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Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

Who is more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun, or the one who doesn't?

  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 28 77.8%

  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • Total voters
    36
Glen Contrarian said:
The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
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You're starting with the false assumption that fear is the motivating factor for owning a gun. It isn't. Most of the gun owners I know aren't operating out of fear, but they recognize that there are situations where a firearm is the best solution to a problem that needs immediate resolution. They aren't acting out of fear, but rather preparedness. I don't carry insurance on my car because I'm afraid of getting into an accident, I carry it because it the best way to deal with the cost of an accident. I'm not in fear, I'm prepared.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I wish that more from both sides of the aisle would understand that there's a lot of people who feel that way, who aren't so eager to use deadly force at the first opportunity.
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I would use it if I had to, I just don't feel the need to stock up on guns and ammo in the perverse hope that someday, I'll be able to gun down an intruder. That seems to be an issue with some of the gun nuts. They not only prepare for it, they look forward to it.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Has been since the ratification in 1791. Try keeping up.
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I didn't realize the framers of our Constitution were God. Good to know.
Lutherf said:
Being adequately equipped to defend yourself should the need arise? Yes.
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I can adequately defend myself and it has nothing to do with God or guns.

It is interesting to see how far those who worship at the alter of the firearm are willing to go.
NoC_T said:
What do firearms have to do with God? Or did God suddenly wink into existence with the advent of gunpowder?
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The answer is nothing, but then again, that's really just for people who aren't obsessed with guns.
CRUE CAB said:
So you do not support the constitution? Since its inception the rights provided within are said to be "god given".
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Please direct me to the place where it says the Bill of Rights are god given. I want the exact quote. In fact, show me any place in the actual Constitution which mentions God.

I'll wait.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I didn't realize the framers of our Constitution were God. Good to know.
I can adequately defend myself and it has nothing to do with God or guns.

It is interesting to see how far those who worship at the alter of the firearm are willing to go.
The answer is nothing, but then again, that's really just for people who aren't obsessed with guns.
Please direct me to the place where it says the Bill of Rights are god given. I want the exact quote. In fact, show me any place in the actual Constitution which mentions God.

I'll wait.
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Once again, the Constitution does not grant rights to the people. It preserves rights which the people already had and delegates responsibilities to the government. I know that's a hard thing for you statists to get through your heads but I'll keep on throwing it out there and hoping that at some point it sticks.
 
faithful_servant said:
You're starting with the false assumption that fear is the motivating factor for owning a gun. It isn't. Most of the gun owners I know aren't operating out of fear, but they recognize that there are situations where a firearm is the best solution to a problem that needs immediate resolution. They aren't acting out of fear, but rather preparedness. I don't carry insurance on my car because I'm afraid of getting into an accident, I carry it because it the best way to deal with the cost of an accident. I'm not in fear, I'm prepared.
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I didn't say that fear was THE motivating factor, did I? That, sir, was your own assumption. Fear is one of several different motivating factors, just as lack of fear us one of several different motivating factors in one's decision not to buy a gun.
 
Cephus said:
I would use it if I had to, I just don't feel the need to stock up on guns and ammo in the perverse hope that someday, I'll be able to gun down an intruder. That seems to be an issue with some of the gun nuts. They not only prepare for it, they look forward to it.
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Very true. And on the flip side of the coin are those on the bleeding edge of the left wing who think that all guns are bad no matter what. I've often said that the day that guns are banned, I'll be the first in line to buy one.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I didn't say that fear was THE motivating factor, did I? That, sir, was your own assumption. Fear is one of several different motivating factors, just as lack of fear us one of several different motivating factors in one's decision not to buy a gun.
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With all due respect, the two choices in the poll sure give that impression.
 
It can just be a hobby for going to shooting ranges or hunting, who said guns HAVE to be for self defense? I used to shut guns all the time with my uncle and it was funner than anything I've ever done. The power is great, so what's the point of posing a question that hardly relates to EVERY SINGLE gunowner in the U.S.?
 
Lutherf said:
With all due respect, the two choices in the poll sure give that impression.
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Agreed, he's trying to rationalize his way out of this but the poll gave me the EXACT same feeling that you got.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
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It depends. If the person who doesn't want the guns is so fearful of guns that they'll try to use government to take other people's guns or restrict their access and use to them; then they are the most fearful. If one just doesn't want a gun because they feel they can handle their own business without it, but does nothing to infringe upon the rights of others...that guy may just be a bad ass.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
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Who is more afraid. The one that doesn't want a gun and doesn't boast about it or the one the doesn't want a gun but wants to sound as if it is because he is brave?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Who is more afraid. The one that doesn't want a gun and doesn't boast about it or the one the doesn't want a gun but wants to sound as if it is because he is brave?
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Who's boasting? Has it ever occurred to you that if someone says he doesn't need a gun, that maybe, just maybe he doesn't need it?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And from the other side of the coin, who's more afraid - the gun owners who are Absolutely Sure that liberals are out to take their guns and their 2A rights away, or the liberals who honestly support gun ownership as long as we can make sure that the owners are law-abiding citizens and not felons/sexual predators/terrorists/sociopaths/whatever?

And btw - gun ownership is not a "God given right". In those days, ownership of a sword or a spear was never a right.
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another false dichotomy. only a moron would argue that there are not liberals trying to ban guns. the founders believed free citizens being armed was a natural and inalienable right

here is a question for you Glen

are you willing to deprive a certain number of good and honest people gun ownership if such a deprivation would deprive a few felons or sociopaths guns?

I don't believe you can truly disarm hard core criminals and most schemes designed to disarm them mainly disarms good people since good people are far more likely to obey a stupid gun law than say a convicted robber

so my view is I side with honest people having the arms they want even if it means a few criminals get guns they might not have

You I suspect, are willing to sacrifice the rights of many to stop a few (the least ambitious or venal of those who are banned from owning guns)
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
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Ever stop to wonder why they do not want anyone to be armed worldwide?

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Mao Zedong

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The Greatest Thomas Jefferson quotes

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

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If you research you will find .gov have killed more people then anyone.

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His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Who's boasting? Has it ever occurred to you that if someone says he doesn't need a gun, that maybe, just maybe he doesn't need it?
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The OP is simply a baited trap, complete with presumptuous terms and thinly-veiled insult.


The poll is structured to require the assumption of fear being involved, and the implication is gun owners are fearful Walter Mitty types with delusions of manhood. This includes the implication that gun ownership is emotional and not a rationally made decision.



Sheer nonsense that is undeserving of any comment really... it's just a poke at gun owners and an attempt to get a rise... and not even a new or clever one.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I didn't say that fear was THE motivating factor, did I? That, sir, was your own assumption. Fear is one of several different motivating factors, just as lack of fear us one of several different motivating factors in one's decision not to buy a gun.
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It's the only one you brought into the discussion and you never mentioned it as being only one factor, leaving things open to interpretation. If I misinterpretted your false assumption, I apologize.
 
Is the person who doesnt practice fire drills in his/her home with his/her family afraid? Or are they less afraid?

Or are they unprepared, less aware, and just taking their chances, hoping that something never happens?
 
Extremely limited (perspective) poll. Seems to assume gun ownership/carrying has something to do with fear, period.

I can speak from experience that it does not apply to me.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And from the other side of the coin, who's more afraid - the gun owners who are Absolutely Sure that liberals are out to take their guns and their 2A rights away, or the liberals who honestly support gun ownership as long as we can make sure that the owners are law-abiding citizens and not felons/sexual predators/terrorists/sociopaths/whatever?

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You are not speaking for all liberals, esp. not this one.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I remember the days when I was - at least to some extent - what you would today call a 'doomsday prepper'. We were Absolutely Sure that the Soviets were going to launch any day now, so we had our guns and our plans and all the silly assumptions that young men tend to have before real maturity begins to give them a clue.

And I don't need a gun to survive. I don't need one to hunt - people got by on hunting without guns for many millenia before guns were invented. The more important skill would be knowing what plants can and can't be eaten, and what they can be used for. That, and knowing how to stay hidden if need be...because if someone with a gun sees you first, he's got the drop on you. It doesn't matter if you've got a gun unless he's a lousy shot. On the one hand, having a gun gives you the opportunity to shoot back...but not having a gun makes you more careful...and perhaps more creative since you're forced to think outside the box.
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It sounds more like you have an extreme personality and jump on bandwagons....and then think things through better over time. And then feel dumb and reject the earlier obsession or compulsion. Kind of like an addictive personality.

And as for not having a gun making you less careful...that is 100% bull****. It shows a great ignorance of the realities of the LAWS that affect people who do own and carry legally. We are held to a higher standard under the law, we must avoid at all costs any confrontation because it may lead to escalation (taking the High Road), and any use of our firearm is examined with heightened scrutiny just because of the type of weapon used. We have to be MORE careful to avoid any situation where we might find conflict, whereas someone not carrying a lethal weapon can mouth off and act stupid and drink and do whatever they want...and take their chances.
 
Cephus said:
I would use it if I had to, I just don't feel the need to stock up on guns and ammo in the perverse hope that someday, I'll be able to gun down an intruder. That seems to be an issue with some of the gun nuts. They not only prepare for it, they look forward to it.
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The condescension is cute...and shows you suck up media hype and dont know many actual gun owners and carriers. And the reason for that is most dont go around discussing or revealing any part of their exercising their 2A rights. So you're not even aware of the majority.

Pretty much for the reasons your 'opinion' makes obvious.
 
Lursa said:
The condescension is cute...and shows you suck up media hype and dont know many actual gun owners and carriers. And the reason for that is most dont go around discussing or revealing any part of their exercising their 2A rights. So you're not even aware of the majority.

Pretty much for the reasons your 'opinion' makes obvious.
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You need to read the posts of some people right here on DP which make it clear they'd be downright giddy if they ever got the chance to dispatch a criminal with their firearms. I never said anything about majority or minority positions, just that there are people who think exactly as I described.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
The question's easy - there's many people out there who feel that they need a gun (or guns), usually for self-defense, but sometimes because they believe the government just might come knocking to confiscate their guns.

On the other hand, there's people out there (like myself) who simply don't want a gun, who doesn't have a need for one.

So who, really, is the one who's more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun for self-defense, or the one who doesn't feel he needs a gun for self-defense?
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Who's more afraid of fire? The one who feels like having a fire extinguisher is a good idea, or the one who doesn't feel the need?

Reminds me of a joke:

A state trooper stopped a 95 year old woman on interstate 20, and noticed as he
was checking her drivers license, that she had a concealed carry permit. He
said, "got any guns with you ma'am?" She said, "yes, a 45 Smith & Wesson in
the glove compartment, a 357 magnum in the console and a 38 special in my
purse." The trooper said "lady, what are you scared of?"

She said, "NOT A
DAMN THING!!!"
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