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Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?

Is this scenario racism, Can minorities be racist?


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The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


Am I a racist, is this racism?

For reference here the definition of racism:

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
https://www.google.com/search?num=3...XEsATUsYDIDA&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&biw=1600&bih=815






People who have little economic or societal power's 'racism' will have little effect on those that it targets.

Why should I care if you hate me if you can't have any effect on my life?

Think about it.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ RobertGreen Ingersoll
 
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Am I a racist, is this racism?
No fake landscaper scenario is needed. You have already convinced me via your posts in the past here.
 
1.) People who have little economic or societal power's 'racism' will have little effect on those that it targets.
2.)Why should I care if you hate me if you can't have any effect on my life?
3.)Think about it.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ RobertGreen Ingersoll

1.) didnt ask about power or effect, nor do those things matter to the factual definition of racism.
2.) never suggested you personally should care
3.) you didnt give me anythign to think about at all, your post has ZERO impact to my question

now if you would like to discuss an individual's or group's ability to impact others based on race, gender, minority, majority in different areas/time frames feel free to do so in another thread/
Honestly I might even agree with with you that minority vs majority vs time vs where does all matter to "impact" but those things change nothing about my question or the OP.
 
Yes, it's racism. The definition of racism doesn't include exemptions for someone in a minority situation. The population you are around doesn't make the act of racism any more or less racism itself. You could be an Asian guy that is racist against Arabs yet you live in an Asian nation where your race is a majority. Say your company has a contract in the UAE and you move there, now that you are a minority in a predominantly Arab area gives no justification or reversal of the fact that just because the Asian person in the example is now a minority that their mentality or actions are somehow not racist. Racism isn't defined based on the individual's race and anyone from any race is capable of being racist. Minorities, majorities, or even people that aren't even part of that population looking in can be racist.
 
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No fake landscaper scenario is needed. You have already convinced me via your posts in the past here.

please feel free to present your factual proof, thanks.
also feel free to answer what race am I and what race am i racist against
 
1.)Yes, it's racism.
2.) The definition of racism doesn't include exemptions for someone in a minority situation.
3.) The population you are around doesn't make the act of racism any more or less racism itself.
4.) You could be an Asian guy that is racist against Arabs yet you live in an Asian nation where your race is a majority.
5.) Say your company has a contract in the UAE and you move there, now that you are a minority in a predominantly Arab area gives no justification or reversal of the fact that just because the Asian person in the example is now a minority that their mentality or actions are somehow not racist.
6.) Racism isn't defined based on the individuals race and anyone from any race is capable of being racist.
7.) Minorities, majorities, or even people that aren't even part of that population looking in can be racist.

1-7) all 100% correct back up by the factual definition of the words racist and racism.
 
1.) didnt ask about power or effect, nor do those things matter to the factual definition of racism.
2.) never suggested you personally should care
3.) you didnt give me anythign to think about at all, your post has ZERO impact to my question

now if you would like to discuss an individual's or group's ability to impact others based on race, gender, minority, majority in different areas/time frames feel free to do so in another thread/





Honestly I might even agree with with you that minority vs majority vs time vs where does all matter to "impact" but those things change nothing about my question or the OP.




I said what I wanted to say, and as far as this topics concerned, that's the end of it for me.

Powerless people's 'racism' has no real impact on other peoples lives.

On the other hand, when people who have power are racist they have a huge impact on others lives.




I'm a results oriented person, I have no use or time for bull****.
 
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The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


Am I a racist, is this racism?

For reference here the definition of racism:

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
https://www.google.com/search?num=3...XEsATUsYDIDA&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&biw=1600&bih=815



Yes, that's racist.
 
1.)I said what I wanted to say, and as far as this topics concerned, that's the end of it for me.
2.) Powerless people's 'racism' has no real impact on other peoples lives.
3.)On the other hand, when people who have power are racist they have a huge impact on others lives.

1.) what you said had zero barring on the topic though, this fact wont change
2.) this is a nice opinion but the only thing that matters is the bolded part of your statement. its still 100% factually RACISIM regardless of the subjective opinion of its power
3.) again also meanignless to the word.

again its not that i disagree, its that the subjective opinion of power has zero impact on the definition of the word racist or racism do you agree with that fact?
 
Here's another question: Suppose the owner of the company apart from the choices he makes when acting on behalf of his business PERSONALLY gives preferential treatment to black-owned businesses when possible as a consumer. Instead of shopping for the best quality at the lowest prices where most convenient, he looks for businesses that are blacked owned as well and is even willing to pay a little more, be inconvenienced to some degree and sacrifice some level of quality in order to do so. His reasoning is not motivated by hate or thinking non-black owned businesses have some sort of problem he prejudicially imagines. Instead because he sees black owned businesses as a rarity and the black population in general economically depressed, he wishes to help them out with special consideration, at least until things improve in order to do what he can to keep as many of them as possible from going under. He doesn't do this exclusively, just when possible and happily shops at white owned businesses too when a black-owned option is not available. Is that also racist?
 
Absolutely and without question, you would be racist. Anyone who pays attention to skin color is, by definition, racist.
 
The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


Am I a racist, is this racism?

For reference here the definition of racism:

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
https://www.google.com/search?num=3...XEsATUsYDIDA&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&biw=1600&bih=815



Eco is the only ridiculous hyperbolist who actually believes only white people can be racist. This is definitively racist.

I said what I wanted to say, and as far as this topics concerned, that's the end of it for me.

Powerless people's 'racism' has no real impact on other peoples lives.

On the other hand, when people who have power are racist they have a huge impact on others lives.




I'm a results oriented person, I have no use or time for bull****.
People who have little economic or societal power's 'racism' will have little effect on those that it targets.

Why should I care if you hate me if you can't have any effect on my life?

Think about it.




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ RobertGreen Ingersoll



So you're saying because J is black, he's powerless and thus his racism isn't a threat to anyone? Jesus christ, racist much?

And please don't quote Robert Ingersoll in a post you claim black people are powerless. You completely and entirely missed his point.
 
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Eco is the only ridiculous hyperbolist who actually believes only white people can be racist. This is definitively racist.






So you're saying because J is black, he's powerless and thus his racism isn't a threat to anyone? Jesus christ, racist much?

And please don't quote Robert Ingersoll in a post you claim black people are powerless. You completely and entirely missed his point.




I'll quote who I want to quote, when I want to quote them until the 1st Amendment is repealed.

Do you have a problem with that?

If so, then **** off, I don't have time to waste on you or anyone else who supports censorship.

You'll never shut me up.

BTW, I'll continue to support your right to free speech at the same time that you're trying to shut me up.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
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The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


Am I a racist, is this racism?

For reference here the definition of racism:

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
https://www.google.com/search?num=3...XEsATUsYDIDA&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&biw=1600&bih=815



Of course it is racist and of course minorities can be racist.
 
The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.


Am I a racist, is this racism?

For reference here the definition of racism:

Racism:
rac·ist noun or adjective
1: a belief that
race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination


heres links to 9 more
racism noun - definition in the American English Dictionary - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
racism - definition of racism by Macmillan Dictionary
Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com
racism: definition of racism in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: racism
racism - definition of racism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Collins English Dictionary | Always Free Online
Heinle's Newbury House Dictionary of American English
https://www.google.com/search?num=3...XEsATUsYDIDA&ved=0CCgQvwUoAA&biw=1600&bih=815



Definitely yes. This idea that only whites can be racist is relative new and mostly confined to the United States. In my book any hatred of another race, any feeling of superiority based on race, the idea that you are better than someone else because of the color of your skin or that someone else if inferior because of that color is all racism. Ethnicity in my opinion can fall into the same category as racism. One can be of the same race and still be a racist because of different cultures, backgrounds, social standings, etc. Perhaps the right word might be bigot, but the hatred and feeling of superiority is still there. It may be based on one being lighter in skin color or darker, but of the same race. It may be in upbringing or based on religion, creed, and tradition.

In my travels around the world I have seen much more of the later than the former. But doesn’t hatred or the feeling someone else is inferior, untrustworthy as you put it of another for no other reason than skin color and I would include ethnic background, the same. I suppose what it is called may be two different words, but the actions, feelings, etc are the same. At least that is how I look at it regardless of what any dictionary may say.
 
I'll quote who I want to quote, when I want to quote them until the 1st Amendment is repealed.

Do you have a problem with that?

If so, then **** off, I don't have time to waste on you or anyone else who supports censorship.

You'll never shut me up.

BTW, I'll continue to support your right to free speech at the same time that you're trying to shut me up.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers

What a whiner. Clearly you have a right to free speech and you can say whatever you want here unless you violate a rule.

I just wanted to point out that Robert Ingersoll's quote was not in the context of calling all black people inferior. It made you look like an ignorant racist who has never actually read any of Ingersoll's work. Suggesting to someone that they shouldn't use contradictory quotes isn't censorship. If you think it is I truly worry about your education.

If J was white, how would that possibly change the power he has over people in his contracting company? Saying that black people can never be racist because they have no power in our society is some pretty racist hyperbole. You're one of those neo-nazi euros aren't you?
 
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Definitely yes. This idea that only whites can be racist is relative new and mostly confined to the United States. In my book any hatred of another race, any feeling of superiority based on race, the idea that you are better than someone else because of the color of your skin or that someone else if inferior because of that color is all racism. Ethnicity in my opinion can fall into the same category as racism. One can be of the same race and still be a racist because of different cultures, backgrounds, social standings, etc. Perhaps the right word might be bigot, but the hatred and feeling of superiority is still there. It may be based on one being lighter in skin color or darker, but of the same race. It may be in upbringing or based on religion, creed, and tradition.

In my travels around the world I have seen much more of the later than the former. But doesn’t hatred or the feeling someone else is inferior, untrustworthy as you put it of another for no other reason than skin color and I would include ethnic background, the same. I suppose what it is called may be two different words, but the actions, feelings, etc are the same. At least that is how I look at it regardless of what any dictionary may say.

well its not only in your book its in 10 other books(DICTIONARIES) also :)

so you are correct and anybody that disagrees that the OP scenario isnt racist has ZERO support for thier false and factually wrong claim.
 
What a whiner. Clearly you have a right to free speech and you can say whatever you want here unless you violate a rule.

I just wanted to point out that Robert Ingersoll's quote was not in the context of calling all black people inferior. It made you look like an ignorant racist who has never actually read any of Ingersoll's work. Suggesting to someone that they shouldn't use contradictory quotes isn't censorship. If you think it is I truly worry about your education.

If J was white, how would that possibly change the power he has over people in his contracting company? Saying that black people can never be racist because they have no power in our society is some pretty racist hyperbole.
You're one of those neo-nazi euros aren't you?




Nope, you're wrong again.

I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.

A few men with rocks can't defeat powerful empires.
 
well its not only in your book its in 10 other books(DICTIONARIES) also :)

so you are correct and anybody that disagrees that the OP scenario isnt racist has ZERO support for thier false and factually wrong claim.

Thank you my friend. It is common sense to me and I wish it would be to others.
 
Nope, you're wrong again.

I'm a realist, as I have said poor, powerless people's racism has very little effect on those that it's directed it towards.

A few men with rocks can't defeat powerful empires.

So basically, the southern boy farmhand at the local ball going on about how them damn blacks are destroying his country by their leeching on welfare and stealing our white women is someone who you don't care about in terms of whether or not they're racist or if they're thinking/acting that way?

And apparently, given your initial response to this hypothetical given no indication otherwise, someone who is the owner of a contractor company is someone who has "little economic or societal power, and thus whether or not they're racist or taking racists actions is something you wouldn't care about?

Just trying to better understand your point since you haven't directly answered the situation in the OP and have generally been rather vague in terms of full explanation of your stance and how it applies to the question.
 
Racism is not one person's opinion. Racism is a societal preference. A person's action is a symptom of societal prejudice. Can a minority person hold racist views? Of course. But their views are relatively harmless. Society will never act to enforce their views. For every comedian at the Apollo who makes fun of "whitey", white people aren't denied jobs based on their race. The OP's scenario is extremely unlikely and even if it happened once, it would never be widespread enough to make a significant impact on the prosperity of white people as a whole. Nobody decides they don't want to rent an apartment to a white family. Non-white families face that kind of discrimination frequently.

Donald Sterling saying that he doesn't want black people at his games... it doesn't really matter. Except that black people have been banned from public events, and are sometimes discouraged from going to them now. White people aren't. If a black owner had said the exact same thing about white people, it would have held no power. It could not realistically come to pass. That's what racism and bigotry and prejudice really are. Not one person shooting off their mouth. But the societal reinforcement behind it. That's racism with teeth. That's the only kind that matters.
 
well its not only in your book its in 10 other books(DICTIONARIES) also :)

so you are correct and anybody that disagrees that the OP scenario isnt racist has ZERO support for thier false and factually wrong claim.

You might want to check your double negative there. You are saying that the OP scenario is NOT racist and that anyone who disagrees and thinks it is, is factually wrong. But that does not appear to be what you mean.
 
Racism is not one person's opinion. Racism is a societal preference. A person's action is a symptom of societal prejudice. Can a minority person hold racist views? Of course. But their views are relatively harmless. Society will never act to enforce their views. For every comedian at the Apollo who makes fun of "whitey", white people aren't denied jobs based on their race. The OP's scenario is extremely unlikely and even if it happened once, it would never be widespread enough to make a significant impact on the prosperity of white people as a whole. Nobody decides they don't want to rent an apartment to a white family. Non-white families face that kind of discrimination frequently.

Donald Sterling saying that he doesn't want black people at his games... it doesn't really matter. Except that black people have been banned from public events, and are sometimes discouraged from going to them now. White people aren't. If a black owner had said the exact same thing about white people, it would have held no power. It could not realistically come to pass. That's what racism and bigotry and prejudice really are. Not one person shooting off their mouth. But the societal reinforcement behind it. That's racism with teeth. That's the only kind that matters.

10 definitions in this thread alone prove the bolded statements factually wrong.

The rest is opinion and some I even personally agree with but its still only opinion and has zero impact on the definition of what racism is.
The op is factually racist. Even if I was the only contracting company that practiced that way and there were 1 million others and unemployment was 0% it would still be factually racist and racism.

Impact/power has zero effect on the words racist and racism definition.

Just like if a 5'6" 150lb man with no formal ability or training to fight, who never lifted a weight in his life decided to threaten me and tell me in a room fool of people he is going to kill me. Its still a threat. The judge isnt going to say its relatively harmless, society doesnt take the little guy seriously, its not significant and he couldnt realistically kill you with his bare hands, so it doesnt matter and no so no laws were broken.
 
You might want to check your double negative there. You are saying that the OP scenario is NOT racist and that anyone who disagrees and thinks it is, is factually wrong. But that does not appear to be what you mean.

You are correct, the person i responded to got it but yes my verbiage was off in that post thanks.
 
The scenario:

Where: USA
When: today 5/12/2014

I'm a black guy that owns a contracting Company. Its smaller, about 20 employees.

Lets call it Agent J's Home Improvements and Landscaping.

I dont hire any white people, I think they arent trust worthy simply because they are white so I deny everyone that applies. For me White = dishonest.

Am I a racist, is this racism?

Of course it's "racism" although current social standards do allow for certain minority discretion in Western Cultures_

But I fully support your right to hire employees according to whatever standards you believe to be best for business_

And IMO; no government has the right to force a business owner to hire or cater to people they otherwise would not_

Of course this only works when we're all on the same page and there's no acceptions, exclusions or double standards_
 
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