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Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

Who is more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun, or the one who doesn't?

  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 28 77.8%

  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • Total voters
    36
AJiveMan said:
I wonder why recently people fear the gubbermint? Don't they know of the checks and balances it would take to pass constitutional amendments or to change wording in that? Seems people are acting out of not knowing and desperation over what people talk about on MSM and talk radio, seems they're being fed bad pablum.
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I strongly suspect it has to do with history and the role government plays in our nation. During the Gilded Age government power was firmly and deeply on the side of business, corporations and the wealthy and you rarely saw anything about the big bad government. Then in the Progressive era starting at the turn of the century, government became more of an impartial referee in some areas and the wealthy did not like that. Then many saw the New Deal as putting government far too often on the side of the average person and that seemed to be the straw that broke the camel back of the far right.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Link to that absurd accusation.
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I will teach you how to find out what you need to know. Just do a search here using this term

HOPLOPHOBIA - it means a fear of guns. Put in the name of any prominent gun poster with it if you want to get more specific.

Then a veritable myriad ... or plethora if you prefer ... or even a cornucopia .... will appear before your eyes and you can read all the gun advocates here insult people who they perceive as their enemies with that charge.

here is one even titled FEAR OF GUNS

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/174940-nra-news-fear-guns.html

this will also assist you in furthering your research

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia

this is a video from NRA News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXv_uBxepfk

all confirm what I said in my post.
 
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haymarket said:
I will teach you how to find out what you need to know. Just do a search here using this term

HOPLOPHOBIA - it means a fear of guns. Put in the name of any prominent gun poster with it if you want to get more specific.

Then a veritable myriad ... or plethora if you prefer ... or even a cornucopia .... will appear before your eyes and you can read all the gun advocates here insult people who they perceive as their enemies with that charge.

here is one even titled FEAR OF GUNS

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/174940-nra-news-fear-guns.html

this will also assist you in furthering your research

Hoplophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this is a video from NRA News

Natalie Foster for NRA News: "Fear of Guns" - YouTube

all confirm what I said in my post.
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Those are not the context you used. The way you wrote it sounded like gun owners are in some fear. Not true at all. Sure we don't want to lose our rights.
But we don't fear anything like people who are antigun are usually in fear of the gun itself.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Umm, yes, kind of...after all, it's the entire point of the discussion we're having. Seriously, why don't you take the time to figure out what you're talking about and then once you understand, get back to me.

I take it this is your concession that you were wrong?
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Finally ratified in 1791. Unless you really want to say the bulk of it was ratified in 1788. But there is no concession to you on this issue.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Those are not the context you used. The way you wrote it sounded like gun owners are in some fear. Not true at all. Sure we don't want to lose our rights.
But we don't fear anything like people who are antigun are usually in fear of the gun itself.
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I provided what you asked for. What you do with it is immaterial to me. You were given what you questioned.

Regarding those people who you claim are "usually in fear of the gun itself".... since you seem to have some opinions about this, what do you think would cause fear of guns in normal rational people?
 
haymarket said:
I provided what you asked for. What you do with it is immaterial to me. You were given what you questioned.

Regarding those people who you claim are "usually in fear of the gun itself".... since you seem to have some opinions about this, what do you think would cause fear of guns in normal rational people?
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There is no normal rational fear of guns. People that fear guns had some defect in their up bringing.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Finally ratified in 1791. Unless you really want to say the bulk of it was ratified in 1788. But there is no concession to you on this issue.
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I'm well aware of when the Bill of Rights was finally ratified. What does that have to do with the fact nothing in there says anything about God? And what does that have to do with the Declaration of Independence, that you mentioned and had no bearing on this conversation at all?

If that wasn't a concession, then it should have been, as it's been made perfectly clear you were in the wrong. The Constitution/Bill of Rights are not "God given rights", as you tried to claim. There is nothing about God in the Constitution. You were wrong.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
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Seems pretty obvious that the one needing a gun is the one who is afraid. However, I am sure the gunners will find a way to twist this to mean that those who don't need guns are the ones who are really afraid.
 
CRUE CAB said:
There is no normal rational fear of guns. People that fear guns had some defect in their up bringing.
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So you can think of no rational reason why normal people would have a fear of guns?
 
calamity said:
Seems pretty obvious that the one needing a gun is the one who is afraid. However, I am sure the gunners will find a way to twist this to mean that those who don't need guns are the ones who are really afraid.
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On one level it is part of this entire "I am more of a manly man that you are" nonsense. Just yesterday in a gun thread it was alleged that men who did not own guns were "timid men" and had obvious "inadequacies".

I know the gun community hates it when they are good naturedly teased bout penis metaphors and their guns but you cannot help but think about it when you read comments like that.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'm well aware of when the Bill of Rights was finally ratified. What does that have to do with the fact nothing in there says anything about God? And what does that have to do with the Declaration of Independence, that you mentioned and had no bearing on this conversation at all?

If that wasn't a concession, then it should have been, as it's been made perfectly clear you were in the wrong. The Constitution/Bill of Rights are not "God given rights", as you tried to claim. There is nothing about God in the Constitution. You were wrong.
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So you don't see the relationship between the Declaration and the Constitution?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Nope. None.
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So the fact that guns are the main weapon of choice in thousands upon thousands of deaths and injuries each year in this country has not a damn thing to do with peoples fear? :doh:roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

Got it loud and clear. The fact that you will not even acknowledge that people have a reason to fear guns because of that is very very revealing and tells me all I need to know about the honesty with which you approach this topic.
 
haymarket said:
So the fact that guns are the main weapon of choice in thousands upon thousands of deaths and injuries each year in this country has not a damn thing to do with peoples fear? :doh:roll:

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

FASTSTATS - Homicide

Got it loud and clear. The fact that you will not even acknowledge that people have a reason to fear guns because of that is very very revealing and tells me all I need to know about the honesty with which you approach this topic.
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Fearing an inanimate object is not reasonable. More die in cars, or with ball bats than guns. You know anyone scared of ball bats?
 
haymarket said:
This is a common sense issue - not a partisan one. It involves what type of society we want to live in as Americans - not as partisan Democrats or Republicans.
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sadly nothing proposed by the Democrat party on guns is based on common sense as to crime control. what motivates the Dem party is one or both of two things

1) to pander to people who WANT SOMETHING TO BE DONE every time someone engages in a Kamikaze attack

2) to try to destroy or several limit the ability of the NRA and other gun groups to funnel large amounts of cash and voter support to mainly GOP candidates.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Fearing an inanimate object is not reasonable. More die in cars, or with ball bats than guns. You know anyone scared of ball bats?
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I would speculate that if baseball bats were the number one weapon of choice in murders each year that yes indeed people would fear them. What right do you have to pass judgment upon what people fear and what they should not fear? The fact that you take this tact tells me volumes about your ostrich like head-in-the-sand denial of basic reality on this issue.
 
TurtleDude said:
sadly nothing proposed by the Democrat party on guns is based on common sense as to crime control.
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Others would disagree and many prominent republicans including Ronal Reagan differed with you.
 
haymarket said:
Others would disagree and many prominent republicans including Ronal Reagan differed with you.
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Oh Reagan was pandering to the "we have to do something bit" after he left office.
 
AJiveMan said:
Acting out; e.g., Obama is pro gun control, that is to say more rigorous background checks, more regulation of high capacity ammunition clips.
Then, people hear this and think, oh, he's going to try to regulate the kinds of guns and ammunition we buy now, darn, we's better go out and purchase all we can, while we can, acting out of fear of the unknown, or acting out of fear because somebody said the gubbermint is going to take our guns, and take away our rights to own guns.

I fear no evil.

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if the government can arbitrarily limit your weapon to ten shots based on nothing more than picking a number
what is to stop it from limiting your gun to one shot

are you familiar with what Cuomo did in NY? what was the instigating crime that caused him to push for a 7 round limit


Here is a solution-citizens in a given state can have the same capacity weapons as the police. how about that
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh Reagan was pandering to the "we have to do something bit" after he left office.
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Regardless of how you chose to rationalize his actions or excuse his actions - he supported legislation which you loathe and oppose. And he was a Republican. That is simply reality and historical fact.
 
haymarket said:
I strongly suspect it has to do with history and the role government plays in our nation. During the Gilded Age government power was firmly and deeply on the side of business, corporations and the wealthy and you rarely saw anything about the big bad government. Then in the Progressive era starting at the turn of the century, government became more of an impartial referee in some areas and the wealthy did not like that. Then many saw the New Deal as putting government far too often on the side of the average person and that seemed to be the straw that broke the camel back of the far right.
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LOL-the progressive era was anti business and pro socialism: pandering to failure so those who did nothing useful could become rich and powerful
 
calamity said:
Seems pretty obvious that the one needing a gun is the one who is afraid. However, I am sure the gunners will find a way to twist this to mean that those who don't need guns are the ones who are really afraid.
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those who want to ban peaceful citizens owning guns are the ones who are afraid. that is beyond any dispute
 
TurtleDude said:
if the government can arbitrarily limit your weapon to ten shots based on nothing more than picking a number
what is to stop it from limiting your gun to one shot

are you familiar with what Cuomo did in NY? what was the instigating crime that caused him to push for a 7 round limit


Here is a solution-citizens in a given state can have the same capacity weapons as the police. how about that
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So outside of the limits of ever expanding technology and the ability of one to purchase or obtain ever more powerful weaponry - you see no reason to limit weaponry in our society?
 
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