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Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?


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Yes. This is absolutely racist.
 
And individual CAN'T be an institutional racist.

They can only be a racist.

If they live in a society that supports racism (institutional racism), they are still racist, but have the protection of a culture that accepts/supports such activities and thoughts.


So, you're equating socially meaningless BS (a minority being a racial bigot) with oppression every day of ones life.

Very nice.
 
So, you're equating socially meaningless BS (a minority being a racial bigot) with oppression every day of ones life.

Very nice.
Both are racism. But the latter is institutionalized racism, which is far worse, for obvious reasons.


Edit: You're worried that using the term "racism" for even the smallest fragment of racial bigotry dilutes the impact of the word.

I'M worried that calling racial bigotry anything other than racism might change the very meaning of the word.

Too many word meanings change as it is.
 
Both are racism. But the latter is institutionalized racism, which is far worse, for obvious reasons.

Racism is not an individual act. It can only be created by society. "Institutional racism" is the only real racism. Other crap is just bigotry being drummed up as generational oppression.
 
Racism is not an individual act. It can only be created by society. "Institutional racism" is the only real racism. Other crap is just bigotry being drummed up as generational oppression.
To me, racial bigotry = racism.
 
To me, racial bigotry = racism.

That plays into racists' narrative that real racism doesn't exist. By equating real oppression with spewing crap, the illusion is created that being a racial bigot in the majority is the same as being a racial bigot in the minority and it is not.

If you can understand that institutional racism is worse, then you can understand that a majority doing it is worse (from a social perspective). So, if a majority doing it is worse... why should we call it the same thing?

The majority doing it wouldn't be worse if there was not systemic unjust discrimination present in the status quo. The denial of that status quo is required to equate the two.

The racists seek to deny the status quo through the equating of racial bigotry by a majority power in systemic discrimination with spewing crap.

Because if what they're doing is just spewing crap, it's not so bad... right?


I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.
 
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To me, racial bigotry = racism.

In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.
 
In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.

Racism is ending. Free people will dispose of it.
 
In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.

thats not his argument at all, his argument is that minorities and or people not in power can NOT be racists. That argument fails and is factually wrong, 10+ definitions prove it wrong and any theory like that is dishonest and mentally inept and gets nothing but laughed at. The fastest way not to be taken seriously on this issue is to say minorities cant be racist lol.
 
I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.

then stop posting lies and accept the facts that can be proven while all you have is "nu-huh" lol

10+ definitions prove you factually wrong and you cant post ONE thing to change it not one.
Facts win again :)
 
The main problem with Eco's argument is that he is talking about oppression and the sociological effect of the oppressive majority. In Eco's argument racism merely a tool used by the oppressive majority. In such a scenario racism is just one of the many tools to be used against sections of society.

Meanwhile the poll and the entire conversation has been centered post after post on individual racism.

Eco I know that you are here to stand by your assertions on racism. But perhaps if all of the posters here do not impress you and your Joe Feagin parrot show then I would suggest reading this Q and A that was answered by a Sociologist that just happens to a man of color with experiences well beyond yours or mine on this very subject.

Question of the Month

"Conceptualizing racism as prejudice plus discriminatory acts that are “central to the core operations of the U.S. society” is knotty for me. The fact that relatively few blacks can hurt whites does not mean that no blacks can hurt whites. I see racism as operating on all levels from the individual with irrational bigotry throwing a brick to the unintentional (and intentional) race-based privilege that pervades a culture. Feagin is right to highlight the often unseen ways that white racism permeates the culture. However, he underestimates the power (and importance) of everyday racist actions by individuals of all hues and statuses. His conceptualization gives “free pass” to blacks and other minorities to hold racial prejudices and, when possible, act in discriminatory ways against whites. Moreover, his conceptualization takes victimhood to a level that encompasses all blacks, no matter their economic, social, or political standing. "
 
Racism is not an individual act. It can only be created by society. "Institutional racism" is the only real racism. Other crap is just bigotry being drummed up as generational oppression.

100% factually false, repeating this lie will never make it true.

these 10 definitions prove your statement to be 100% false

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
https://www.google.com/search?num=3...XEsATUsYDIDA&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&biw=1600&bih=815

Facts win again :)
 
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That plays into racists' narrative that real racism doesn't exist. By equating real oppression with spewing crap, the illusion is created that being a racial bigot in the majority is the same as being a racial bigot in the minority and it is not.

If you can understand that institutional racism is worse, then you can understand that a majority doing it is worse (from a social perspective). So, if a majority doing it is worse... why should we call it the same thing?

The majority doing it wouldn't be worse if there was not systemic unjust discrimination present in the status quo. The denial of that status quo is required to equate the two.

The racists seek to deny the status quo through the equating of racial bigotry by a majority power in systemic discrimination with spewing crap.

Because if what they're doing is just spewing crap, it's not so bad... right?


I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.
I can see your position, kinda.

I myself think that racism is racism, no matter who is doing it - but I can also follow the thinking behind "if the racist is from a majority with past and possibly current institutionalized racism, they have more....power...behind their racism".

On the other hand I wouldn't call trolling racism - the person doing so isn't really racist, they're just...trolling.
 
I can see your position, kinda.

Keep trying and you'll see it more clearly, and you'll start to understand the implications.

On the other hand I wouldn't call trolling racism - the person doing so isn't really racist, they're just...trolling.

From a social perspective, as opposed to defining a social construct by the individual, one can see clearly that a minority talking crap is no more significant than trolling and -that- should not be equated with lifelong inescapable oppression.

Have you ever heard of someone doing racism? No. Why? Because it's not an individual act. It requires social backing.
 
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As Maggie said that is racist. The only person that will probably disagree is Eco.

lol ain't that the truth.

Eco and the dictionary do not see eye to eye on this subject.
 
thats not his argument at all, his argument is that minorities and or people not in power can NOT be racists. That argument fails and is factually wrong, 10+ definitions prove it wrong and any theory like that is dishonest and mentally inept and gets nothing but laughed at. The fastest way not to be taken seriously on this issue is to say minorities cant be racist lol.

I've heard his argument in context before and I don't believe he's wrong.

Sure, any minority can display traits of racism as a group majority or to varying degrees individually, but it's not always a comparable effect.

What are 10+ definitions?
 
1.)I've heard his argument in context before and I don't believe he's wrong.

2.)Sure, any minority can display traits of racism as a group majority or to varying degrees individually, but it's not always a comparable effect.

3.)What are 10+ definitions?

1.) are you suggesting that the 10+ definitions in this thread are wrong
because let me be VERY clear, im only talking about facts and the definition of the word racism/racist.

when asked he said minorities and people not power can NOT be racist. That statement is factually fasle.

and drivel of a different topic about effects/power/impact is 100% meanignless to the words racism/racist.

2.) see you already agree with the facts and disagree with his lies. You just said " any minority can display traits of racism". He disagrees with that fact.
arguments about effect/power/minority/impact all are meaningless to the definition they have zero impact.

if you would like to make statments like if there is only ONE asian guy in a country or 1 million white guys and he doesn't like whites based on race that that has little "impact" I agree but that asian guiy is still 100% racist and id practising racism. THis fact will never change.

3.) they are in the op and thread various times. I personally only posted 10 but other posters also poster more.
 
From a social perspective, as opposed to defining everything by the individual, on can see clearly that a minority talking crap is no more significant than trolling and -that- should not be equated with lifelong inescapable oppression.
No.

Trolling is one thing. Racial bigotry is quite another. Institutionalized racism is yet another.

Racial bigotry is by no means "talking crap", either - it's far worse than just saying some BS - it's racism. Cultural racism - your "social structure racism", is worst of all.

But dismissing a racist's racism as unworthy of censure because they're in the minority is absolutely unacceptable to me. ANY racial bigotry is abhorrent. Institutionalized racism must be destroyed - it is completely unacceptable.
 
lol ain't that the truth.

Eco and the dictionary do not see eye to eye on this subject.

I rarely see eye-to-eye with those that rely on the dictionary for understanding. It's the most basic explanation of sometimes complicated concepts. Stepping it up to an encyclopedia would be better, getting grad degrees including sociology would make astute understanding even more likely.

But, hey, some are 'dictionary people'. As if others have not read the same. As if the most rudimentary understanding is all that exists. They wish because then there wouldn't be 'stupid'. If a dictionary was all that was required to grasp something, we could all be brilliant.
 
No.

Trolling is one thing. Racial bigotry is quite another.

Racial bigotry by a minority is trolling. It means nothing socially to a white person. It's not a social threat at all. But when a white does it, it is a threat because society could get worse for minorities and it's bad enough already.

A black saying they hate whites means nothing to me. It will never affect my ability to get employment, housing, schooling, justice, etc. A white saying they hate blacks carries real threat.
 
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1.) are you suggesting that the 10+ definitions in this thread are wrong
because let me be VERY clear, im only talking about facts and the definition of the word racism/racist.

when asked he said minorities and people not power can NOT be racist. That statement is factually fasle.

and drivel of a different topic about effects/power/impact is 100% meanignless to the words racism/racist.

2.) see you already agree with the facts and disagree with his lies. You just said " any minority can display traits of racism". He disagrees with that fact.
arguments about effect/power/minority/impact all are meaningless to the definition they have zero impact.

if you would like to make statments like if there is only ONE asian guy in a country or 1 million white guys and he doesn't like whites based on race that that has little "impact" I agree but that asian guiy is still 100% racist and id practising racism. THis fact will never change.

3.) they are in the op and thread various times. I personally only posted 10 but other posters also poster more.



A definition of bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Does this mean you're displaying bigotry towards me? You're going to extremes and taking things out of context.
 
A definition of bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

1.)Does this mean you're displaying bigotry towards me?
2.)You're going to extremes and taking things out of context.

1.) bigotry has nothing to do with the question in the OP
and to answer your question the answer is no because im not discussing any OPINIONS here.
2.) this is also false the context is MINE LMAO and the OP and the definition of racism/racist. There is no other context.

if you disagree simply answer this question, its a yes no question.

Can a minority and person not in power be racist and practice racism? yes or no?
 
1.)Racial bigotry by a minority is trolling.
2.) It means nothing socially to a white person.
3.) It's not a social threat at all.
4.) But when a white does it, it is a threat because society could get worse for minorities and it's bad enough already.
5.)A black saying they hate whites means nothing to me.
6.) It will never affect my ability to get employment, housing, schooling, justice, etc.
7.) A white saying they hate blacks carries real threat.

1.) 100% fale proven by 10+ definitions
2.) meanignless to the definition and facts
3.) see #2
4.) see #2
5.) see #2
6.) see #2
7.) see #2

your posts and the lies in them are destroyed and lose to facts again lol
 
Racial bigotry by a minority is trolling. It means nothing socially to a white person. It's not a social threat at all. But when a white person does it, it is a threat because society could get worse for minorities and it's bad enough already.

A black saying they hate whites means nothing to me. It will never affect my ability to get employment, housing, schooling, justice, etc. A white saying they hate blacks carries real threat.
I would agree that it's not much of a threat, apart from possibly at an individual level ("I'm going to harm/kill you because you're white", for example).

But it is by no means trolling - trolling is just looking for a response - racism is belief that a person is less than you because of their race - FAR worse IMO.

And racism from a minority DOES mean something to me (one of the whitest mfers you'll ever see).
I don't expect it to cause me issue, because you're quite right to say that being in the majority has it's perks - white persons like myself never expect to be discriminated against due to race. Or at least not to any degree that it would cause much issue.

But....

I do consider it a threat to society as a whole. Racism is unacceptable in any form, no matter who the source is. I would be more tolerant of minority on majority racism, however. Majority on minority racism is indeed more threatening, but I view it as a threat to society as a whole - which includes both majority and minority.
 
I rarely see eye-to-eye with those that rely on the dictionary for understanding. It's the most basic explanation of sometimes complicated concepts. Stepping it up to an encyclopedia would be better, getting grad degrees including sociology would make astute understanding even more likely.

But, hey, some are 'dictionary people'. As if others have not read the same. As if the most rudimentary understanding is all that exists. They wish because then there wouldn't be 'stupid'. If a dictionary was all that was required to grasp something, we could all be brilliant.

I agree this is why your posts are so far behind because dictionaries, encyclopedia, sociology and facts all prove your statments wrong and you fail to grasp that reality. all of them :D
 
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