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Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

Are Affirmative Action programs racist?


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so is the NAACP, the black caucus among other things.
 
To my mind, racism requires a believe of one race being superior or inferior to others. Affirmative action programs make the assumption that certain races have not had the same optunities. That means to my mind that they are racial, not racist.
 
Factually AA/EEO is not racist and can't be by definition. This fact will never change.

Now do some people and Orgs practice things that are racist? yes absolutely but by definition thats NOT AA/EEO. This is the reality that many people simply don understand.
 
To my mind, racism requires a believe of one race being superior or inferior to others. Affirmative action programs make the assumption that certain races have not had the same optunities. That means to my mind that they are racial, not racist.

I have little to add...other then I completely disagree with anyone being forced/encouraged by government to hire someone over someone else purely due to the melanin content of their skin.
 
No, because the discrimination is just. Diversity increases the value of a university education and thus the quality of the school.
 
No, because the discrimination is just. Diversity increases the value of a university education and thus the quality of the school.

well at least you admit its discriminatory. but it is not racist? what a joke
 
well at least you admit its discriminatory. but it is not racist? what a joke

So you don't understand the whole definition of racism nor discrimination? Yikes.
 
I have little to add...other then I completely disagree with anyone being forced/encouraged by government to hire someone over someone else purely due to the melanin content of their skin.


I agree and its a good thing AA/EEO doesnt do that.
 
No, because the discrimination is just. Diversity increases the value of a university education and thus the quality of the school.

theres actually no discrimination in actual AA/EEO.
 
No, because the discrimination is just. Diversity increases the value of a university education and thus the quality of the school.



Lets see well you are smart enough but because of your skin color we cannot allow you into certain classes because they are full with people of color. and you will never be able to get into those classes. so you have to pick another career.

Yup nothing racist with that:roll:
 
Lets see well you are smart enough but because of your skin color we cannot allow you into certain classes because they are full with people of color. and you will never be able to get into those classes. so you have to pick another career.

Yup nothing racist with that:roll:

It's not an attempt at societal unjust discrimination and privilege. It's a system of improving universities.

Not all discrimination is unjust, not all discrimination is bigotry. And not all bigotry is racism. I understand, these are concepts beyond the average Joe, but these are the facts.
 
Any program that give preferential treatment while denying such to another person based on skin color is inherently racist. Further more, the very existence of such programs are harmful to the supposed "beneficiaries" as their efforts are in the shadow of said treatment. There is no difference if "The boss only hired him cause he's white too" then there is in "She only got the job cause she's black".

It's all bull****. AA/EEO is crap. Period. Best qualified candidate, plumbing, skin color, ethnicity should have ZERO baring on the matter.
 
Yes it is because it grants privilege to some races over other races.
 
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I agree and its a good thing AA/EEO doesnt do that.

Whatever.

Debating with you is like trying to teach a dog to speak Norwegian...time consuming and completely pointless.

No offense intended.

Good day.
 
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1.)Any program that give preferential treatment while denying such to another person based on skin color is inherently racist. Further more, the very existence of such programs are harmful to the supposed "beneficiaries" as their efforts are in the shadow of said treatment. There is no difference if "The boss only hired him cause he's white too" then there is in "She only got the job cause she's black".

It's all bull****.

2.) AA/EEO is crap. Period. Best qualified candidate, plumbing, skin color, ethnicity should have ZERO baring on the matter.

1.) I agree good thing factually AA/EEO doesnt do that. THe rest of the subjective rantign you did doesnt have a real impact'
2.) this sentence makes ZERO sense since thats what AA/EEO does LMAO.
 
1.) I agree good thing factually AA/EEO doesnt do that. THe rest of the subjective rantign you did doesnt have a real impact'
2.) this sentence makes ZERO sense since thats what AA/EEO does LMAO.


Do... you live in the real world?

A federal appeals court delivered a sharp rebuke to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission today when it upheld the dismissal of the agency’s lawsuit against Kaplan for using credit histories to screen job candidates — the same method the EEOC uses for 87% of its positions.

In this case, the EEOC accused Kaplan of using credit scores to reject a disproportionate number of African-American candidates for jobs. The appeals-court decision, penned by Judge Raymond Kethledge, doesn’t begin well for the government: “In this case the EEOC sued the defendants for using the same type of background check that the EEOC itself uses.”

A lower court dismissed the case because the EEOC depended upon flawed statistical evidence to show that using credit checks discriminated against African-Americans A three-judge panel of the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati agreed, saying the EEOC expert’s method for proving racial discrimination, which included hiring “race raters” to examine drivers’ license photos of applicants to determine their race, was “not a reliable means to demonstrate disparate impact.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielf...t-slaps-down-eeoc-over-disparate-impact-suit/
 
Whatever.

Debating with you is like trying to teach a dog to speak Norwegian...time consuming and completely pointless.

Good day.
Translation: you have no reply only failed insults lol.

I accept your concession to facts.
 
Do... you live in the real world?

Yes thats what i understand what FACTUAL AA/EEO is and I dont fall for the misinformation or uneducated opinions od what it is. I dont go for the things people make up and falsely call AA/EEO because of thier emotional dishonesty or uneducated feelings and opinions. For two different jobs hiring and recruiting was even part of my responsibilities and currently is now.

AA/EEO has a very clrea definition that is easy to understand and by default it doesnt do what you claim and if a program does do what you are complaining about (and somethign i would disagree with also btw) it is factually NOT AA/EEO. this fact will never change.
 
Translation: you have no reply only failed insults lol.

I accept your concession to facts.

Like I said...whatever.

I don't debate with people that put words in my mouth or presuppose what I am thinking...like you just did.

Typical Agent J.

And I don't waste my time generally with people who play that childish, 'you silence admits defeat, I win', nonsense.

We are done on this.


Good day.
 
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It's not an attempt at societal unjust discrimination and privilege. It's a system of improving universities.

Not all discrimination is unjust, not all discrimination is bigotry. And not all bigotry is racism. I understand, these are concepts beyond the average Joe, but these are the facts.
Diversity is a **** concept pushed by **** people to shovel **** on everything. Period. Diversity, as a focused goal is CRAP. Period, end of story. Because Diversity means someone, based solely on WHAT THEY ARE, can trump another person because they are NOT.

"Sorry Joe, we'd love to bring you to Diversity University, you have great grades, great everything... but we REALLY need more (insert whatever Joe isn't)." Joe loses an opportunity he's earned and someone else get's something that genetics only provided.

Talk about having it all assbackwards.
 
Like I said...whatever.

I don't debate with people that put words in my mouth or presuppose what I am thinking...like you just did.

Typical Agent J.

We are done on this.


Good day.

I put no words in your mouth, let me know when you have somethign that is on topic and disproves the fact i posted.
Again i accept your concession.
 
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