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Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

Are Affirmative Action programs racist?

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mak2 said:
That is called a phrase not a single word. Were you focusing on the word so you could pretend anyone who uses it is a racist? thus making Bundy no more racist than anyone else that uses it?
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Ah, okay, so it was a phrase. The word Negro isn't racist.

Thanks for clearing that up!
 
You weren't really confused. I know you are smarter than that. You were trying to twist words to create an argument. But carry on...
tres borrachos said:
Ah, okay, so it was a phrase. The word Negro isn't racist.

Thanks for clearing that up!
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tres borrachos said:
What? You can't be serious.

Millions of Jews were exterminated for being inferior 70 short years ago. At the same time, the American government was rounding up Americans of Asian descent, stealing all of their worldly belongings - including their names - and sending them to work camps.

What an extremely disingenuous comment.
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His comments were certainly disingenuous, but Jews were not exterminated because they were inferior so much as for the opposite reason. If you study the themes of antisemitism, they always focus on Jewish success rather than Jewish inferiority. Jews are cast as rich and powerful, weilding too much influence, sneaky and clever. This is done to elicit feelings of resentment which are then used to create a groundswell of support for their persecution, and corresponding support for whatever agenda drives those who persecute them.

There is nothing that really unites like a common hatred.
 
maquiscat said:
While AA programs are racially biased, they are not racist because they do not assume that one race is superior to the rest.
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In practice, they assume that Asians are superior to Whites who are superior to Blacks, because that is how it handicaps each when it comesto college admission.
 
tres borrachos said:
What? You can't be serious.

Millions of Jews were exterminated for being inferior 70 short years ago. At the same time, the American government was rounding up Americans of Asian descent, stealing all of their worldly belongings - including their names - and sending them to work camps.

What an extremely disingenuous comment.
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I'm dead serious. I'm talking about in the United States. Jews in the United States were not brought over on slave boats. Actually some Jews participated in the black slave trade.

As far as the Asian thing goes, Asians were not brought over in mass numbers on slaves boats anywhere near as blacks were done. They did not endure generation after generation of angry, ignorant, envious whites systematically making them feel inferior to whites in the United States.
 
Affirmitive action laws aren't racist, they're incompetent (and ideologistic). Does anyone who stands with these AA laws really expect AA laws to lessen the 'plight' of those who need the uplift?

For example, does the action that accepts the minority student to an 'Ivy League' type of college over other more qualified students really help that minority student? No. The minority student ends up dropping out... If someone wants to put in place an effective AA law for colleges for minorities, have the government provide vouchers and the like for minority college-bound students. If the minority student is qualified enough, then let them apply for the 'Ivy League' type of college.

Generally speaking, have Affirmitive Action measures that are more pragmatic (that actually help minorities) and not that are powered by ideology.
 
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cabse5 said:
Affirmitive action laws aren't racist, they're incompetent (and ideologistic). Does anyone who stands with these AA laws really expect AA laws to lessen the 'plight' of those who need the uplift?

For example, does the action that accepts the minority student to an 'Ivy League' type of college over other more qualified students really help that minority student? No. The minority student ends up dropping out... If someone wants to put in place an effecive AA law for colleges for minorities, have the government provide vouchers and the like for minority college-bound students. If the minority student is qualified enough, then let them apply for the 'Ivy League' type of college.

Generally speaking, have Affirmitive Action measures that are more pragmatic (that actually help minorities) and not that are powered by ideology.
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I am not in favor of affirmative action when it puts people into positions that cannot do the work. That's stupid. However, I am in favor of affirmative action that puts blacks who can do the work into positions where there may be a lack of representation.
 
Muhammed said:
No those are your bigoted anti-white racist opinions.
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I'm sure you suffer every single day from this terrible "anti-white racism".

:roll:
 
MildSteel said:
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MildSteel said:
I disagree, people decide how justice is administered and people with money and can afford the best legal representation and that have contacts that are able to influence people with judicial power are treated differently. That's the truth.
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The underline rarely happens. That is the truth.

And crying because someone can afford better lawyers? iLOL :lamo
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It happens all the time. Otherwise people would not pay better lawyers more money.

I'm not crying, I'm not in court.
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You obviously are not paying attention.

"The underline[d] rarely happens."


And costing more because you are better, has nothing to do with the influence you insinuate.
 
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TurtleDude said:
AA assumes blacks aren't smart enough or hard working enough to compete

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I disagree__AA simply provides excuses for personal failures, shifts blame, reassigns responsibility and demands sacrifice of the innocent_

a351 said:
Erm, no. It assumes that various groups are to this day discriminated against in certain avenues of life not due to their abilities but their race or gender alone, thus the need for such legislation to compensate for those inequities. Why so many focus on African Americans alone when discussing AA is curious indeed.
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Every American minority group has managed to access and prosper from the American Capitalist Dream despite initial racial/religious/ethnic discrimination except for Black America which has done so to a far less degree_

This suggests that their societal and economic problems are much more complex than simple "racism"_

maquiscat said:
While AA programs are racially biased, they are not racist because they do not assume that one race is superior to the rest.
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Once again, those "racially biased programs of AA" unjustly demand accountability and sacrifice of totally innocent people who have absolutely nothing to do with the current I]condition[/I] of Black America_

MildSteel said:
Neither were Jews and Asians enslaved in such vast numbers and conditioned for generations to believe that they were inferior to whites.
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Actually; people of every race the world over have been both slave and slaver at some point in history_

So after a 150 years of freedom from American slavery, it's a very lame excuse for failure and blame_

For christ sake; it's time all people adopt a policy of personal responsibility for their actions, choices and lives_

mak2 said:
that word? Bundy is an ignoant racist, anyone who thinks like he does is a racist too.
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It is possible that Bundy is "racist" but it certainly can't be determined by the statement in question_

He's obviously your average old-timer that equates failure to the common standards of his generation_

mak2 said:
You weren't really confused. I know you are smarter than that. You were trying to twist words to create an argument. But carry on...
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I believe that's called "semantics" of which I personally saw no evidence_ :twocents:
 
Yes, it is racism. It is essentially putting favor towards one or more races while discriminating against another.
 
Empirica said:
Every American minority group has managed to access and prosper from the American Capitalist Dream despite initial racial/religious/ethnic discrimination except for Black America which has done so to a far less degree_
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Right....every light skinned immigrant to the US has been able to carve out a space....but the darker your skin, the less prosperous you will be. Blacks, Hispanics, American Indian tribes, have all trailed in "prospering".

If I remember correctly, you attributed this to racial/genetic inferiority.

There is no action by dominate racial groups that could possibly explain a repression, I mean your attitude towards other races is not a reflection of actions.....is it?
 
mak2 said:
that word? Bundy is an ignoant racist, anyone who thinks like he does is a racist too.
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Wrong.

mak2 said:
I am not going back and looking for it, the sum of what he said is racist, not a single word.
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Wrong again.
Unlike your words, his words were of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance like your's are.
 
mak2 said:
You weren't really confused. I know you are smarter than that. You were trying to twist words to create an argument. But carry on...
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Then be careful when you post not to post words you don't want other people to quote.
 
MildSteel said:
I'm dead serious. I'm talking about in the United States. Jews in the United States were not brought over on slave boats. Actually some Jews participated in the black slave trade.

As far as the Asian thing goes, Asians were not brought over in mass numbers on slaves boats anywhere near as blacks were done. They did not endure generation after generation of angry, ignorant, envious whites systematically making them feel inferior to whites in the United States.
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Oh brother. You think blacks are the only group that's ever been made to feel inferior? Women were inferior until the beginning of the last century. You don't think a lot of people in this country hate Muslims?

Blacks were brought here by free traders, not the US government. It was longer ago than the extermination of Jews and the terrible treatment of the Asians in this country. If you think Asians weren't mistreated by our government, you may want to crack a history book.

By the way, what specifically were whites "envious" of?
 
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digsbe said:
Yes, it is racism. It is essentially putting favor towards one or more races while discriminating against another.
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No, racism is an act born chiefly out of irrational fear/hatred.

Positive discrimination is not born out of fear/hatred.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No, racism is an act born chiefly out of irrational fear/hatred.

Positive discrimination is not born out of fear/hatred.
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Whatever its motives, it's still discrimination.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The amount of ignorance in bundys concerns is alarming.
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Not at all. What he saw was what is alarming.
His interpretations of what he saw as a result dependency on the Gov were also real.
Or are you suggesting that the breakdown of the family unit would be greater had there not been this dependency?
Are you also suggesting that abortions would be more but for this dependency, and that work ethic would be much greater had it not been for this dependancy?
I seriously hope not.
 
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Empirica said:
Actually; people of every race the world over have been both slave and slaver at some point in history_
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So what? We are talking about what has happened here in the United States of America in recent history.

Empirica said:
So after a 150 years of freedom from American slavery, it's a very lame excuse for failure and blame_
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What you don't realize is that racist governments, particularly in the southern part of the US, practiced systemic racism. There are people alive today who bear the very deep scares of such systemic racism. Your little poorly thought out post is fail, and an excuse for the systemic racism that was practiced, until recently in the US. Hell, my grandfather could not even conceive of being a doctor or a lawyer, Why? Because in his day, that was something that was reserved for white people. Do you really understand that? Can you really wrap your mind around what I just said?

Empirica said:
For christ sake; it's time all people adopt a policy of personal responsibility for their actions, choices and lives_
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Christ's sake? What the heck is that supposed to mean. If you are about responsibility, then government should take responsibility for the economic and psychological harm that was inflicted on blacks. That little lame rhetoric that you are spouting is a sorry excuse for the systemic failure of government to properly implement the idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with inalienable rights.
 
Blacks just can't get a fair shot in the USA. Can you imagine if they had a chance to succeed? Why they could actually aspire to be lawyers, doctors, teachers, CEOs, accountants, Congressmen, judges, Supreme Court judges, singers, actors, models, entrepreneurs, Senators, hell, even the President of the United States. But with all this racism that exists, and every white person being against blacks, sadly, they will never have those chances.

:roll:
 
MildSteel said:
AA doesn't necessarily have to be dividing. In some cases it has been uniting in that it has brought together people who would otherwise not have been together in the first place, that become friends.

What has been dividing is some Republican politicians and political commentators who have deliberately used AA, to exploit the racist tendencies in some whites. That has been the major source of the divide.
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Do you know how foolish and blindly partisan that looks to somebody who has been there and knows the score?

Of course there are shades of gray in anything. Numbnuts put everything in black and white terms and refuse to discuss anything objectively. Oh, there is a success story re affirmative action so see? Affirmative Action is a complete success.

Well I know too many people who are bright, intelligent, capable people who have lived a huge chunk of their careers with many of their colleagues believing they were the 'token black' or 'token something' and got their position purely because of affirmative action. And then there are those who have watched competency and excellence eroded because standards had to be lowered to accommodate affirmative action. And again, affirmative action requires us to separate people by race, gender, and ethnicity and will not allow us to see people as just people. That helps keep racism alive and doesn't allow skin color to become no more important than hair or eye color.

The numbnuts won't even acknowledge, much less discuss this though. It isn't politically correct to consider anything other than the assigned talking points and the leftist religion. And that is tragic.
 
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