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Are Affirmative Action programs racist?[W:110]

Are Affirmative Action programs racist?

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cpgrad08 said:
Make sure they have the same standings in the law and the laws are evenly applied to everyone regardless of race.
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So the government should hire the best lawyers for black people? Because that's the only way to do what you are talking about.
 
MildSteel said:
So the government should hire the best lawyers for black people? Because that's the only way to do what you are talking about.
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Black people get the same government appointed lawyers as everyone else. As it should be.
 
cpgrad08 said:
Black people get the same government appointed lawyers as everyone else. As it should be.
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Government appointed lawyers are generally of poor quality and you cannot get equal treatment under that law as a rich person with such lawyers.
 
MildSteel said:
Government appointed lawyers are generally of poor quality and you cannot get equal treatment under that law as a rich person with such lawyers.
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Everyone is the same under the law. If you have money and can afford your own lawyers good on you. It is not the government job to balance the income difference between rich and non-rich. Also their are rich non whites are you assuming that only white people are rich?
 
cpgrad08 said:
Everyone is the same under the law. If you have money and can afford your own lawyers good on you. It is not the government job to balance the income difference between rich and non-rich. Also their are rich non whites are you assuming that only white people are rich?
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But practically speaking everyone is not the same under the law. People with money can afford better lawyers and can influence people in the judicial system directly and/or through contacts. It simply is not true that everyone is the same before the law.
 
MildSteel said:
But practically speaking everyone is not the same under the law. People with money can afford better lawyers and can influence people in the judicial system directly and/or through contacts. It simply is not true that everyone is the same before the law.
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They will always be corruption. AA does not fix that problem. All it does is say " the government view minorities as inferior to whites and if we don't give them a leg up they will never make it in the world without our help." That is Government sponsored racism.

If you the world to be a better then promote equality not government programs that are race based. All those do is promote inequality.
 
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cpgrad08 said:
All does is say " the government view minorities as inferior to whites and if we don't give them a leg up they will never make it in the world without our help."
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That's ignorant and racist.
 
MildSteel said:
So how do you correct hundreds of years of government sponsored enslavement, torture, rape, and psychological abuse that was directed against blacks without having programs that are specifically designed to give blacks a boost to compensate for the extreme obstacles that were put in their path?
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You say "it's the 21st Century", stand up and be counted for who you are, not what you are.
 
cpgrad08 said:
That's why you should be against AA.
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You misunderstand, your ignorant interpretation of AA is racist.

AA exists for two reasons primarily:

1. Diversity improves a university and the product offered.
2. It helps to counter systemic racism that exists today.
 
cpgrad08 said:
They will always be corruption. AA does not fix that problem. All it does is say " the government view minorities as inferior to whites and if we don't give them a leg up they will never make it in the world without our help." That is Government sponsored racism.

If you the world to be a better then promote equality not government programs that are race based. All those do is promote inequality.
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I don't think it views minorities as inferior than whites. I think it says that whites have brutally abused blacks to such an extent in the past so blacks need some assistance in compensating for that brutal abuse.
 
ecofarm said:
You misunderstand, your ignorant interpretation of AA is racist.

AA exists for two reasons primarily:

1. Diversity improves a university and the product offered.
2. It helps to counter existing systemic real racism that exists today.
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By promoting racist policies.

Please explain how forced diversity improves an education.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Those who believe in affirmative action are absolutely racist.

Anyone who believes minorities need a quota system for equality is making the indirect statement that minorities are not as good as other people.

Believing one race is inferior to another is the root definition of racism.
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Well, this is just stupid. It could just as well be making the statement that minorities have had fewer opertunities.
 
MrVicchio said:
You say "it's the 21st Century", stand up and be counted for who you are, not what you are.
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That would be fine if what we had was a meritocracy. Then there would be no need for AA at all and I would be against it. But in reality, the world does not work like that.
 
cpgrad08 said:
By promoting racist policies.
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You need to review the definition of racism and pay attention to the whole thing, not just the parts used to apologize for real racism.

Please explain how forced diversity improves an education.
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If it's beyond your grasp currently, I'm not wasting my time trying to explain it to you personally. Sorry. Good luck.
 
MildSteel said:
I don't think it views minorities as inferior than whites. I think it says that whites have brutally abused blacks to such an extent in the past so blacks need some assistance in compensating for that brutal abuse.
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I really don't believe in the whole white guilt thing. If you want to help those that are less fortunate then others then help them base on economic needs instead of race. Their are many poor white kids in today's world are you are going deny them help just because of some they have nothing to do with?
 
ecofarm said:
You need to review the definition of racism and pay attention to the whole thing, not just the parts used to apologize for real racism.



If it's beyond your grasp currently, I'm not wasting my time trying to explain it to you personally. Sorry. Good luck.
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Hope you tell me so I can learn. Or if you really don't know and just blowing smoke just let me know.

Also any different treatment base on race is racist.
 
cpgrad08 said:
I really don't believe in the whole white guilt thing. If you want to help those that are less fortunate then others then help them base on economic needs instead of race. Their are many poor white kids in today's world are you are going deny them help just because of some they have nothing to do with?
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It's not a question of feeling guilty. It's a question of having a government that is fair and just. Blacks were brutally abused in the past and that has had an very detrimental effect on their present condition. A government that endeavors to correct the past evils that it inflicted on a large segment of the population is merely doing what is just, not because of white guilt.
 
MildSteel said:
It's not a question of feeling guilty. It's a question of having a government that is fair and just. Blacks were brutally abused in the past and that has had an very detrimental effect on their present condition. A government that endeavors to correct the past evils that it inflicted on a large segment of the population is merely doing what is just, not because of white guilt.
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Government corrects this by giving the same standing in the eyes of the laws not by giving special treatment. I could understand the policy after the slaves were free during the time of reconstruction but all those policy now just enforce the idea that their is something fundamental different from whites and minorities.
 
ecofarm said:
Ignorance.
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So are really saying that a person get's a job or get's into college base skin color isn't racist?

You sure you really know the meaning of Ignorance?

Also still waiting for you to share your enlightenment on how force diversity improves an education?
 
cpgrad08 said:
So are really saying that a person get's a job or get's into college base skin color isn't racist?
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You need to read the whole definition of racism.
 
ecofarm said:
You need to read the whole definition of racism.
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The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Which AA promotes.

As a great man once said:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
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Redress said:
To my mind, racism requires a believe of one race being superior or inferior to others. Affirmative action programs make the assumption that certain races have not had the same optunities. That means to my mind that they are racial, not racist.
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actually many of them assume blacks are not smart enough or ambitious enough to compete with same first generation boat people or the children of Holocaust survivors so they are racist
 
cpgrad08 said:
The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
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That's not the whole definition.

And, anyway, AA doesn't fit that.
 
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