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Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

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ecofarm said:
Right, a black person cannot escape unjust discrimination; they must live with it every day of their life, in every aspect of life. I, however, am never and will never be affected by unjust discrimination in any meaningful way.

"Individual racism" is an individual act of racism (racial bigotry which is supported by the majority power and the system). "Individual racism" =/= bigotry.

to me personally? It will never affect me. Complaining about it, on a personal level, is totally BS. Is bigotry a bad thing in general? Of course. But black racial bigotry has no impact on my life and it never will.

Can you understand that it's different for blacks? They can't ignore it, because it does have meaning. It does affect them; their whole life.


So, if you can grasp that difference, then you will understand the social aspects of racism as compared to racial bigotry.
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Since you are rambling uncontrollably and repeating yourself (to no better effect):

Lursa said:
So you can ignore racism. That proves nothing.

A black person cannot? That is debatable but they can be impacted by individual racism as well as anything imposed by the state.

Your 'highly educated' limits are showing......
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Lursa said:
*yawn* Facts not in evidence, so stop bothering.
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There are pics of me in the Tavern with another member. At my profile, there are pics of me (same person!) in Africa. I'd give you my name, but I only do that with those that seem particularly stable and not obsessive about others.
 
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Lursa said:
Since you are rambling uncontrollably and repeating yourself (to no better effect):
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I didn't think it was within your grasp. You find meaningless BS to be the same as a lifetime of oppression. That's so racist.
 
AGENT J said:
Please post ONE fact that supports the lie that black people in america cant be racist.
Continuing to support racism like your posts do wont change anything.


ONE fact is all we need, we'd love to read it.

Until you can each post you make pushing that lie will continue to fail and get proven fatally wrong. :)
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I'm surprised eco has got to keep pounding away at this. It's obvious that 'yes' blacks can be literally be racist by a dictionaries definition of the word, but the social impact and intent will never equal what it means to them.

Blacks can call me whitey, cracker, hillbilly, redneck trash and it will never have the emtoional impact on me that it does on them being called the "N" word. Mostly, because they're subtley discriminated against a majority of their lives by the financially dominate, Eurasian global-centric economy. It's sad but a true reality. There are more and more successful blacks in high positions of business and gov than ever before, but still not as high a percentage per population. And obviously nobody is going to give them the highlife for nothing.

It's similar for latinos who've permeated the West, as very Mexican in culture. I don't think it benefits blacks-latinos to have a innate hate towards all white people or to blame their own personal failures for not getting ahead, but many start from a difficult set of circumstances. They end up perpetuating a cycle of bad habits, coming from poverty, lack of education, job opportunity, drugs, crime, gang culture and reliance on gov subsidies that carry on from generation to generation acquiring a negative stereotype as a majority.

So you can say "Awww... blacks can be just a racists as whites" and it's true, maybe even more so outwardly, but that will not change the reality of it carrying no significant impact financially/socially towards whites, because they're still controlling most of the opportunities. It took Europeans and American immigrants from Europe hundreds of years to become finanically dominate, and they're not going to give up a slice of their pie to any culture or race they deem as inferior and unworthy. Hell, they cut each others throats for success.
 
ecofarm said:
BS. No one is excusing anything.
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Yes, it is. It treats racism by minorities as less than racism caused by the majority. As such its an excuse. Racism is not a grey area. There is no lesser or greater racism. There is just racism period.
 
ecofarm said:
BS. I differentiate between racism and bigotry. I do not condone anything.

But equating racism with bigotry (as you do), that DOES empower and condone racism.
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There is a difference between bigotry and racism. But it is not what you are trying to say it is. Racism is one person or race hating someone or a race of someones from another race because of their race/skin color. Bigotry has nothing to do with skin color. It is just simply about hating something. There are many valid reasons to be biggoted against something. For instance I am bigotted when it comes to sunlight because I am allergic to it (true fact). There is no valid reason to be a racist. Using the phrase "racist bigotry" is just an attempt to use the valid reasons for being a bigot and applying it to racism. People are doing this by saying that racism by minorities have no effect because they do not, cannot, create laws which enforce their racism. Therefore it is OK for them to be racist bigots as they have a valid reason to be which means they're not really racist...they're just reacting. That is what such arguements amount to. That is condoning racism by minorities.
 
ecofarm said:
Not an acronym, then end of the word. It denotes a culture developed by society. Not an individual act.

One cannot do racism alone. It's a culture one can take part in.
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If this were true then why did you say this....

ecofarm said:
Yeah, dude, you couldn't come up with a good reason for your dumbass position, but I'm supposed to? Sure. Other than racism and ignorance (you claiming the latter), how about you give us a reason to support Bundy?
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?? You are applying the word "racism" to an individual (me in this instance). You might want to back away from this line of arguement.....
 
Kal'Stang said:
If this were true then why did you say this....

?? You are applying the word "racism" to an individual (me in this instance). You might want to back away from this line of arguement.....
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I've been ignoring this for a while, but I noticed this in the right column and I really must point out how stupid that claim is.

An individual, by themselves, cannot 'do racism'. Racism requires the act of an entity (individual or otherwise) supported by systemic unjust discrimination.

Seriously, one needn't be smart to understand that.
 
ecofarm said:
Whatever.

Black people can spew all the racial bigotry they want and it will never matter to me one bit. It will never affect my ability to get housing, schooling, employment or a fair shake in court. I can SAFELY ignore black racial bigotry, and it will never ever affect my life in any way. It's totally meaningless to me personally. I can laugh at them knowing I'm untouchable.

A black person, though, is affected by white racial bigotry (racism) every single day of their life.
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See, you condone racism by black people while hollering about racism by whites. You condone by accepting one and hollering about the other.
 
Kal'Stang said:
See, you condone racism by black people while hollering about racism by whites. You condone by accepting one and hollering about the other.
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No one is condoning anything. Except, of course, racists and the ignorant equating BS with oppression... they are condoning racism by equating it to meaningless crap.


Good day.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Y'know the definition of racism in the eyes of conservatives? If it's an racist act, that's not racism, but it's somebody performing a constitutionally-protected act - but if it's liberals pointing out racism, well, it's obviously the liberals who are being racist!
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This makes no sense.
 
ecofarm said:
There are pics of me in the Tavern with another member. At my profile, there are pics of me (same person!) in Africa. I'd give you my name, but I only do that with those that seem particularly stable and not obsessive about others.
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So? You have a point with this?
 
Kal'Stang said:
This makes no sense.
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It happens here all the time. Racists have two favorite tactics:

1. Equating racism with meaningless crap.
2. Calling everyone else a racist for ridiculous reasons.
 
ecofarm said:
I've been ignoring this for a while, but I noticed this in the right column and I really must point out how stupid that claim is.

An individual, by themselves, cannot 'do racism'. Racism requires the act of an entity (individual or otherwise) supported by systemic unjust discrimination.

Seriously, one needn't be smart to understand that.
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This is whats called being hypocritical. When you say one thing and then a few days later you say something different, and then when its pointed out that you said that thing you back away from it just to support your current arguement.
 
ecofarm said:
No one is condoning anything. Except, of course, racists and the ignorant equating BS with oppression... they are condoning racism by equating it to meaningless crap.


Good day.
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Sorry but I'm not the one that is excusing racism by minorities because of...and I quote your words...."unjust discrimination".

And you cannot condone racism by equating it to meaningless crap. Even if you consider it "meaningless crap" and I don't I am still condeming it. Can't condone something that you are condemning. Nice try though.
 
ecofarm said:
It happens here all the time. Racists have two favorite tactics:

1. Equating racism with meaningless crap.
2. Calling everyone else a racist for ridiculous reasons.
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Re #2: :lamo Really? Conservatives call everyone else racists? I would bet that if you tallied up the amount of times that democrats have called those that do not like Obama and his policies as racists and then tallied up the amount of times that conservatives have called "everyone else" racists the democrats would win by a mile. And you might want to note that the democrats have the better end of the deal as they only have to tally up references to Obama while conservatives get "everyone else".
 
grip said:
I'm surprised eco has got to keep pounding away at this. It's obvious that 'yes' blacks can be literally be racist by a dictionaries definition of the word, but the social impact and intent will never equal what it means to them.

Blacks can call me whitey, cracker, hillbilly, redneck trash and it will never have the emtoional impact on me that it does on them being called the "N" word. Mostly, because they're subtley discriminated against a majority of their lives by the financially dominate, Eurasian global-centric economy. It's sad but a true reality. There are more and more successful blacks in high positions of business and gov than ever before, but still not as high a percentage per population. And obviously nobody is going to give them the highlife for nothing.

It's similar for latinos who've permeated the West, as very Mexican in culture. I don't think it benefits blacks-latinos to have a innate hate towards all white people or to blame their own personal failures for not getting ahead, but many start from a difficult set of circumstances. They end up perpetuating a cycle of bad habits, coming from poverty, lack of education, job opportunity, drugs, crime, gang culture and reliance on gov subsidies that carry on from generation to generation acquiring a negative stereotype as a majority.

So you can say "Awww... blacks can be just a racists as whites" and it's true, maybe even more so outwardly, but that will not change the reality of it carrying no significant impact financially/socially towards whites, because they're still controlling most of the opportunities. It took Europeans and American immigrants from Europe hundreds of years to become finanically dominate, and they're not going to give up a slice of their pie to any culture or race they deem as inferior and unworthy. Hell, they cut each others throats for success.
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he can pound away for ever, because the lie he keeps repeating will never stop being factually wrong :shrug:

"impact" is meaningless to the word racist/racism

NOBODY here is denying that racism has different impacts for different people we are all simply pointing out the lie that "black people can not be racist" and laughing at how mentally retarded that "lie" is

nobody educate and honest buys it
 
ecofarm said:
No one is condoning anything. Except, of course, racists and the ignorant equating BS with oppression... they are condoning racism by equating it to meaningless crap.


Good day.
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another post that gets destroyed by another poster and you still have ZERO facts to support your repeated lie.

Please post any factual support you have for said lie now, Thank you.
Until then, the comedy that is your lie will continue to be laughed at and mocked because its one of the most factually wrong, dishonest, unsupportable and mentally retarded lies on DP.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Y'know the definition of racism in the eyes of conservatives? If it's an racist act, that's not racism, but it's somebody performing a constitutionally-protected act - but if it's liberals pointing out racism, well, it's obviously the liberals who are being racist!
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I dunno about the conservatives YOU know, but that is not even close to how any I have met view racism....
 
Seriously, stop pretending you don't know how to use a dictionary. Dictionary entries are exclusive to each other. When you first are taught how to use a dictionary, you learn this.
 
Kal'Stang said:
This makes no sense.
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In the poll, "which is more important, the right to discriminate or freedom from discrimination", who was it that was defending the "right" to discriminate? Conservatives, particularly right-leaning libertarians.

But when we on the left point out racism or even mention race, how many times do those on the right claim that we're being "racially divisive", that we're the "real" racists?

Are you really going to claim you haven't seen this?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
In the poll, "which is more important, the right to discriminate or freedom from discrimination", who was it that was defending the "right" to discriminate? Conservatives, particularly right-leaning libertarians.

But when we on the left point out racism or even mention race, how many times do those on the right claim that we're being "racially divisive", that we're the "real" racists?

Are you really going to claim you haven't seen this?
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So you're trying to say what? That the right does the same as the left? That's nothing new. :shrug:
 
The Mark said:
I dunno about the conservatives YOU know, but that is not even close to how any I have met view racism....
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Then you haven't read what's been written by several of the conservatives right here on DP. Of course, they'll swear up and down they're not racist....
 
Kal'Stang said:
So you're trying to say what? That the right does the same as the left? That's nothing new. :shrug:
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Don't try to twist things, guy - you know better than that and I'll call you on it every time. Are you going to claim that the left defends the "right" to discriminate, to tell people "we won't serve you because we don't believe in serving people of your color"? No? Because that's PRECISELY what several of your fellows on the right were saying on the thread I referred to. So how the heck are we on the left doing the same thing as the right? We aren't. The left is not the same thing and the right - that's a false equivalency and nothing more.
 
ecofarm said:
I've been ignoring this for a while, but I noticed this in the right column and I really must point out how stupid that claim is.

An individual, by themselves, cannot 'do racism'. Racism requires the act of an entity (individual or otherwise) supported by systemic unjust discrimination.

Seriously, one needn't be smart to understand that.
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You are deliberately ignoring the 'dictionary' definition that says it's the belief that one (an individual!) holds that one race is superior to another. Agent J posted it clearly for you, as did I.

How smart do you need to be to read the dictionary and understand it?
 
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