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Would you want a gun in this situation?

Would you want a gun in this situation?


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Target identification is one of the very first things you learn in a gun safety course. If you know your family is in the house and you can't locate them, it's probably not wise to fire blindly into the dark.

If that's the kind of thing you do, maybe it's better you don't own a gun and just hope for the best, as you'd obviously be useless even with one.

So you would run around doing a head count before confronting the problem.
I'll ignore the rest of you childish BS
 
I am addressing the OP, just not in the way you want. I am highlighting the absurdity of your argument.

Oh, and by the way, you know what is more effective than owning a gun for home invasions? Prevention.

In this scenario....the gun IS prevention.

Just the thought of some sick bastard violating my wife makes me so angry I would kill him without a moments hesitation.
 
Two can play this game.

What say you to this similarly unlikely and absurd situation:

Thieves break in to steal your TV[prized midget porn collection], and you go downstairs [to the front of the tailor] to check it out. As is almost always the case, the thieves only want your stuff and to leave. They threaten you to go away, and they start to make good their escape.

Suddenly you dive for [draw] your gun cabinet near your TV [from your tighty-whities], throw it open [eew], and one of the thieves, upon realising his life is in mortal danger because some moron intends to shoot him, hits you over the head with his crowbar [never seeing my 200lb rottie lunging for his neck]

At what point do you wish you had not had any guns in the house?
Aint no'un steel'n mah porn!
 
So you would run around doing a head count before confronting the problem.
I'll ignore the rest of you childish BS

Are you foreign or just haven't learned how to read yet?

If you know your family is in the house and you can't locate them, it's probably not wise to fire blindly into the dark.

It's exactly as I stated, if I can't find my family members, I'd be extremely careful about firing off bullets into the shadows, I would attempt to identify the target first. So you proposed an idiotic scenario, which I sidestepped with ease, and now you're mad about it?

So you would fire randomly into the dark when your family members are in the house? Is that what you're saying?
 
I think we should agree on a few ground rules. Lets establish that most legal gun owners are responsible and are trained to use their weapon(s) properly, and not some trigger happy, nervous and irresponsible wannabe heroes.
We should also agree that no one is forced to purchase or make use of a deadly weapon. So lets quit the back and forth snark and admit that non of us know for sure what we would actually do, but chances are, for pure survival instinct's sake, we protect ourselves by any means possible.
Yes?
 
I think we should agree on a few ground rules. Lets establish that most legal gun owners are responsible and are trained to use their weapon(s) properly, and not some trigger happy, nervous and irresponsible wannabe heroes.
We should also agree that no one is forced to purchase or make use of a deadly weapon. So lets quit the back and forth snark and admit that non of us know for sure what we would actually do, but chances are, for pure survival instinct's sake, we protect ourselves by any means possible.
Yes?

That's the whole problem though. There are people who, because THEY fear or dislike guns, feel that no one else should have them either. Some of them have a very inflated sense of self-importance. ;)
 
I own a couple guns but have never felt the need to sleep with one . Lets try a different "what if" You hear a noise in the living room at 2:30 am. You jump up, grab your gun and go into the hall. You see a shadow moving close to the window, you take aim, pull the trigger and the intruder drops. You wait a couple of minutes to be sure no one else is there. Turn on a light and see your teenage son laying in a pool of blood. He was just sneaking back in after being outside. Do you still want to sleep with a gun?
I stopped reading at take aim at a shadow. You NEVER fire not knowing your target. That is where the training comes in. And in my case there is no teen son coming in late.
 
I'm curious about how anti-gunners would feel in real, dangerous situations. It's easy to decry the horrors of gun ownership in the safety of your armchair, but if the lives of you and your family were at risk would your convictions still hold?

The scenario:
It's late at night in your house, you and your family are asleep, when armed men break in. You don't know if they're there to rob you, rape you, murder you, or all of the above. At that point would you wish you had a gun?

The way I see it, if you're anti-gun and would still want a gun to defend yourself in this scenario you're a hypocrite. This isn't an absurd scenario. It happens daily in just about every country in the world. So what say you?

My question is whether or not a gun would do me any good. Sure, it'd be better to have one, but I, like way too many people who own guns, am not adequately trained.
 
You said "men with guns". Now, I watch a lot of movies where the good guy is able to kill 15 bad guys while only suffering a bullet graze to the shoulder.

In your supposed scenario, reaching for my gun would probably be the last thing that I'd ever do upon this earth.

I'd want a gun if I'd stayed up late watching movies. If I'm sound asleep, my gun would have to stay hidden.
 
My question is whether or not a gun would do me any good. Sure, it'd be better to have one, but I, like way too many people who own guns, am not adequately trained.

Sounds like your fault. Owning a gun doesn't do you any good if you don't know how to use it. Barricading yourself in your bedroom and defending in place until the cops arrive isn't exactly rocket surgery.

You said "men with guns". Now, I watch a lot of movies where the good guy is able to kill 15 bad guys while only suffering a bullet graze to the shoulder.

In your supposed scenario, reaching for my gun would probably be the last thing that I'd ever do upon this earth.

So as they made their way over to your wife or daughter to have their way with her, you would cry in the corner in the fetal position? Your cowardice abounds.
 
Sounds like your fault. Owning a gun doesn't do you any good if you don't know how to use it. Barricading yourself in your bedroom and defending in place until the cops arrive isn't exactly rocket surgery.



So as they made their way over to your wife to have their way with her, you would cry in the corner in the fetal position? Your cowardice abounds.

You posted while I was adding another line to my post.

I'm not dirty Harry, but I don't cry. If I'm dead, my wife will also suffer. I have a 45. I would need to find an opportunity to use it later. A raped wife isn't the end of your world.

This reminds me of "The Last House on the Left".
 
You posted while I was adding another line to my post.

I'm not dirty Harry, but I don't cry. If I'm dead, my wife will also suffer. I have a 45. I would need to find an opportunity to use it later. A raped wife isn't the end of your world.

Holy ****. Your cowardice really does abound.
 
Sounds like your fault. Owning a gun doesn't do you any good if you don't know how to use it. Barricading yourself in your bedroom and defending in place until the cops arrive isn't exactly rocket surgery.

That's exactly what I'd do, RA. I'm not a bumbling idiot. If my SO was in the bedroom with me...if I didn't have kids in another room...Remember, while you've barricaded yourself in the bedroom, if the armed intruders want in? Drywall doesn't stop bullets. Will I remember that? Or will I just defend the door? Knowing what to do and being able to execute under extreme stress are two very different things. Even loading one's gun becomes a challenge as one's adrenalin starts surging through one's veins and fine motor skills turn to mush.
 
Holy ****. Your cowardice really does abound.

I see you've mastered HTML fonts.

Other than that, you've got nothing.

If I fire in the dark from the bed, the other two guys are going to light us up from seeing my flash point.

So I'm a coward because I don't want to be killed next to my now dead wife? That's a brilliant plan you've got there.
 
You posted while I was adding another line to my post.

I'm not dirty Harry, but I don't cry. If I'm dead, my wife will also suffer. I have a 45. I would need to find an opportunity to use it later. A raped wife isn't the end of your world.

This reminds me of "The Last House on the Left".

Thing is, if someone(s) break into your house in the middle of the night, the only position to take is that they are there to kill you.
 
It's not so unlikely, especially if you are vulnerable, such as a single woman. Why would I NOT want to take precautions?

Plenty of precautions you can take without having to buy a gun which is what Redress is pointing out.
 
If armed men break in to my house i'm already outnumbered and they are unlikely to back down because I own a gun, a fire fight will ensue and my family will be caught in the cross fire.
 
My question is whether or not a gun would do me any good. Sure, it'd be better to have one, but I, like way too many people who own guns, am not adequately trained.
Many years ago, I worked in a Sporting Goods and sold lots of guns.
A common question was guys looking for a gun for their wives to
protect the house when they were away.
I told they to buy their wife a 20 gauge pump shotgun, and if she was unfamiliar
with guns, teach her to shoot an decent round of skeet.
By the time a person can hit say 10 out of 25 skeet with a 20 gauge,
they have enough skill to protect themselves.
as a bonus, Shooting skeet is entertaining.
 
Thing is, if someone(s) break into your house in the middle of the night, the only position to take is that they are there to kill you.

You are correct.

That doesn't scare me one bit.
 
You are correct.

That doesn't scare me one bit.

Yes. Yes, it would. You cannot fathom what happens to the human body when we become in fear of our lives. All the training goes out the window . . . fine motor skills deteriorate into oblivion . . . one's thinking process goes into pure survival mode -- not necessarily the best way to survive, by the way.

That's why Longview makes more sense than anyone -- a shotgun.
 
If armed men break in to my house i'm already outnumbered and they are unlikely to back down because I own a gun, a fire fight will ensue and my family will be caught in the cross fire.

The scenario is completely arbitrary, so sniping individual details is insignificant. What if it were one armed man? One unarmed man? Is there any scenario at all where you would abandon your anti-gun beliefs and wish you had a gun?

I see you've mastered HTML fonts.

Other than that, you've got nothing.

If I fire in the dark from the bed, the other two guys are going to light us up from seeing my flash point.

So I'm a coward because I don't want to be killed next to my now dead wife? That's a brilliant plan you've got there.

Every once in a while somebody says something so horrifically atrocious that it needs to be pointed out.
 
I don't know what level of training people have....but mine included defensive use of the weapon. Basically it is very simple:

1) Do not head to danger, wait for it to come to you and put something solid between you and it.
2) Create a safe zone with a firing window.
3) Do not aim for a lethal shot to the head.
4) Shoot at the largest target area on the exposed body.
5) Be prepared to fire multiple shots in needed.

Above all, do not have a gun you will not fire.
 
Nor did Sharon Tate, I presume.

You had to go back 50 years?

Pick someone known from more recent times. I doubt many younger folks here know who you are talking about.
 
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