Should prez Obama try to free those captured girls in Nigeria

polgara said:

Earns us a few more people that hate us, for whatever price that's worth. :thumbdown:

Greetings, SMTA. :2wave:

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Hey, PG!

You are exactly correct.

Money only buys tepid friends until the money runs out.

We always get screwed.

clownboy said:

If Kerry is talking, he's lying. He's a miserable sack of **** left in the sun for days.

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Says the person who ends all rationale discussion with calling Kerry a liar.
Until you hear self-incrimination on anything from Kerry/Obama/Holder/Lerner/etc, you won't be satisfied.

Guess that shows you it's not a party line issue. My answer is to use diplomacy, that's kinda what we have a State Department for.

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Have DEMs started another war of choice like GWB with all of the inherited World hot spots?
Has there been one time when GOPs have backed the Presdident on foreign policy, just for issue starters?
Even bin Laden was muted at best, with far righties going off on Obama anyway, giving Bush credit in spite of his Tora Bora problem.

How many extra "serious" committees did we see with the three Beirut Reagan's, when Tip O'Neill didn't play these games.

Looks like the ACA water spicket has run dry .

SMTA said:

Hey, PG!

You are exactly correct.

Money only buys tepid friends until the money runs out.

We always get screwed.

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In this case, it's not about making friends. It's about sending a loud-and-clear message that if you kidnap 300 children? Thunder, lightening, and all hell will break loose on you and yours.

Luftwaffe said:

Why is it always us though? Hey, since everyone seems to think China is whooping us how about China spend a little $$$ and do the humanitarian things for us? Hell, get the UN to start doing **** again. It's always the U.S. that has to do this **** and I'm tired of it. We focus on every single issue plaguing us domestically, once those are adressed, then and ONLY THEN can we once again begin helping the world.

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The UN :lamo

The last I heard is that the girls would be sold for $12 each. The UN deals with bananas not cash when it comes to young girls.

How many bananas would equal $12 dollars ?

MaggieD said:

I disagree. We have no right, other than war, to enter another country with military forces without their permission. Who do you think we are??

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Human beings that care about the fate of 200 abducted young girls?

Bodhisattva said:

We should get Congressional approval and then only go in if Nigeria asks for help.

The USA would not stand for another nation to come in and deal with Waco for us.

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Maybe Putin will help us out with this Bundy character!

MaggieD said:

In this case, it's not about making friends. It's about sending a loud-and-clear message that if you kidnap 300 children? Thunder, lightening, and all hell will break loose on you and yours.

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Hey Moot :2wave:

These girls are up for sale. It's nothing but the slave trade.

The slave trade has been going on in Africa for hundreds of years now. Every day girls in Africa are kidnapped and sold, usually into slavery or the sex trades.

Black African Muslims have been abducting their fellow Africans for centuries and selling them into slavery. Most black Americans could follow their roots and it was a black African who captured their ancestors and sold them to some Dutch slave trader and they were put on a ship and brought to the Americas.

>"Recently, we have seen the revival of the once thriving slave trade routes across West Africa, after a lapse of 25 years. Slavers have reappeared following the old slave trade routes, except that trucks, jeeps and modern four-wheel drive vehicles and, on occasions, aircraft, have replaced the camels. The slavers often carry mobile telephones.

Some things, however, have not changed. Cunning, deceit, the use of drugs to subdue the children and the whip still remain part of the essential equipment of the professional slaver.

The trade involves most states in sub-Saharan West Africa.

The children are kidnapped or purchased for $20 - $70 each by slavers in poorer states, such as Benin and Togo, and sold into slavery in sex dens or as unpaid domestic servants for $350.00 each in wealthier oil-rich states, such as Nigeria and Gabon.

These children are bought and sold as slaves. They are denied an education, the chance to play or to use toys like other children, and the right to a future. Their lives are at the mercy of their masters, and suicide is often the only escape.

The material in this report is based on a Mission to West Africa by the Society's Secretary-General, supplemented by material from Cleophas Mally of WAO-Afrique..."< The modern West African slave trade

plutonium said:

What do you think he should do?

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Do nothing,its none of our business.Yeah part of me says Obama should send in a special ops team and put a bullet in every terrorist' head, but we shouldn't be the world's police.Pressure china, Russia or some other countries to save these girls.

Lursa said:

Projecting what? If that's not what you mean, feel free to clarify. It was a bit harsh but that's how it read.

Or...own it. Up to you.

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No, it's how you interpreted it. Read it again in a calm and neutral voice in your head and stop projecting your interpretations of what people say as opposed to what they say.

Sababa said:

ONly some Muslims. You know that there have been Muslim countries with women PResidents right?

Actually they are valuable as they were likely kidnapped for sale.

Actually there is a ton the US can do.

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I'm sure they'll trade each one for a camel or whatever the exchange is. I'm not trying to be cynical but you assume that these 200 had some sort of "special" value where as no, that's not the case... it's not like they need to kidnap these 200. they kidnap people all the time, especially children. And the men are put to become child soldiers and the women and sold off to muslims... ah, I mean pedophiles... no wait, muslims is correct... who want to do what Mohammed did and marry juveniles.

Like what? Send in the troops? Where to? All of africa because you don't know where they are.

jamesrage said:

Do nothing,its none of our business.Yeah part of me says Obama should send in a special ops team and put a bullet in every terrorist' head, but we shouldn't be the world's police.Pressure china, Russia or some other countries to save these girls.

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It's our business because we live in this world. My sense of morality doesn't stop at some imaginary lines on a map. This is an especially unique and grievous affront to civilization and if we can do something to rectify it we should.

Should France intervene in the Cliven Bundy standoff?

basically do nothing.
verbally condemn the action.

We are not/should not be the world police.

if the US got involved and the girls were rescued, what would Nigeria people think of the US in 10 years?
if the US got involved and it turned out to be a tragic even, what would Nigeria people think of the US in 10 years?
imo, most people from Nigeria won't care one way or another about the US.

Rainman05 said:

No, it's how you interpreted it. Read it again in a calm and neutral voice in your head and stop projecting your interpretations of what people say as opposed to what they say.

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"Projecting" is when you impose your own views on others. I certainly did/do not look at those women that way.

And you clarified you did not, so you can unbunch your panties now.

Paschendale said:

We should do something. Humanitarian aid is one of the few areas where international intervention is morally acceptable.

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Define something.

Sherman123 said:

It's our business because we live in this world. My sense of morality doesn't stop at some imaginary lines on a map. This is an especially unique and grievous affront to civilization and if we can do something to rectify it we should.

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So be the policemen of the world. We tried that, failed miserably. Cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

Send in Ted Nugent and friends with two helicopters.



If he doesn't come back, no biggie in any case.

MaggieD said:

In this case, it's not about making friends. It's about sending a loud-and-clear message that if you kidnap 300 children? Thunder, lightening, and all hell will break loose on you and yours.

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Not our problem, and our involvement will do nothing to stop future incidences.

The Shah of Iran did nothing to solidify the US as a future partner, now did he?

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.

Fell free, though, to spend your own money and hire some mercs to send over.

Sherman123 said:

It's our business because we live in this world.

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What goes on in another country is none of our business.

My sense of morality doesn't stop at some imaginary lines on a map.

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Just because you are a globalist does not mean other people are.

This is an especially unique and grievous affront to civilization and if we can do something to rectify it we should.

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We shouldn't do anything.If Russia, China, UK or some other countries wish to intervene then let them. I do not wish for some other country to come into mine under the guise of saving someone. There are all kinds of horrible **** that goes on in the world, we can not stop every single one of those things nor should we

SMTA said:

Not our problem, and our involvement will do nothing to stop future incidences.

The Shah of Iran did nothing to solidify the US as a future partner, now did he?

Those who ignore history are condemned to repeat it.

Fell free, though, to spend your own money and hire some mercs to send over.

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The Obama administration will send military, intelligence and law enforcement advisors to Nigeria to help the beleaguered government find and rescue more than 270 teenage girls who were abducted by the Boko Haram terrorist group last month, the White House said Tuesday.

The team will share U.S. intelligence and provide investigative help, not military force, in the search for the students, who were kidnapped April 14 from a rural high school in Nigeria's Muslim-dominated northeast.

The deployment will mark the first public American assistance in a case that has sparked international outrage. The U.S. announcement came after the leader of Boko Haram vowed in a video to sell the girls as slaves, and after gunmen reportedly took at least eight more girls from another village overnight.

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This is exactly what should happen at the present time. It's been several weeks. We can't send in special ops to swoop them up and bring them home . . . but we can help bring the perps to justice.

As we should.

CRUE CAB said:

So be the policemen of the world. We tried that, failed miserably. Cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

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I could defend our need to be the 'policemen of the world' but that isn't even relevant. The question is merely should the United States intervene to rescue these girls if possible and the answer should be yes. It isn't contingent upon whether Russia or China are willing to do the same thing.

jamesrage said:

What goes on in another country is none of our business.



Just because you are a globalist does not mean other people are.



We shouldn't do anything.If Russia, China, UK or some other countries wish to intervene then let them. I do not wish for some other country to come into mine under the guise of saving someone. There are all kinds of horrible **** that goes on in the world, we can not stop every single one of those things nor should we

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You don't have to be a globalist to care about what happens to people in other geographic localities. Not that 'globalist' is a dirty word.

Sherman123 said:

I could defend our need to be the 'policemen of the world' but that isn't even relevant. The question is merely should the United States intervene to rescue these girls if possible and the answer should be yes. It isn't contingent upon whether Russia or China are willing to do the same thing.

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And the next time, and the next?

Sherman123 said:

You don't have to be a globalist to care about what happens to people in other geographic localities.

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You think these girls being kidnapped by animals is the only bad thing going on in the world?

Not that 'globalist' is a dirty word.

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It is if you actually care about your country's sovereignty.

CRUE CAB said:

And the next time, and the next?

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If possible and practical.