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Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

Are Affirmative Action programs racist?

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MildSteel said:
That would be fine if what we had was a meritocracy. Then there would be no need for AA at all and I would be against it. But in reality, the world does not work like that.
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Sure it does. Only those invested in the belief that blacks are lesser humans that cannot rise on their own think otherwise. I believe in people, you don't.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Government corrects this by giving the same standing in the eyes of the laws not by giving special treatment. I could understand the policy after the slaves were free during the time of reconstruction but all those policy now just enforce the idea that their is something fundamental different from whites and minorities.
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We are going around in circles. You believe that our justice system treats people the same regardless of how much money they have, and that's simply not true. Neither do we have a meritocracy. If we did, there would be no need for affirmative action.
 
MrVicchio said:
Sure it does. Only those invested in the belief that blacks are lesser humans that cannot rise on their own think otherwise. I believe in people, you don't.
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You are wrong. I have seen it with my own eyes. It doesn't even work like that for white people, much less blacks. I have seen it.
 
I had my fun with this thread, so closing thoughts. This thread is a classic example of not being able to argue ideas, so instead let's just attach a negative label to it. If Affirmative Action is bad(and I am of mixed mind right now on that), then it is bad independent of any laberl attached. The inability to debate beyond labeling things is somewhat sad.
 
MildSteel said:
We are going around in circles. You believe that our justice system treats people the same regardless of how much money they have, and that's simply not true. Neither do we have a meritocracy. If we did, there would be no need for affirmative action.
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AA is about race not about economic standing if it was AA would give all poor people a leg up
 
cpgrad08 said:
AA is about race not about economic standing if it was AA would give all poor people a leg up
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You said everyone should be equal before the law. That's not the case. It has to do with your economic standing.
 
MildSteel said:
You said everyone should be equal before the law. That's not the case. It has to do with your economic standing.
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Equal standing in the eyes of the law was nothing to do with economic standing in society. Those are two different things. If you are wanting to help the poor I understand but you don't do it with a law that is race base.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Equal standing in the eyes of the law was nothing to do with economic standing in society. Those are two different things. If you are wanting to help the poor I understand but you don't do it with a law that is race base.
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I disagree, people decide how justice is administered and people with money and can afford the best legal representation and that have contacts that are able to influence people with judicial power are treated differently. That's the truth.
 
MildSteel said:
I disagree, people decide how justice is administered and people with money and can afford the best legal representation and that have contacts that are able to influence people with judicial power are treated differently. That's the truth.
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And making a race base law fixes this how?
 
cpgrad08 said:
And making a race base law fixes this how?
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You said people should have equal standing in the eyes of the law. I'm saying they don't, because the system treats people with money differently.
 
MildSteel said:
You said people should have equal standing in the eyes of the law. I'm saying they don't, because the system treats people with money differently.
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No, you are trying to make in this into an income inequality thread. That is not the topic here. The Topic is AA racist. If you make a thread about the pro/cons about economic standing I will gladly debate you about it their.

People do have equal standing in the law via the Constitution. Just because someone can pay for a "better" lawyer does not change this.
 
MildSteel said:
You are wrong. I have seen it with my own eyes. It doesn't even work like that for white people, much less blacks. I have seen it.
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/Shrug. Your anecdotal means nothing.
 
cpgrad08 said:
No, you are trying to make in this into an income inequality thread. That is not the topic here. The Topic is AA racist. If you make a thread about the pro/cons about economic standing I will gladly debate you about it their.

People do have equal standing in the law via the Constitution. Just because someone can pay for a "better" lawyer does not change this.
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You brought it up. In post #169

Government corrects this by giving the same standing in the eyes of the laws not by giving special treatment.
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The Constitution and all laws are ultimately interpreted and put into effect by people. People are the eyes of the law in practical terms.
 
MrVicchio said:
/Shrug. Your anecdotal means nothing.
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It's the truth. It's not a meritocracy. I have seen what vicious white people will do to other white people simply because they don't like them.
 
MildSteel said:
You brought it up. In post #169



The Constitution and all laws are ultimately interpreted and put into effect by people. People are the eyes of the law in practical terms.
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yes I did, but notices nothing their about Economic standing. You are the one that brought that up.
 
AA is racist, but not near as racist as the reason it is necessary.
 
cpgrad08 said:
yes I did, but notices nothing their about Economic standing. You are the one that brought that up.
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And that's because people with money are treated differently by the system of justice. Everyone is not treated equally.
 
mak2 said:
AA is racist, but not near as racist as the reason it is necessary.
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Ok you think AA has done more good then bad, okay but do you still think it is still necessary and if so will their ever be a time when it will be obsolete?
 
MildSteel said:
And that's because people with money are treated differently by the system of justice. Everyone is not treated equally.
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Because rich people are never punish by the law. Corruption will be always present, but once again I ask how does AA address this or fix this since it race based and economic based.
 
When there are much fewer Bundy and many fewer Bundy apologists. Yes, someday it wont be needed, I hope it is soon.
cpgrad08 said:
Ok you think AA was done more good then bad, okay but do you still think it is still necessary and if so will their ever be a time when it will be obsolete?
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mak2 said:
When there are much fewer Bundy and many fewer Bundy apologists. Yes, someday it wont be needed, I hope it is soon.
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What????
 
mak2 said:
When there are much fewer Bundy and many fewer Bundy apologists. Yes, someday it wont be needed, I hope it is soon.
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AA was never needed.
But when there are fewer folks who willing make false claims of racism against those who actually care like Bundy, we will be better off.
 
MildSteel said:
ou believe that our justice system treats people the same regardless of how much money they have, and that's simply not true.
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In general - Wrong.


MildSteel said:
I disagree, people decide how justice is administered and people with money and can afford the best legal representation and that have contacts that are able to influence people with judicial power are treated differently. That's the truth.
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The underline rarely happens. That is the truth.

And crying because someone can afford better lawyers? iLOL :lamo
 
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