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Are Republicans Exploiting Benghazi?

Are Republicans Exploiting Benghazi?

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Would we or should we know when AQ gets captured? Aint anything secret anymore? I thought we were closing GITMO. How do you know there was no AQ operatives in any Med country in 2009, just thinking about it I would be that one is wrong. Which news sources? I doubt if AQ operatives put a lot of money in their retirement accounts. So basically more right wing noise machine...noise.
APACHERAT said:
How many Al Qaeda have been captured to gather intelligence since 2009 ?

The prison population at GITMO hasn't gotten any larger since 2009.

Al Qaeda wasn't operating in any country along the Mediterranean Sea in 2009.

As soon as Gaddafi was sodomized and murdered many news sources showed pictures of Al Qaeda's black flag flying over Libya.

Was Obama lying to the American people in 2012 when he said that Al Qaeda was on the run ?
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bubbabgone said:
and then delete all the stuff that has nothing to do with their reply.
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Highlight, right-click, cut.

>>one big fat self-contradiction. Can't get around that.

Tell ya what. This is my preferred method. If I can use it without confusing people, maybe we'll both be happy.

I see no contradiction whatsoever. It's like skating around a Montreal Canadian. Just use yer instincts.

>>still hawking that video

Just accepting the facts as they exist. You should try it. Saves time and helps avoid going off in foolish directions.

>>Rather than respond to the rest of your run-on comment

I don't ask for a response. I figure yer on the ground bleeding. But I do hope that you at least read my pearls of wisdom.

>>a thumbnail description of how YOU perceive Barack Obama

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...072-fact-free-liberals-21.html#post1063263140

>>handle accordingly

"You want answers?" "I want the truth!" "You can't handle …"
 
ObamacareFail said:
It is hilarious that Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats are screaming bloody murder over the 7-5 mix.....considering that was the usual make up of such investigative committees when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House.
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Expect more of this to come, especially after they lose the november election. It will be poetic justice, treating the dems as they have treated republicans.
 
SheWolf said:
Raising money on the tragedy is a good indication that the GOP is exploiting the event.

I wonder how many politicians in DC harping on the issue actually know the names of the dead or have paid the fallen any form of actual respect.
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Not really, the dems have already demonstrated that they wont be forthcoming with any information they aren't FORCED BY LAW to provide.

One way to deal with that, is to get those people voted out-to facilitate a more transparent govt.
 
mak2 said:
No, arguing a jet flying over is going the scare terrorist that are too close to Americans to be attacked in any way (beside a loud jet kinda noise) is mind boggling. :roll:
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Not really, a very conspicuous presence-one that let our people, and AQ know we were on the way seems worthwhile. Supersonic booms over that city every few minutes, until an in-extremis quick reaction force was there. Remember, at the time nobody knew who was alive or dead-we just knew Americans were under attack. And Obama stood down.

Perhaps you feel that what was actually done-nothing at all-was the better option. :roll:
 
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A fly over is silly. Up till the election Faux was talking about troops, AC 130's, armed drones overhead and other assets that Obama refused to use because it would make him look bad, if any of that were true of course I would be outraged. But is appears to me this is all made up BS by the RW noise machine. Nothing I have seen since changes that.
US Conservative said:
Not really, a very conspicuous presence-one that might make it appear that reinforcements were on the way seems worthwhile.

Perhaps you feel that what was actually done-nothing at all-was the better option. :roll:
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Supersonic booms over that city every few minutes, until an in-extremis quick reaction force was there to let everyone know the US was on the way. Even if it broke every window in benghazi. Remember, at the time nobody knew who was alive or dead-we just knew Americans were under attack. And Obama stood down.
 
APACHERAT said:
The CIA did tell him. Obama ignored them.
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Did he? How can you tell?

>>Obama ignores the military brass because he and his administration don't trust the military. They probably don't trust the CIA.

Isn't that painting with a very broad brush? Are you saying he always ignores the military? And again, what was it he ignored? They told him that AQ was morphing into small, scattered groups that are loosely affiliated. What has he done/not done to indicate that he ignored them?

Clapper must have told him that, right? Even if he didn't, Obama would have read about his testimony before Congress to that effect, don't ya think? He doesn't ignore the NYT, I figure. That's where he gets hid left-wing talking points.

>>And if Obama were have acknowledge to the American people that …

I think the voters knew what was going on. And I also believe AQ is on the run. To be honest, I think that if we had concentrated on Afghanistan and not fought a long, expensive, and unnecessary war in Iraq, we'd have a lot fewer dead and wounded military folks, a lot less money wasted on spending that provides no return on investment, and maybe even a less volatile Middle East.
 
Again, the flyover thing might work on an Amazon tribe that had never seen planes before...What evidence do you have there was anything to stand down. All I have seen was 2 ex seals that would have just died too. What was there that could be used and wasn't?
US Conservative said:
Supersonic booms over that city every few minutes, until an in-extremis quick reaction force was there to let everyone know the US was on the way. Even if it broke every window in benghazi. Remember, at the time nobody knew who was alive or dead-we just knew Americans were under attack. And Obama stood down.
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mak2 said:
Again, the flyover thing might work on an Amazon tribe that had never seen planes before...What evidence do you have there was anything to stand down. All I have seen was 2 ex seals that would have just died too. What was there that could be used and wasn't?
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Again, you appear to lack context. WE DID NOT KNOW WHO WAS ALIVE OR DEAD AS THIS WAS GOING ON. We knew the Presidents personal representative, and other Americans were under attack, one that lasted for hours-and at no point was help sent. There are reports that some of those men were actually painting enemy forces with laser designators (these guys were ex special forces) in hope of help that never came.

We had air assets on the north coast of Africa, and a quick reaction force in Italy-and they never were sent.

And your amazon tribe comment is silly. These AQ guys know what American airpower can mean to them, they would not know if they were going to attack, they did not know if this meant American ground forces were inbound. It may have cut short the attack and saved American lives. We will never know-but what we do know-is that Obama never sent help, despite repeated requests EVEN DURING THE ATTACK, and that everyone there died.

Its remarkable how nonchalantly you would write off the lives of these Americans. Perhaps this is why you dont understand the fuss being made about Benghazi...but in any case, the people responsible will be made to know.
 
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No, you are delusional about how big the world is and how many assets we have. Any time you hear or see, "there were reports" quit listening. There have been reports of Sasquatch's in Ohio too.
US Conservative said:
Again, you appear to lack context. WE DID NOT KNOW WHO WAS ALIVE OR DEAD AS THIS WAS GOING ON. We knew the Presidents personal representative, and other Americans were under attack, one that lasted for hours-and at no point was help sent. There are reports that some of those men were actually painting enemy forces with laser designators (these guys were ex special forces) in hope of help that never came.

We had air assets on the north coast of Africa, and a quick reaction force in Italy-and they never were sent.
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mak2 said:
No, you are delusional about how big the world is and how many assets we have. Any time you hear or see, "there were reports" quit listening. There have been reports of Sasquatch's in Ohio too.
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Ah, but this gets to the heart of the matter-the Obama admin has threatened everyone who was there. They can't talk, and those that do often talk off record and anonymously. And beyond that-the admin has been anything but transparent, again they only give up the information AFTER being threatened with lawsuits. Thats exactly why this select committee has been formed-because it has teeth, and the administration wont talk.
 
Again is there really any evidence there is any more than usual secrecy in this case than normal? I would think a whole lot about this might be classified. That does remind me, supposed the WH was moving people around so Fox News could not find them. I would think they have "found" them all by now. What ever came of that. Man, seriously quit just listening to RW noise sources and/or think about what they are saying. Of course there are secrets and federal employees are always told not to talk to the press but refer them to the PAO. I guess we will see what comes from the what? 8th or 15th or something like that committee.
US Conservative said:
Ah, but this gets to the heart of the matter-the Obama admin has threatened everyone who was there. They can't talk, and those that do often talk off record and anonymously. And beyond that-the admin has been anything but transparent, again they only give up the information AFTER being threatened with lawsuits. Thats exactly why this select committee has been formed-because it has teeth, and the administration wont talk.
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mak2 said:
Again is there really any evidence there is any more than usual secrecy in this case than normal? I would think a whole lot about this might be classified. That does remind me, supposed the WH was moving people around so Fox News could not find them. I would think they have "found" them all by now. What ever came of that. Man, seriously quit just listening to RW noise sources and/or think about what they are saying. Of course there are secrets and federal employees are always told not to talk to the press but refer them to the PAO. I guess we will see what comes from the what? 8th or 15th or something like that committee.
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What is this gibberish about moving them around? This isnt hide and go seek, the people who were there-have been told by the Obama admin that they are not to talk to anyone.

And as far as if this is the "normal" amount of secrecy, thats just another thing a select committee might determine.
 
Yea, that is what I thought too. More right wing noise. Anyway, federal employees are ALWAYS told not to talk to the press. Always. So this is one of those things that is kinda true, yes the orders are not to talk to the press, refer the press to the PAO. The untrue part is it is Obama trying to hide the truth. See how that works?
US Conservative said:
What is this gibberish about moving them around? This isnt hide and go seek, the people who were there-have been told by the Obama admin that they are not to talk to anyone.

And as far as if this is the "normal" amount of secrecy, thats just another thing a select committee might determine.
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mak2 said:
So this is one of those things that is kinda true, yes the orders are not to talk to the press, refer the press to the PAO. The untrue part is it is Obama trying to hide the truth. See how that works?
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And you know this how, exactly? Especially considering his stall tactics and refusal to give up information except when forced by law.

What we know-is that every time we get this information, it contradicts his administration.
 
You are right, I don't know Obama is not trying to hide something. Good, exactly what I was trying to say, think about what people are telling you. Now try to think about the long standing rules that federal employees are to refer the press to the PAO. Does that mean Obama is trying to hide something? Or is it just what has always been the rule?
US Conservative said:
And you know this how, exactly? Especially considering his stall tactics and refusal to give up information except when forced by law.

What we know-is that every time we get this information, it contradicts his administration.
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With the DP stats showing roughly 70% of us believing this is just another GOP crises being shoved down their throats, the question begs to be asked. Is the GOP paying any attention to these numbers and how many of those 70% think that using this tragedy, for political points, downright despicable.

I wonder how DP numbers stack up with other polls on the topic?

Let's GOOGLE!!

http:http://www.publicpolicypolling...ers-trust-clinton-over-gop-on-benghazi.html//

Poll: Public not misled on Benghazi - Bobby Cervantes - POLITICO.com

Lots of polls on Benghazi. But not many asking the question regarding the GOP dragging these bodies through the mud to score points. But I did find one article/video clip saying that some victim families have asked them to stop.

But one thing for sure, stats suggest that most people do agree that Obama, et al, handled it badly. But guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors? Meh. Not so much.

It appears that the GOP politicizing this is more unpopular than the way the attack was handled.

Will look more later. PIZZA TIME!
 
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mak2 said:
federal employees are ALWAYS told not to talk to the press. Always
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I agree. I've been a federal employee for fifteen years, in what I'm sure would seem like a very boring agency. No high-performance jet aircraft t' tool around in.

Every time something controversial involving our work gets in the papers, we get emails telling us to not EVER talk to a reporter about it. It makes an impression on me cuz I have a big mouth and I figure I'm too old to find another decent job.

On "stand down," everything I've seen indicates that Obama gave Panetta a free hand to do whatever he could. That was both of them doing their job, right? I read that some people got held up to change uniforms or some nonsense. I'm sure it wouldn't have made a difference. The Libyan government was and I suspect is today kinda weird and not really much in control.

The logic here does seem to be suspect. The argument is made that the administration had good reason to hide things, like claiming that "AQ is on the run" while it's not. Because they are seen as having something to hide, it's assumed that they must be hiding something.

Well, as I've said, AQ is on the run. They've been on the run since Sept 2001. Seems like every few weeks, a whole bunch of 'em get whacked in Yemen or whatever. We can't stop a bunch of guys in a neighborhood somewhere in North Africa from deciding they hate America and they're gonna take up some kind of armed struggle. I sort of fall back on the idea that there's probably not much they can do to get at us in the States. The way violent radicalism is spreading around Central Africa seems very dangerous for the people in those countries.

I'd like to see us find a way to get this conflict wrapped up. I don't really have any ideas other than helping with political/legal/economic/social development, patience, and caution. We obviously can't tolerate murderers, but I don't think hating people gets us too far.
 
pbrauer said:
I seriously doubt the Republicans who keep harping about Benghazi care about the four people who died September 11, 2012. They are in my opinion using their deaths for political gain, they want to use this tragedy to weaken the chances of Hillary Clinton should she decide to run for president in 2014. They misquote what Clinton said during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Jan. 23, 2013, they say she said "What difference does it make?" Here is what she actually said:

"With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator."​
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If Hillary runs we will keep hearing about it, if not this will fade away.
 
mak2 said:
You are right, I don't know Obama is not trying to hide something. Good, exactly what I was trying to say, think about what people are telling you. Now try to think about the long standing rules that federal employees are to refer the press to the PAO. Does that mean Obama is trying to hide something? Or is it just what has always been the rule?
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Like I said, when he is forced to release information, it contradicts the WH story. And the people there are reluctant to talk because of fear of retalitation. Is he trying to hide something? I dont know-but I dont have to speculate, either-the select committee is a means to find out what happened, who knew what and when, and how it can be prevented from happening again-and thats whats going to happen, even if you lefties think its politics (and despite the administration seeking to benefit from manipulation of facts regarding the case).

And I guess its not true, that the marines never leave anyone behind. Tragic.
 
Life is not always a John Wayne movie. What branch of the service was you in?
US Conservative said:
Like I said, when he is forced to release information, it contradicts the WH story. And the people there are reluctant to talk because of fear of retalitation. Is he trying to hide something? I dont know-but I dont have to speculate, either-the select committee is a means to find out what happened, who knew what and when, and how it can be prevented from happening again-and thats whats going to happen, even if you lefties think its politics (and despite the administration seeking to benefit from manipulation of facts regarding the case).

And I guess its not true, that the marines never leave anyone behind. Tragic.
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mak2 said:
Life is not always a John Wayne movie. What branch of the service was you in?
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Leaving behind Americans to die, after hours of begging for help, and after months of requests for increased security is reality to you?

With the Obama administration, it apparently is.
 
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