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Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?


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You're equating racial bigotry with a social construct.

Have you ever called someone an "institutional racist"? No. Stop pretending that differentiating between types of oppression constitutes an change of context from social to individual.

I'm actually just using the definition of the word.
 
You're equating racial bigotry with a social construct.

Have you ever called someone an "institutional racist"? No. Stop pretending that differentiating between types of oppression constitutes an change of context from social to individual.

Institutional racism is explicit within institutions, it's not basic racism. It's a type of (real) racism.

correct because thats what you are talking about that takes a GROUP of people hence the adjective institutionalized LMAO

and a singular person is just racist

each post you make it further proves your statments wrong and increase thier fail

I love it, facts win again
 
I'm actually just using the definition of the word.

You're using 1. and ignoring 2. and 3. of the most basic definition.

You're reducing to the absurd.
 
Anyone reading Agent J; any comment on his position?
 
We're not that far apart in our conceptualization of the subject. We both agree that racism is is based on discrimination, ignorance and social conformity.

What do you think about what Sterling said about Magic Johnson? He seemed to be basing his opinion on misfacts and ignorance?
I don't have much detail on that event, but from the sounds of things, Sterling is an old racist who doesn't realize it's wrong.
 
You're using 1. and ignoring 2. and 3. of the most basic definition.

Okay, dude, I'm going to sleep. You can continue to argue that someone using one definition of a word is wrong because he's not using all of them. Good luck. (Hopefully I used the words "good" and "luck" correctly in every definition, not just one or two)
 
sounds like he was just trying to save face from his racist remarks to me

not to mention whats his example, he told his ugly whore that she could **** magic just dont bring him to the games or take pictures with him lol

He doesn't look very well or cogent.

In your example of racism in the OP is it based on personal experience, as a rule of thumb or simply an emotional bias not grounded in reality?

I had a problem with hiring males in my profession. I'd try some but a majority of my employees were female, because the men literally were dishonest and arrogant. Though some of them were very experienced and smart, I never benefited because they were lazy, unproductive, required higher salaries and petty thieves. I couldn't afford to keep hiring, training and firing them after awhile. It was a literal reality for me.
 
Okay, dude, I'm going to sleep. You can continue to argue that someone using one definition of a word is wrong because he's not using all of them. Good luck. (Hopefully I used the words "good" and "luck" correctly in every definition, not just one or two)

Your definition is incomplete. You are reducing the definition to the absurd by only using the most basic element of the concept. Even the dictionary includes 'system, policy'.

Have you ever heard of someone "doing racism"?

No. Because it's not an individual action, it's a social construct.
 
Your definition is incomplete. You are reducing the definition to the absurd by only using the most basic element of the concept. Even the dictionary includes 'system, policy'.

It's not my definition. I didn't make it up.


Okay, see ya.
 
The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


Am I a racist, is this racism?

For reference here the definition of racism:

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
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Seems like it to me. What would be the remedy? Or is Agent J allowed to make hiring decisions without interference?
 
It's not my definition. I didn't make it up.


Okay, see ya.

I know it's not your definition. It's the most basic individual action of a social construct.

You're equating any recognition of race whatsoever to lifetimes of oppression continuing today. That's disgusting.
 
1.)He doesn't look very well or cogent.
2.)In your example of racism in the OP is it based on personal experience, as a rule of thumb or simply an emotional bias not grounded in reality?
3.)I had a problem with hiring males in my profession. I'd try some but a majority of my employees were female, because the men literally were dishonest and arrogant. Though some of them were very experienced and smart, I never benefited because they were lazy, unproductive, required higher salaries and petty thieves. I couldn't afford to keep hiring, training and firing them after awhile. It was a literal reality for me.

1.) no he doesnt
2.) it wasnt based on anything really, i just made up a scenario where by definition a minority was being factually racist.
I wanted to see how many apologists, enablers and or dishonest posters would lie and say it wasnt racism.
3.) sounds like a lot of the workforce to me unfortunately.
 
1.)Seems like it to me.
2.) What would be the remedy?
3.) Or is Agent J allowed to make hiring decisions without interference?

1.) thats good because facts and 10+ definitions in this thread all support that thought
2.) youll have to be more specific. Remedy to what exactly?

If caught doing this its illegal and the law will take action.

If its just a person opinion you are looking to remedy that may or may not be able to happen.
Theres no legal course of action nor would i want there to be. But we can try to provide better education to those lacking in that deparment

3.) of course no i have to follow the same rules as everybody else
 
I know it's not your definition. It's the most basic individual action of a social construct.

You're equating any recognition of race whatsoever to lifetimes of oppression continuing today. That's disgusting.

another failed lie with ZERO support. COuld you please back up any of these claims with one fact . . . one lol

22 pages long and every post you made has been destroyed and proven wrong.
 
Anyone reading Agent J; any comment on his position?

LOL this just confirms that you are and i havent given "my" position on anythign here. I like the vast majority of posters have only pointed out the facts and that your statments are factually false :D
 
You're using 1. and ignoring 2. and 3. of the most basic definition.

You're reducing to the absurd.

Well you just also proved you dont know how definitions work. Thanks for proving us right again.
 
1.) no he doesnt
2.) it wasnt based on anything really, i just made up a scenario where by definition a minority was being factually racist.
I wanted to see how many apologists, enablers and or dishonest posters would lie and say it wasnt racism.
3.) sounds like a lot of the workforce to me unfortunately.

A big part of the problem is that the wrong questions are being asked. You can't help fix anything, till you identify it correctly. I believe some form of discrimination, whether based on culture, race, education/privilege, status, profession etc will always exist. Part of evolution is the ability to learn from mistakes and envy and grouping is an innate human trait. Trying to make that go away is like chasing the wind, but providing equal opportunity and encouraging higher standards can eventually be achieved.

The male superiority complex is a crappy problem for the workforce and society in general. That's something that needs to change in time.
 
1.)A big part of the problem is that the wrong questions are being asked.
2.)You can't help fix anything, till you identify it correctly.
3.) I believe some form of discrimination, whether based on culture, race, education/privilege, status, profession etc will always exist.
4.) Part of evolution is the ability to learn from mistakes and envy and grouping is an innate human trait.
5.) Trying to make that go away is like chasing the wind
6.) but providing equal opportunity and encouraging higher standards can eventually be achieved.
7.)The male superiority complex is a crappy problem for the workforce and society in general. That's something that needs to change in time.

1.) agreed
2.) also agreed this is why idiotically dismissing certain types of racism based on feelings is counterproductive and part of the problem.
3.) also agreed
4.) i agree here to but ignorance and ignorant teaching is what inflates this to be race based or gender based etc
5.) yep its gonna be around while past our lives and our kids lives
6.) I agree with this 100% too. Equal rights does help and has proven itself
7.) Agree and it has not as fast as it should but it has
 
1.) thats good because facts and 10+ definitions in this thread all support that thought
2.) youll have to be more specific. Remedy to what exactly?

If caught doing this its illegal and the law will take action.

If its just a person opinion you are looking to remedy that may or may not be able to happen.
Theres no legal course of action nor would i want there to be. But we can try to provide better education to those lacking in that deparment

3.) of course no i have to follow the same rules as everybody else

If Agent J was a governmental worker or contractor, it seems that he would be subject to some kind of sanction for racist hiring practices. However if he is a private contractor, it seems that he should hire whoever he would like with out interference. Hopefully if his racist ways are discovered by his clientele, they will relieve him of his duties. Free markets can punish bad behavior too.
 
1.)If Agent J was a governmental worker or contractor, it seems that he would be subject to some kind of sanction for racist hiring practices.
2.) However if he is a private contractor, it seems that he should hire whoever he would like with out interference.
3.) Hopefully if his racist ways are discovered by his clientele, they will relieve him of his duties.
4.) Free markets can punish bad behavior too.

1.) actually he would be in trouble no matter where he worked if caught
2.) he already is free to do so like everybody and just about everything else as long as he doesnt violate others rights or break the law
3.) hopefully he gets caught breaking the law and then rights and justice wins
4.) yes it "can" but it can also flourish it.

Ill stick with rights and the law. If the public join in a legal fashion and help, thats awesome too.
 
1.) agreed
2.) also agreed this is why idiotically dismissing certain types of racism based on feelings is counterproductive and part of the problem.
3.) also agreed
4.) i agree here to but ignorance and ignorant teaching is what inflates this to be race based or gender based etc
5.) yep its gonna be around while past our lives and our kids lives
6.) I agree with this 100% too. Equal rights does help and has proven itself
7.) Agree and it has not as fast as it should but it has

4.) That's the big one. Passing down cultural/social bad habits by example. And I agree with you that over compensating doesn't, necessarily, put things back in order.

I see these science fiction movies/tv shows, where everyone is treated pretty much the same, though there is still animosity where differences exist. Some of our competitive, violent tendencies are almost biological in origin and won't be sufficiently suppressed for many generations.


1.) actually he would be in trouble no matter where he worked if caught
2.) he already is free to do so like everybody and just about everything else as long as he doesnt violate others rights or break the law
3.) hopefully he gets caught breaking the law and then rights and justice wins
4.) yes it "can" but it can also flourish it.

Ill stick with rights and the law. If the public join in a legal fashion and help, thats awesome too.

I believe this is the most important aspect in allowing society to have enough freedom to express itself, even with bad behavior, without being oppressed by gov't.

The Law is meant to be a blunt tool for correction and to keep society civil, without too much constriction. We seem to do better as a whole, when there's more of a "live and let live" atmosphere than a mob like political scene.
 
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4.) That's the big one. Passing down cultural/social bad habits by example. And I agree with you that over compensating doesn't, necessarily, put things back in order.

I see these science fiction movies/tv shows, where everyone is treated pretty much the same, though there is still animosity where differences exist. Some of our competitive, violent tendencies are almost biological in origin and won't be sufficiently suppressed for many generations.

agreed and it wont, out natural current culture wont let it

with ignorant teachings and history books, movies and all types of media and propaganda it isnt going anywhere.

We can only hope to minimize it and on many issues we have, on some we have not but we are making progress thankfully.

This is why Im always amazed by my parents
I tell the sroty a lot but i have no idea how they didnt have chips on thier shoulders. There were an interracial couple when it was basically illegal. they lost "friends" family jobs got kicked out of places for it etc etc.

Hell my uncle lost and eye and was nearly killed simply because he choose to walk home from school a different way.
My aunt was kidnapped and my grandfather caught the guy and began to beat him up. Luckily some OK cops showed up and ler my uncle (you know the dad of the girl being kidnapped) go. No charges just everybody go your own way.

thats CRAZY to think about.

Im cool and collective and happy almost all the time but i cant help but wonder if i grew up in that world . . . . would I be?

Im so thankful for the role model they bother were and what they taught me. Race was never taught to be an excuse nor was racism ever taught . . obviously since they were an interracial couple lol
 
agreed and it wont, out natural current culture wont let it

with ignorant teachings and history books, movies and all types of media and propaganda it isnt going anywhere.

We can only hope to minimize it and on many issues we have, on some we have not but we are making progress thankfully.

This is why Im always amazed by my parents
I tell the sroty a lot but i have no idea how they didnt have chips on thier shoulders. There were an interracial couple when it was basically illegal. they lost "friends" family jobs got kicked out of places for it etc etc.

Hell my uncle lost and eye and was nearly killed simply because he choose to walk home from school a different way.
My aunt was kidnapped and my grandfather caught the guy and began to beat him up. Luckily some OK cops showed up and ler my uncle (you know the dad of the girl being kidnapped) go. No charges just everybody go your own way.

thats CRAZY to think about.

Im cool and collective and happy almost all the time but i cant help but wonder if i grew up in that world . . . . would I be?

Im so thankful for the role model they bother were and what they taught me. Race was never taught to be an excuse nor was racism ever taught . . obviously since they were an interracial couple lol


Excellent story of example for others to hear. I actually grew up in a very racist setting back in the 70's south, but it was more like just stupid names and avoidance than active confrontation. My parents though, were not racist at all, which was almost peculiar considering my father was originally a hillbilly. They treated everybody pretty much the same way and never taught me to hate. My friends were the worst source of ignorance, but as I finally matured, none of that stuff I heard stuck.

It really never did compute for me to dislike anyone for something they have no choice over. Like in school, the worst thing you could call someone back then was gay, and I really never knew why. By my early 20's, in the 1980's, I had a room mate who turned out to be homosexual and was terrified I'd 'out him'. Back then he would've lost his job and possible career, especially being a teacher. I told him there was no reason for me to tell anyone, it was his business.

It is amazing how much things have changed.

BTW, very glad to hear your recent health scare wasn't anything too significant. :mrgreen:
 
I believe this is the most important aspect in allowing society to have enough freedom to express itself, even with bad behavior, without being oppressed by gov't.

The Law is meant to be a blunt tool for correction and to keep society civil, without too much constriction. We seem to do better as a whole, when there's more of a "live and let live" atmosphere than a mob like political scene.

I agree but a secondary issue is people dont agree what "live and let live" means

any government intervention even when they are doing thier job and protecting rights is not live and let live by some people's standards
 
Excellent story of example for others to hear. I actually grew up in a very racist setting back in the 70's south, but it was more like just stupid names and avoidance than active confrontation. My parents though, were not racist at all, which was almost peculiar considering my father was originally a hillbilly. They treated everybody pretty much the same way and never taught me to hate. My friends were the worst source of ignorance, but as I finally matured, none of that stuff I heard stuck.

It really never did compute for me to dislike anyone for something they have no choice over. Like in school, the worst thing you could call someone back then was gay, and I really never knew why. By my early 20's, in the 1980's, I had a room mate who turned out to be homosexual and was terrified I'd 'out him'. Back then he would've lost his job and possible career, especially being a teacher. I told him there was no reason for me to tell anyone, it was his business.

It is amazing how much things have changed.

BTW, very glad to hear your recent health scare wasn't anything too significant. :mrgreen:

yep life is too short for people to judge on such silly premises and its good to know your parents and mine seem to be cut from the same cloth on that front.

also thanks about the health scare it was quite the scare actually, Easily the longest month of my life.
 
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