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Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

Are Affirmative Action programs racist?

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Empirica said:
I would never suggest that "racism" doesn't exist, MS!

In fact I have stated on several occasions that "racism" will always exist to some extent and in some form or other_
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"Racism" towards minority groups is rarely seen in Western Cultures and is inconsequential because governments and society will no longer tolerate it_

In fact, the worst 20th Century stigma one can have attached to them is "RACIST"!

Can you produce an actual example of a racist "obstacle the blacks must constantly endeavor to overcome"

I'm pretty sure there are rational explanations other than racist bigotry for the "obstacles" you alluded to_

I do realize from experience that 90% of what is called "racist garbage" is actually Political Incorrectness_

There's a whole lotta forbidden language and taboos that will automaticly get you labeled a "racist" ya know_
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The left in particular seeks to control the speech and thoughts of others through PC. And agreed, most of what is reflexively (and frankly ignorantly) called racism is actually just being politically incorrect.

And for the record, I like your old avatar more. :cool:
 
Empirica said:
In fact, the worst 20th Century stigma one can have attached to them is "RACIST"!
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There is definitely some truth to that. Right now the NBA is trying to force some guy to sell his team merely because he used some racial epithets when he got in a recorded personal argument with a negro prostitute.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not sure where you got that out of my post. I don't care if you're here or not. You're whining about the posts, not me.
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I'm not whining. I don't know where you got that from. I just said some people post racist garbage here.
 
tres borrachos said:
The subject of the poll is Affirmative Action. Good grief. Either we need it or we don't. Racist hate. Yes, that terrible racist hate has made it so that no black person can succeed in this country, so the government has to help blacks succeed - is that it?

Is Obama an Affirmative Action success story, or isn't he? If he isn't, then he's proof that AA isn't needed.

But please, by all means, keep complaining about the big bad racists on the anonymous message board.
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Fredrick Douglas succeeded despite slavery. Does that mean there was no need to end slavery?
 
a351 said:
Erm, no. It assumes that various groups are to this day discriminated against in certain avenues of life not due to their abilities but their race or gender alone, thus the need for such legislation to compensate for those inequities. Why so many focus on African Americans alone when discussing AA is curious indeed.
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that's a politically correct way of saying that blacks cannot earn the same grades or SAT scores as other kids.
 
maquiscat said:
While AA programs are racially biased, they are not racist because they do not assume that one race is superior to the rest.
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that's silly, AA assumes blacks are less capable than whites or Asians
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No. It assumes that minorities do not get equal opportunities.
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disagree. Because lots of blacks who get AA come from wealthy backgrounds and get in ahead of poorer whites
 
MildSteel said:
:lamo

This poll ain't about Obama, please stop using him as a doormat.
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The poll is about Affirmative Action. Obama is a black man who is the most powerful man in the world. I'm using him as an example of why Affirmative Action is no longer needed.

Unlike you, I stayed on topic. Every post I made about Obama had to do with Affirmative Action.

No charge for helping you keep up.
 
tres borrachos said:
The poll is about Affirmative Action. Obama is a black man who is the most powerful man in the world. I'm using him as an example of why Affirmative Action is no longer needed.

Unlike you, I stayed on topic. Every post I made about Obama had to do with Affirmative Action.

No charge for helping you keep up.
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And the example of Fredrick Douglass shows that it is possible to succeed despite adversity. That doesn't mean that mean that one should not try to alleviate the adverse conditions, which is what AA attempts to do.
 
tres borrachos said:
The poll is about Affirmative Action. Obama is a black man who is the most powerful man in the world. I'm using him as an example of why Affirmative Action is no longer needed.

Unlike you, I stayed on topic. Every post I made about Obama had to do with Affirmative Action.

No charge for helping you keep up.
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If there had been no AA Obama would just be another member of the corrupt dem machine in Chicago
 
MildSteel said:
And the example of Fredrick Douglass shows that it is possible to succeed despite adversity. That doesn't mean that mean that one should not try to alleviate the adverse conditions, which is what AA attempts to do.
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You brought up slavery when mentioning Douglass. This thread wasn't about slavery then, and it still isn't.

Is Obama a black man who succeeded based on his merits, or is he a black man who succeeded thanks to Affirmative Action? Why do you keep avoiding that question?
 
TurtleDude said:
If there had been no AA Obama would just be another member of the corrupt dem machine in Chicago
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I'm trying to figure out what these AA advocates want. They say it has to stay in place because black man are being oppressed and repressed and held back. But mention that a black man is the most powerful man in the world as President of the USA, and they get all huffy and say that isn't relevant.

Either AA isn't necessary because Obama proved that any smart, hardworking black man can achieve anything, or they have to say that he only achieved what he did because of Affirmative Action. They want to have it both ways.
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm trying to figure out what these AA advocates want. They say it has to stay in place because black man are being oppressed and repressed and held back. But mention that a black man is the most powerful man in the world as President of the USA, and they get all huffy and say that isn't relevant.

Either AA isn't necessary because Obama proved that any smart, hardworking black man can achieve anything, or they have to say that he only achieved what he did because of Affirmative Action. They want to have it both ways.
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Of course they do. They want the "victim" designation when they can benefit from it, but the entire time they assert they are equal. This cognitive dissonance leads to rulings like scotus justice ginsbergs who stated that AA is ok right now, but only for another 20 years or so. :doh
 
MildSteel said:
I'm sorry, but your statement that racism towards minority groups is rarely seen in western culture is simply false. You must be living in some youthful, sheltered existence. Here's an example

Ku Klux Klan on new recruitment drive with leaflet drop in towns across America - Telegraph

I sure can, the notion that black people are less intelligent that whites is something that blacks constantly have to deal with. It's an obstacle. I hope you don't want to put forward the notion that in reality they are.

So you believe the posts here that say that interracial marriage is bad?
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It is quite evident by your reply that you understand very little of what I said_

Unfortunately I don't believe further simplification would produce a better result_

But if you should figure out what I was saying, we could continue where we left off_

Have a nice day~
 
Empirica said:
Once again, those "racially biased programs of AA" unjustly demand accountability and sacrifice of totally innocent people who have absolutely nothing to do with the current I]condition[/I] of Black America_
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Was there something I said that indicated otherwise?
 
joG said:
Wasn't that definition 2 in wiktionary?
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Follow the link. It was what popped up right on top when I did the search. That's why I provided you the link, so you could see for yourself.

mak2 said:
“Let me tell you something I know about the Negro...
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Huh? I don't see the link between what I wrote and your response that looks to be a unattributed quote of someone else.

TurtleDude said:
that's silly, AA assumes blacks are less capable than whites or Asians
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Since the AA programs are structured with all minority races in mind, there is no set inferiority or superiority built into the program structure
 
US Conservative said:
The left in particular seeks to control the speech and thoughts of others through PC. And agreed, most of what is reflexively (and frankly ignorantly) called racism is actually just being politically incorrect.
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Unfortunately the left has been very successful!

And for the record, I like your old avatar more. :cool:
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The ave was intended as a reminder to the lefties of their many failures to defeat me_ :giggle1:

I slip a temp in every so often to convey a message but worry not; Empirica shall return!:thanks
 
TurtleDude said:
disagree. Because lots of blacks who get AA come from wealthy backgrounds and get in ahead of poorer whites
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That is not what the supreme court has decided and that is not what acceptance rates have shwon.
 
tres borrachos said:
You brought up slavery when mentioning Douglass. This thread wasn't about slavery then, and it still isn't.

Is Obama a black man who succeeded based on his merits, or is he a black man who succeeded thanks to Affirmative Action? Why do you keep avoiding that question?
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And Fredrick Douglas is a black man that succeeded based on his own merits despite slavery. That doesn't mean that there was no need to end slavery.
 
Empirica said:
It is quite evident by your reply that you understand very little of what I said_

Unfortunately I don't believe further simplification would produce a better result_

But if you should figure out what I was saying, we could continue where we left off_

Have a nice day~
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It's not that I don't understand what you have said, it's just that your post sounds like some idealistic, inexperienced, person who does not understand how the world really works. There are old fools on here that understand how the world works well but deliberately use rhetorical tools to put forward an agenda. I can recognize these fools, because I work around such old fools all the time and I have personally seen how they operate. They really have a primary objective in mind, but they deliberately find some words to conveniently cloak that primary objective in language that appears to be more acceptable. They surely do it. There is no doubt about it. On the other hand, you sound like a young person that has been duped and really don't understand how things operate. So, when you have some more experience under your belt, and really understand history and how the world really works, perhaps we can discuss at some point in the future.
 
maquiscat said:
rac·ism ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
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Yes. I read that too.
racism - Wiktionary
 
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