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Who Is More Afraid? The One Who Feels He Needs a Gun? Or the One Who Doesn't?

Who is more afraid? The one who feels he needs a gun, or the one who doesn't?

  • The person who feels he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 28 77.8%

  • The person who does NOT feel he needs a gun is the one who's more afraid.

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • Total voters
    36
haymarket said:
While it may be a agency over civilians, police officers are NOT civilians and you have been provided with countless definitions which specifically state that. But lets get beyond that and look at your claim of a logical connection in your belief.

In point of fact it is not logical. Police have the tools they do because they do a specific job. You and I DO NOT do that job.
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yeah you have made that silly argument before and it has been thoroughly destroyed by dozens of posters.

and you continually ignore the reason for the argument-firearms issued to CIVILIAN police agencies are both COMMON and NOT unusually dangerous.
 
I see the poll, even in this Right-leaning forum, is trending toward sane, with those voting the fear resides in the person needing a gun 4:1
 
calamity said:
I see the poll, even in this Right-leaning forum, is trending toward sane, with those voting the fear resides in the person needing a gun 4:1
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it was a stupid poll designed to get an anti gun result

the second option should have been

Those who want to restrict the rights of law abiding Americans to own firearms
 
TurtleDude said:
it was a stupid poll designed to get an anti gun result

the second option should have been

Those who want to restrict the rights of law abiding Americans to own firearms
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That's not what was being asked. It was a comparison of those who need a gun versus those who do not.
 
calamity said:
That's not what was being asked. It was a comparison of those who need a gun versus those who do not.
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but its a stupid poll because need could be for competitive shooting or vermin control etc.

It was a bait poll and you know it
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I strongly agree - and I believe the reason why the cops are becoming more violent is because they can't make an arrest without assuming that the perp is packing. That kind of stress and fear can - will - affect not only their individual psychology but also their organizational mentality.

It's sad that I can walk down the street in a Manila slum and feel safer than if I walk down the street in Seattle or Memphis.
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The criminals have always been 'packing' as long as cops have been. It's pretty plain thru history, even back to the 1800's. That is not an excuse. Nor is their lack of competency with their weapons (not just guns) excusable. I understand the 'reasons,' but I do not consider them excusable since they ARE the ones most likely to employ their weapons in public (besides the criminals of course) and endanger the public.
 
calamity said:
I see the poll, even in this Right-leaning forum, is trending toward sane, with those voting the fear resides in the person needing a gun 4:1
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Several people, including myself, didnt vote....it's not a reasonable premise.
 
TurtleDude said:
but its a stupid poll because need could be for competitive shooting or vermin control etc.

It was a bait poll and you know it
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I needed guns when I had a reasonable or not fear that my home may be invaded when I lived in an isolated farm house. I do not need guns now that I live in a village with police less than a mile away and constant patrols. The fear of crime coming to my home is gone.

That's how I read the poll.
 
calamity said:
I needed guns when I had a reasonable or not fear that my home may be invaded when I lived in an isolated farm house. I do not need guns now that I live in a village with police less than a mile away and constant patrols. The fear of crime coming to my home is gone.

That's how I read the poll.
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I read the poll as a bait thread trying to denigrate gun owners
 
Boo Radley said:
1) If they are intelligent, they know all guns have not been banned. Your only quibbling over regulations, not complete banning.

2) That's just nonsense. Paranoid nonsense.
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Have you ever held or shot a firearm? Hand gun? Semi-auto, revolver? How about a rifle? A shotgun?

Do you know how different all of those are? And they are different in a million ways for very specific reasons. When you choose a tool for a job...dont you want the ability to choose what is right for the job? Most comfortable, designed best, most reliable, longest battery life, highest torque, yada yada yada?

I mean, why arent we all driving exactly the same cars? Riding the exact same bikes? Wearing the same shoes? Not *just* for vanity or looks.

If someone chooses to own a firearm(s) they choose them for reasons. It's not up to you to tell someone else what best serves their purposes.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So you don't see the relationship between the Declaration and the Constitution?
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In the context of this discussion, there is no relationship between the two. They are completely separate documents which served completely separate purposes.

You are wrong.
 
Lursa said:
How about 'Americans' see how limited anti-gun people are with allusions like that? Since so many of us are indeed women, Democrat, liberal, etc.
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Please take a minute to understand the context of my humorous comment.

If that was my sole argument - or even my argument on this thread - yes, I could see how one would conclude it was limited. It is not and it was never my argument. I merely brought it up to show those who talk about "timid men" and people without guns having "inadequacies" that those sort of macho-man chest thumping bragging binges only bring to mind those humorous comparisons about guns and compensation for penis size.
 
haymarket said:
Please take a minute to understand the context of my humorous comment.

If that was my sole argument - or even my argument on this thread - yes, I could see how one would conclude it was limited. It is not and it was never my argument. I merely brought it up to show those who talk about "timid men" and people without guns having "inadequacies" that those sort of macho-man chest thumping bragging binges only bring to mind those humorous comparisons about guns and compensation for penis size.
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gun haters have many motivations. one of the motivations comes from the feelings of inadequacy that cowards have
 
haymarket said:
Please take a minute to understand the context of my humorous comment.

If that was my sole argument - or even my argument on this thread - yes, I could see how one would conclude it was limited. It is not and it was never my argument. I merely brought it up to show those who talk about "timid men" and people without guns having "inadequacies" that those sort of macho-man chest thumping bragging binges only bring to mind those humorous comparisons about guns and compensation for penis size.
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Meh, no different from...and considerably less widespread...than the 'humorous' comparisons between cars and penis size. :)
 
TurtleDude said:
gun haters have many motivations. one of the motivations comes from the feelings of inadequacy that cowards have
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An interesting premise. Could you then post some authoritative information on that so we can see if it is accurate or merely your low opinion of people who disagree with you?
 
Lursa said:
Meh, no different from...and considerably less widespread...than the 'humorous' comparisons between cars and penis size. :)
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Although I was born and raised in greater Detroit I am not familiar with such comparisons. But I guess its possible.

For the record, I have always preferred larger and more roomy cars. ;)
 
haymarket said:
An interesting premise. Could you then post some authoritative information on that so we can see if it is accurate or merely your low opinion of people who disagree with you?
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I told you to read A NATION OF COWARDS by Snyder
 
AJiveMan said:
Acting out; e.g., Obama is pro gun control, that is to say more rigorous background checks, more regulation of high capacity ammunition clips.
Then, people hear this and think, oh, he's going to try to regulate the kinds of guns and ammunition we buy now, darn, we's better go out and purchase all we can, while we can, acting out of fear of the unknown, or acting out of fear because somebody said the gubbermint is going to take our guns, and take away our rights to own guns.

I fear no evil.
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I don't fear evil. But I am very concerned about Homeland Security quietly buying up weapons and ammo and even more concerned about a federal agency playing politics, which the IRS has been doing. I think all good citizens, irrespective of political party or view, should be tremendously concerned.
 
Seems to me a lot of people are confusing reasonable and legitimate concerns with the emotion of fearfulness. The two are not the same.
 
TurtleDude said:
I told you to read A NATION OF COWARDS by Snyder
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do you mean this?

A Nation of Cowards

I did read it. And there is nothing in there except a mirror of your opinion on these matters. There is absoloutely no verifiable evidence to support your previous statement that I asked about

gun haters have many motivations. one of the motivations comes from the feelings of inadequacy that cowards have
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While the Snyder opinion in many areas mirrors your own - it is but personal opinion and there is nothing in the way of any data or actual study to support the personal opinion that people who advocate gun laws are cowards. It seems a simple insult and slur against ones political enemies more than anything else approaching actual provable research.

Is there some research I am missing?

Is there something more in the way of data to this Snyder polemic than this that I read other than lots of opinion and vitriol?
 
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Goshin said:
Seems to me a lot of people are confusing reasonable and legitimate concerns with the emotion of fearfulness. The two are not the same.
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In all fairness Goshin, I suspect most people truly believe that their own personal concerns are indeed "reasonable and legitimate" and those of their enemies are not so.

So saying what you said really only justifies ones own view and brings comfort to their allies.
 
haymarket said:
In all fairness Goshin, I suspect most people truly believe that their own personal concerns are indeed "reasonable and legitimate" and those of their enemies are not so.

So saying what you said really only justifies ones own view and brings comfort to their allies.
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They cant be that far out there or 'individualized' if the courts use a 'reasonable man' standard for juries. That indicates the expectation of a larger area of common ground.
 
Lursa said:
They cant be that far out there or 'individualized' if the courts use a 'reasonable man' standard for juries. That indicates the expectation of a larger area of common ground.
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So lets look at what a reasonable person may conclude based on pure data then. Given that guns are the number one weapon in murders by a far far margin, is it reasonable that a rational person may fear a gun and the results of it in their or their families lives?
 
The most afraid are those who fear the gun itself and want to take away someone else's right to own one.
 
nota bene said:
I don't fear evil. But I am very concerned about Homeland Security quietly buying up weapons and ammo and even more concerned about a federal agency playing politics, which the IRS has been doing. I think all good citizens, irrespective of political party or view, should be tremendously concerned.
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I sleep very well at night.
 
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