry - 14 years
Pence - 14 years
Jindal - 11 years
Bush - 8 years
Christie - 7 years

Rubio - 6 years
Paul - 6 years
Huntsman - 4.5 years
Cruz - 4 years
West - 2 years
Carson - 0 years

of the 6 with the most experience 5 have been governors



Mornin' Crovax :2wave: That's am Excellent Post.
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I think if the RNC was more vocal and saying they are more apt to back a governor. Due to the country needing Some sort of Leadership.

Then maybe we can get a few of these guys to consider staying on the sidelines. Not have to go thru this wear and tear the other up.
 
The GOP is having quite a few people thinking about running for the Presidency.....and the list keeps growing with people throwing their name out there.
So far those that have given word are, as follows. (which they are not in any order of who is polling or currently on top.)

1. Christie
2. Paul
3. Jindal
4. Perry
5. Santorum
6. Bush
7. West
8. Pence
9. Carson

10. Cruz
11. Rubio
12. Huntsman


Even with the limiting of the Debates. Advertising and the MS Media is looking for a field day to catch the GOP up, and with the gotcha moments.

We have some popular figures here with Ego's to match. We have some that have never governed. So the question is.....should the RNC/GOP establishment only back those that have been Governors and know what it is like to govern a State, take care of budgets, and can get people to back to work, and have the record or working with the Demos, even if they weren't in control of anything.....or was?



Placing limitations on who runs will not lead the GOP to the land of milk and honey, nor will having the GOP dictate from above.

First, Republicans need to stop listening to the White House propaganda; 2012 was not the disaster they paint. Romney ran Obama through the middle part of the campaign and won the opening debate, ending five points behind. He was gaff prone, weak, cold and distant and his campaign people were complete morons; they let Obama get away with so much crap they deserved to lose by 15%....YOU NEVER take your heel off your opponent's throat. EVER.

So under a weak, kind of cardboard cut out too-square chinned candidate, against a brilliant showman, glowingly protected in the media and armed with the largest war chest in the history of politics, the Republican machine still delivered its core and then some......within 5% as I recall.

The last run up was indeed self defeating. After the third debate I was wondering if the echelon knew something I didn't, but it was an ass-grab contest most notable for the media being unable to see or hear Ron Paul and the character destruction of perhaps the most decent man up there and the only guy with what might have been some answers, what I said then was the perfect VP candidate.

The problem, in the end, was that the whole show was about cardboard cut out pretty people who had fooled enough people some of the time to appear successful who came armed with talking points, no answers and far too few questions. They ended up with a chilly, gaff prone, candidate with the charisma of a gold fish after sifting through the party's collection of swelled head ambition whores; a guy who was simply using the party as his machine to stardom.

By the time the game begins publicly and in earnest, it will be too late. I have long seen the GOP circle its wagons and shoot inward. However I was at the pinnacle of my career when Nixon went out the hard way, that slime sucking ****-for-brains Ford making a mockery of justice; events we, the collective brain trust of the day were sure signs the GOP would languish in the political desert for decades. Enter Reagan and shooting outwards. There's a hint there.

The mid terms are an opportunity for the party to meld together on the points they agree on, close the pie hole on what they disagree on, then start shooting outward. It would seem to me the GOP has forgotten a basic rule of the nastiest non-contact sport in the universe; a house divided cannot stand. Democrats have a few fissures running through them and while they clobber the crap out of Republicans on so-called social issues, the Republicans ignore the huge divide on the other side: the rich, Hollywood environmental people with the $ on one side, and out of work, under employed working men and women who are not working but could be with one pipeline....

The party is still circled, still facing inward...at least for now their not shooting, but they need to turn around and see the enemy for what it is....smoke, mirrors, incompetence and lies....
 
It seems to be to be a damned if you do damned if you don't kind of question. The experience of having governed is very valuable, and prepares one for blindsided political warfare. On the down side if one has been in the game, they are still playing games and greasing palms. I'd give Big Ben Carson a shot. He seems honest and smart enough with a good temperament. Closely followed by Rubio and Paul.



Mornin' JD. :2wave: Looking at things realistically. I think we can now consider Rubio.....out of the Running. He needs to hold that Senator seat. But.....uh oh, and I just got word myself along with the DB. Jeb Bush is going to make the Dash. Rubio and Jeb Bush have made a deal. Rubio will stay out and Take on Wassermann Schultz.....who thinks she can move up to Senator. Now that is a scary thought. :shock:

Dammit.....another Bush run!!!!!
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Forget the White House, Marco Rubio Might Be Lucky Just to Be Reelected.....

He still makes the presidential wannabee lists, but Rubio might be lucky in 2016 just to hold his Senate seat.

In fact, he may be forced into a career change. Why? Because Senator Rubio is up for a difficult reelection in November 2016, and he told Jonathan Karl that if he runs for president he would not simultaneously run for the Senate.

This could be construed as a jab at Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who is actively considering both. But Rubio does not have a choice because Florida law prevents ambitious politicians from having their names appear twice on the ballot for different offices, as does Kentucky. And Paul has more in-state political clout and is engaged in changing the law in Kentucky, while Rubio has accepted the Sunshine State status quo.

A quick glance at the Real Clear Politics poll averages for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination indicates that Rubio would be better off focusing all his energy on his Senate reelection if he wants to keep “politician” as his current profession. The current three leaders are Rand Paul and Mike Huckabee with 13 percent each, and Jeb Bush at 12.3 percent. Rubio is stuck in the middle at 6.5 percent. <<<<< !

He doesn’t even fare well at home. The latest Quinnipiac survey of 2016 GOP voters has Jeb Bush winning 27 percent, Rand Paul garnering 14 percent and Rubio trailing at 11 percent. Furthermore, in a Florida 2016 general election match-up Hillary Clinton stomps Rubio by a margin of 52 to 40 percent.

So things don’t look so encouraging for Rubio. But he may not be seriously eyeing a White House run anyway: A high-ranking GOP party official who asked that his name be withheld told me on Monday that Jeb Bush’s people have just met with Rubio’s people and a 2016 deal was struck: If Jeb runs for president, then Rubio would drop out—and “Jeb is running,” according to my well-placed source. (Alert the media!).....snip~

Forget the White House, Marco Rubio Might Be Lucky Just to Be Reelected - The Daily Beast
 
So the question is.....should the RNC/GOP establishment only back those that have been Governors and know what it is like to govern a State, take care of budgets, and can get people to back to work, and have the record or working with the Demos, even if they weren't in control of anything.....or was?

Are you talking about the official party? Are you talking about the individual delegates at the convention?

No. In the first scenario. The official party should only back the person that secures the nomination.

Yes. In the second scenario. Executive experience is always helpful. Otherwise we are rolling dice and crossing our fingers. If the candidate has been a governor then we know what to expect and what not to expect. I would take it a step further. I would only want a governor that has serve two terms and won by a landslide in his second election.

I voted yes in the poll because I think I know what you meant.

I was just being technical with the language.
 
I'm in favor of a Christie / Rubio ticket. All it needs is a "D" behind it for accuracy.
 
Just as all investments must include this caveat "past performance is not indicative of future yields" so must all politicians. I am sick and tired of hearing that governor X has balanced the state budget, created a surplus, has created (or saved) jobs or has raised/lowered taxes. What I want is a candidate with simple and honest positions on any given issue (even if that position is I don't know) and a clear (and simple) plan for proposed major policy changes.

What the GOP lacks is any candidate with the balls to say that any specific unconstitutional federal gov't power defined at the program, agency or department level can (and will) be cut. Barring that, they can promise the moon and never be held accountable to change anything. There is no sense in running on "smaller gov't" while only proposing more of it. ;)
 
The GOP is having quite a few people thinking about running for the Presidency.....and the list keeps growing with people throwing their name out there.
So far those that have given word are, as follows. (which they are not in any order of who is polling or currently on top.)

1. Christie
2. Paul
3. Jindal
4. Perry
5. Santorum
6. Bush
7. West
8. Pence
9. Carson

10. Cruz
11. Rubio
12. Huntsman


Even with the limiting of the Debates. Advertising and the MS Media is looking for a field day to catch the GOP up, and with the gotcha moments.

We have some popular figures here with Ego's to match. We have some that have never governed. So the question is.....should the RNC/GOP establishment only back those that have been Governors and know what it is like to govern a State, take care of budgets, and can get people to back to work, and have the record or working with the Demos, even if they weren't in control of anything.....or was?

We know who the GOP is going to back. The same types they always back. Democrat light. ie the likes Mitt Romeny, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush et al. All of whom suck. By the way Howdy there MMC :2wave:
 
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