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Gerrymandering within the GOP

Is gerrymandering good for America

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Csareo

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Well, I heard a lot of opinions, a lot of defenses, coupled with quite a few rants regarding gerrymandering. From what I have examined, gerrymandering is little more than "cheating" the American political system. I'm interested in presenting this question to a new community, in hopes if some justification for what many call "racist". You know, the whole effect = intention argument.

P.S - If someone could tell me how to change my profile pic, that would be great....
 
The SCOTUS supported gerrymandering; it was a critical part of the voting rights act. Why do you assume gerrymandering to be related to the GOP? Gerrymandering can (and does) work in two ways; to dilute or to concentrate a particular voting block.
 
The SCOTUS supported gerrymandering; it was a critical part of the voting rights act. Why do you assume gerrymandering to be related to the GOP? Gerrymandering can (and does) work in two ways; to dilute or to concentrate a particular voting block.

Ha, mainly because gerrymandering has been overall beneficial to the GOP, and not the Democratic Party. I wish it worked for the democrats, but unfortunately, it doesn't. Democrats have been its biggest proponent, criticizing the voters right act just as much as conservatives have bashed the affordable care act. Take Michigan for example. A blue voting state, but not one blue seat in government. Well, not enough. Its been the biggest victim of gerrymandering thus far.
 
Ha, mainly because gerrymandering has been overall beneficial to the GOP, and not the Democratic Party. I wish it worked for the democrats, but unfortunately, it doesn't. Democrats have been its biggest proponent, criticizing the voters right act just as much as conservatives have bashed the affordable care act. Take Michigan for example. A blue voting state, but not one blue seat in government. Well, not enough. Its been the biggest victim of gerrymandering thus far.

The bolded makes no sense. At the federal level MI has 100% (2) demorat US senators with 5 demorat US representatives and 9 republicant US representatives.
 
Well, I heard a lot of opinions, a lot of defenses, coupled with quite a few rants regarding gerrymandering. From what I have examined, gerrymandering is little more than "cheating" the American political system. I'm interested in presenting this question to a new community, in hopes if some justification for what many call "racist". You know, the whole effect = intention argument.

P.S - If someone could tell me how to change my profile pic, that would be great....

i can guide you through the avatar stuff via PM, if you'd like.

as for the OP, i am completely against gerrymandering by either side. i would draw districts via computer using only census data.
 
It would be a good start here to do a little research before posting.

Check out the picture below of the NC 12th District. It was designed by a Democrat controlled state legislature to ensure and almost all black congressional district. It almost looks like the original gerrymandered district that had the named penned after.

redistricting-12.jpg


The original:

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Really? Don't visit California much and see those congressional district lines do you?


Ha, mainly because gerrymandering has been overall beneficial to the GOP, and not the Democratic Party. I wish it worked for the democrats, but unfortunately, it doesn't. Democrats have been its biggest proponent, criticizing the voters right act just as much as conservatives have bashed the affordable care act. Take Michigan for example. A blue voting state, but not one blue seat in government. Well, not enough. Its been the biggest victim of gerrymandering thus far.
 
The bolded makes no sense. At the federal level MI has 100% (2) demorat US senators with 5 demorat US representatives and 9 republicant US representatives.

Am not denying that democrats take advantage of this. Just the GOP a little more, considering the higher density of minority groups based in the south, and the historic flip of the parties north to south. Whatever the case, a "who's fault" argument is not necessary. I am more curious on the institution of gerrymandering itself.
 
i can guide you through the avatar stuff via PM, if you'd like.

as for the OP, i am completely against gerrymandering by either side. i would draw districts via computer using only census data.

Which census data and how? ;)
 
Really? Don't visit California much and see those congressional district lines do you?

You mean northern California? I will grant you a half concession. Still a hell of a lot of republicans in the north. Would you mind supplying a map?
 
Which census data and how? ;)

the districts would be drawn using population density data every ten years. political / other demographics would not be taken into account.
 
OMG it's that hard to type in CA Congressional District maps?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?...8BFFEB853D25C44E43EA00421E6D16C97&FORM=IQFRBA

And BTW the districting is done by political appointees of the ruling party not by north / south. We moved past north / south about a 150 years ago!

Nope. I always ask for the refuter to provide his own sources. Its not the duty of the opinionated to look up the refuters statement. Oh, and when I meant north, I meant north California.
 
Well, I heard a lot of opinions, a lot of defenses, coupled with quite a few rants regarding gerrymandering. From what I have examined, gerrymandering is little more than "cheating" the American political system. I'm interested in presenting this question to a new community, in hopes if some justification for what many call "racist". You know, the whole effect = intention argument.

P.S - If someone could tell me how to change my profile pic, that would be great....


Gerrymandering is cheating the system.Both sides are guilty of it. A person's sex, race, political affiliation, income, or what ever else should have absolutely nothing to do with how districts are drawn. Ideally district maps should be based on on adult population size alone and drawn out by a computer.
 
Well, I heard a lot of opinions, a lot of defenses, coupled with quite a few rants regarding gerrymandering. From what I have examined, gerrymandering is little more than "cheating" the American political system. I'm interested in presenting this question to a new community, in hopes if some justification for what many call "racist". You know, the whole effect = intention argument.

P.S - If someone could tell me how to change my profile pic, that would be great....

First, "Gerrymandering within the GOP" kind of highlights your mindset and bias right off the bat here. Gerrymandering is an endevour that has been going on for decades and both parties wantonly engage in it and specifically for political reasons. Suggesting this is only a problem within the GOP is just way off base. If your intent was just to talk about Gerrymandering in general then you shouldn't have called out and highlighted only one side in your title and OP. You can't throw a stone and then be shocked when people comment on the stone that you threw.

Second, suggesting it as "cheating" is kind of off base as well given the notion that cheating is breaking a law/rule/guideline/etc. Gerrymandering is a constitutionally legal process. Utilizing it by either party is not "cheating" within our political system.

Third, the only way to take politics out of the process of drawing districts would be to set up an equitable and fair algorithm and utilize that with a computer to draw the lines abscent input from any human source. The issue there, of course, is the process of determining and creating that algorithm is likely to be highly politicized in and of itself. An additional problem would be that, unlike with Gerrymandering which does potentially change over time based on the government makeup at the time the lines are being drawn, any political influence put into the creation of that original algorithm is likely to then remain there in an unbalancing factor for a significant time.

So in general for me...I'm not a FAN of gerrymandering, but until a reasonably logical and equitable alternative is made legitimately possible I don't support the removal of the process.
 
One time I tried to mander with Geri but she wouldn't have any part of it.
 
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