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Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

Was Karl Marx Right About Capitalism?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 41.1%

  • No

    Votes: 43 58.9%
  • Total voters
    73
RGacky3 said:
Well, you obviously haven't read Marx, or tried to understand Marx at all.

In other Words you're willfully ignorant on the topic you're commenting on.
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Would you like to compare notes?

What have I read of Marx's drivel?
Capital, Vol I
The Communist Manifesto (Really more F. Engels but Marx gets the credit)
Critique of the Gotha Program.

That dangerous fool wrote so much nonsense that it fills 50 volumes.

As far as not understanding goes, first, his writing requires a certain detachment from sanity to understand. Second, I bought the following:
A Companion to Marx's Capital (I read this one)
Communism and Christianity analyzed...
Eighteenth Brumaire of L.B....
Historical Materialism...
Marx Rises Again (article) (I read this one)
Marxism Unmasked (I read this one)
Revolutiuon and counter-revolution in Germany in 1848
The Cambridge Companion... (I read this one)
And six more..

The guy was a dangerous kook.
 
Misterveritis said:
Would you like to compare notes?

What have I read of Marx's drivel?
Capital, Vol I
The Communist Manifesto (Really more F. Engels but Marx gets the credit)
Critique of the Gotha Program.

That dangerous fool wrote so much nonsense that it fills 50 volumes.

As far as not understanding goes, first, his writing requires a certain detachment from sanity to understand. Second, I bought the following:
A Companion to Marx's Capital (I read this one)
Communism and Christianity analyzed...
Eighteenth Brumaire of L.B....
Historical Materialism...
Marx Rises Again (article) (I read this one)
Marxism Unmasked (I read this one)
Revolutiuon and counter-revolution in Germany in 1848
The Cambridge Companion... (I read this one)
And six more..

The guy was a dangerous kook.
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Then why not actually address the actual text you quoted from Marx .... ?
 
MildSteel said:
I thought about something today. I was at a mall that has very high end stores that cater to wealthy clients. When I was starting my business I went to the office and talked to someone about leasing some space. That charge so much for rent, that it forms an enormous barrier of entry in the first place. But this is the thing that got me. The really good spots, they won't rent to you, even if you have enough money. You have to be one of the established designer brands before they will lease space to you. I was thinking, back when those people were establishing themselves, black folks were not even allowed in the game.
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A case for Sherlock Holmes. Youve been mugged by reality. Welcome to the new world.
 
RGacky3 said:
Well, you obviously haven't read Marx, or tried to understand Marx at all.

In other Words you're willfully ignorant on the topic you're commenting on.
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In other words its you. Hi!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2wave:

The world does not cater to your delusions. Welcome to earth.
 
US Conservative said:
In other words its you. Hi!!!!!!!!!!!!! :2wave:

The world does not cater to your delusions. Welcome to earth.
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The delusion that People should actually address Points they are responding to?
 
MildSteel said:
I thought about something today. I was at a mall that has very high end stores that cater to wealthy clients. When I was starting my business I went to the office and talked to someone about leasing some space. That charge so much for rent, that it forms an enormous barrier of entry in the first place. But this is the thing that got me. The really good spots, they won't rent to you, even if you have enough money. You have to be one of the established designer brands before they will lease space to you. I was thinking, back when those people were establishing themselves, black folks were not even allowed in the game.
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Nice ramble, bro.
 
US Conservative said:
A case for Sherlock Holmes. Youve been mugged by reality. Welcome to the new world.
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I fail to understand what you mean by welcome or that I have been "mugged by reality."
 
MildSteel said:
I told the truth.
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You rambled and told the facts as you saw it. You are perceiving some unfairness about some stores in a high-end mall being "locked out" to you and your company. Think about what makes something high end and what is interesting to consumers. Or is your product so wonderful that high-end clients should want your product over another brand? Same concept for anchor stores.

I'm still not clear what you are referring to because of your clipped sentences. If your are not a native English speaker, I'm sorry, but I've read your post several times to try to find out your point.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
You rambled and told the facts as you saw it. You are perceiving some unfairness about some stores in a high-end mall being "locked out" to you and your company. Think about what makes something high end and what is interesting to consumers. Or is your product so wonderful that high-end clients should want your product over another brand? Same concept for anchor stores.

I'm still not clear what you are referring to because of your clipped sentences. If your are not a native English speaker, I'm sorry, but I've read your post several times to try to find out your point.
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Fair enough. Your post is what it is. People will make of it what they want.
 
MildSteel said:
Fair enough. Your post is what it is. People will make of it what they want.
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I'm not discussing with people, citizens of the World or the USC Marching band, I was addressing what you wrote to you. You thought about something, then went into a mall to try to rent prime locations for high-end space and they wouldn't do it. You apparently feel your pride is hurt because the world won't get exposure to your product.

From that, we don't know what your product or service is, how long you have been in business, or whether you are an established business seeking a new location. Are we just supposed to feel bad for you that the "man" is oppressing you or was there another point you were trying to make?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I'm not discussing with people, citizens of the World or the USC Marching band, I was addressing what you wrote to you. You thought about something, then went into a mall to try to rent prime locations for high-end space and they wouldn't do it. You apparently feel your pride is hurt because the world won't get exposure to your product.

From that, we don't know what your product or service is, how long you have been in business, or whether you are an established business seeking a new location. Are we just supposed to feel bad for you that the "man" is oppressing you or was there another point you were trying to make?
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I think he was pointing out, partially, that even in recent history, there was discrimination and NOT a market that rented to those who had money to rent, but were trying to restrict to those they believed would fit into what the owners of the area felt would be a good fit, sometimes based on racism, sometimes just classism
 
dad2three2001 said:
I think he was pointing out, partially, that even in recent history, there was discrimination and NOT a market that rented to those who had money to rent, but were trying to restrict to those they believed would fit into what the owners of the area felt would be a good fit, sometimes based on racism, sometimes just classism
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Perhaps, but then I could discuss that point with him. I can't say that those things never happen, but he specifically said a high-end mall. Stores in high end malls selling iphone covers are not getting prime locations, so without more information, it is just a stray group of thoughts.
 
MildSteel said:
That's not so. But it is surely so under capitalism, and for that matter, the Marxist-like solutions that have been put forward.
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Oh please DO enlighten us.

Where does the ultimate nirvana exist ?
 
dad2three2001 said:
I think he was pointing out, partially, that even in recent history, there was discrimination and NOT a market that rented to those who had money to rent, but were trying to restrict to those they believed would fit into what the owners of the area felt would be a good fit, sometimes based on racism, sometimes just classism
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That pretty much it. I really didn't think what I said was hard to comprehend.

According to the principles of classical liberalism the so called free market would lead to emancipation for all. Indeed Friedman said the following:

No one who buys bread knows whether the wheat from which it was made was grown by a Communist or a Republican, by a constitutionalist or a Fascist, or, for that matter , by a Negro or a white. This illustrates how an impersonal market separates economic activities from political views and protects men from being discriminated against in the economic activities for reasons that are irrelevant to their productivity
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Indeed this is a cornerstone principle of free market capitalism, i.e., that free markets guarantee freedom. However, the example that I provided demonstrates that in practice, markets are not necessarily free. In this instance, the commercial real estate market does indeed discriminate based simply on who you are. I suppose that's what got me. Supposedly markets should be impersonal, and one can buy what one has the ability to pay for, just like anyone else. But that is not the case. Now one can say that the owners are merely acting in their self interest to preserve the investment of their clients. But the problem is that in this case, not only is the ability to pay no longer criteria, but there is also no consideration of the merits of the product or the producer. It is simply based on established names. Thus eroding the principles of meritocracy, while at the same time supporting the principles of cronyism.
 
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US Conservative said:
Theres that famous liberal compassion, most commonly found in those who have not travelled, or lived much.
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I have traveled plenty, and would NEVER have returned to the dump of USA, if not forced too.

GOP compassion is the 26,000 deaths each years from denied healthcare.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
That wasnt a specific answer. It seemed like you just repeated your claim.

Who are they/them?
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Borgeois
idle rich
bankers
owners
those that live in the fantasy land of Wall Street.
what ever you want to call them.
 
274ina said:
Borgeois
idle rich
bankers
owners
those that live in the fantasy land of Wall Street.
what ever you want to call them.
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So then you have a prejudice against certain types of people. By "Borgeois" I m sure that you mean Bourgeois Society and not fictional characters that live in cubes. Either way though it shows that you believe in classism. There is no such thing as us and them, we are all together despite what some people will claim that want to be separate from some sections of society.

Marxisms biggest mistake is assuming that the only way to make things right is by attacking a certain section of society and blaming them for all of our short comings. It is no different than ultra conservatives blaming a certain section of society for all of this countries woes. Also Bourgeois Society the definition that Marx used as Capitalism is entirely different than what most Americans think of as the definition of Capitalism. At any rate if we use Marx's definition of Capitalism then we can still say that his predictions were wrong, even with 2008 in the picture. Marx's predictions called for absolutes in his assertions that are not at all possible in reality. Take for example his claims that we would be more concerned with money than our family, that was an outright fail.

But in the end Marxists are never honest about word definitions nor observations of the real world. They instead try and make the world adhere to Marxisms belief system.
 
274ina said:
I have traveled plenty, and would NEVER have returned to the dump of USA, if not forced too.

GOP compassion is the 26,000 deaths each years from denied healthcare.
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Who forced you to return? I'd be willing to purchase a plane ticket for you, hows that sound?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
So then you have a prejudice against certain types of people. By "Borgeois" I m sure that you mean Bourgeois Society and not fictional characters that live in cubes. Either way though it shows that you believe in classism. There is no such thing as us and them, we are all together despite what some people will claim that want to be separate from some sections of society.

Marxisms biggest mistake is assuming that the only way to make things right is by attacking a certain section of society and blaming them for all of our short comings. It is no different than ultra conservatives blaming a certain section of society for all of this countries woes. Also Bourgeois Society the definition that Marx used as Capitalism is entirely different than what most Americans think of as the definition of Capitalism. At any rate if we use Marx's definition of Capitalism then we can still say that his predictions were wrong, even with 2008 in the picture. Marx's predictions called for absolutes in his assertions that are not at all possible in reality. Take for example his claims that we would be more concerned with money than our family, that was an outright fail.

But in the end Marxists are never honest about word definitions nor observations of the real world. They instead try and make the world adhere to Marxisms belief system.
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yes there is US and THEM. GILLOTINE TIME!!!!!

Did you forget about OWS? All those millions marching?

Look at the $10B a major bank is going to have to pay out for criminal acts.

Why are criminals allowed to just pay a fine? Why does NO ONE go to jail?

Bourgeois is the owners of production. Not this "society" BS you talk about.
 
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