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Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?[W:29]

Have Feminists Been Used By Corporations To Exploit Women For Profit?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • No

    Votes: 11 57.9%

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Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

In my opinion such a law would be unjust and therefore immoral. It's not reasonable to expect all businesses to always be profitable. Business is usually a matter of winning more than you lose over a given period of time.

You may need to read up on this topic:

eBay v. Newmark: Al Franken Was Right, Corporations Are Legally Required To Maximize Profits

Source: Corporations Are Required By Law To Maximize Profits | eBay v. Newmark | Senator Al Franken
 
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You may need to read up on this topic:

That was indeed interesting. However, I think that requiring a for profit business to be profitable is different from the notion that a corporation should do everything it legally can to maximize profits. The later issue is more complicated because it's possible that such a law could be used to protect shareholders from the misuse of their invested funds. But in my opinion, on the surface of it, that law should probably be written better. But honestly I would need to research the issue more to really be able to say something about it.
 
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Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of women cigarettes, as a symbol of their freedom.

The Museum of Public Relations



It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?

Corporations exploit everyone they can, it's kind of their bag. Right now they exploit near slave labor and no environmental protections from China.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

That was indeed interesting. However, I think that requiring a for profit business to be profitable is different from the notion that a corporation should do everything it legally can to maximize profits. The later issue is more complicated because it's possible that such a law could be used to protect shareholders from the misuse of their invested funds. But in my opinion, on the surface of it, that law should probably be written better. But honestly I would need to research the issue more to really be able to say something about it.

That is ok; the relevance was for this line of reasoning i am arguing:

How do you view any legal requirement for a for-profit Firm to make a profit. It could be viewed as that form of (capital) moral right, versus a (capital) moral wrong in being repugnant to making a profit, potentially, through "poor life choices".
 
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Corporations exploit everyone they can, it's kind of their bag. Right now they exploit near slave labor and no environmental protections from China.

What is interesting in the instance of feminism is that it appears to have advocated ideals like freedom, and the empowerment of women, without actually having put much thought into what exactly it meant to be free and empowered. Driven by a subconscious disdain for men, it blindly thrashes about seeking freedom from any type of constraints that might be imposed by men, while at the same time only having those constraints to use as weapons. It therefore escapes one type of trap only to be ensnared by a trap that is much more sophisticated. That's what is very interesting about the saga of feminism.
 
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A couple of things are of interest

1. Although feminism was not invented by corporations, it's rise and widespread influence were facilitated by corporations that wanted to associated feminism with products in order to exploit women for profit, not necessarily to promote feminism.

2. Although feminism has rejected the objectification of women, it has nonetheless participated in such objectification through lending the use of the association of feminism itself with that objectification.

Yes...like every rugged individual drives a truck, smoke Marlboro cigs (if he smokes), and owns a gun. Every free thinker owns an apple product and drives a Prius.

It's marketing...that's what they do..they objectify movements where using/owning a brand is what makes you part of a movement/culture
What you posted was interesting but it's not like it's uncommon for virtually every segment of society.
 
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Yes...like every rugged individual drives a truck, smoke Marlboro cigs (if he smokes), and owns a gun. Every free thinker owns an apple product and drives a Prius.

It's marketing...that's what they do..they objectify movements where using/owning a brand is what makes you part of a movement/culture
What you posted was interesting but it's not like it's uncommon for virtually every segment of society.

Is there a group of rugged individuals that is advocating independence and empowerment for rugged individuals and complains about the objectification of rugged individuals, but at the same time allows the concept of rugged individualism itself to be exploited such that rugged individuals who buy trucks are made to believe that they are independent and empowered?
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

Is there a group of rugged individuals that is advocating independence and empowerment for rugged individuals and complains about the objectification of rugged individuals, but at the same time allows the concept of rugged individualism itself to be exploited such that rugged individuals who buy trucks are made to believe that they are independent and empowered?

There are two different aspects we're talking about.

One is the actual feminist movement. Women that accomplished real objectives and changed the role of women in the workplace/classroom/home etc.

There's no doubt that has occurred. How rare is a young female doctor now-a-days?

That's different than a woman wanting to be perceived as a "modern woman". That's what Virginia Slims was doing. "This is what the modern feminist woman smokes".

There's no doubt they may of made is "cool" through ads or popularized the image. I don't agree with the idea it's exploitation or it's unique from most advertising.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

There are two different aspects we're talking about.

One is the actual feminist movement. Women that accomplished real objectives and changed the role of women in the workplace/classroom/home etc.

There's no doubt that has occurred. How rare is a young female doctor now-a-days?

That's different than a woman wanting to be perceived as a "modern woman". That's what Virginia Slims was doing. "This is what the modern feminist woman smokes".

There's no doubt they may of made is "cool" through ads or popularized the image. I don't agree with the idea it's exploitation or it's unique from most advertising.

No, cigarette manufacturers have exploited feminism itself for the sake of selling cigarettes. Bernays, Torches of Freedom march is a clear example of that. Torches of freedom, in other words smoking cigarettes will give you freedom. That was the whole point of the matter. Bernays contacted a psychoanalyst and that's where he got the idea. That's clear exploitation of feminism. Not only that, but the corporations have used feminist themselves to assist them. Ruth Hale, a prominent feminist, encouraged women to light of a torch of freedom. It's clear exploitation. No doubt about it.
 
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It is very sad that the leaders of the feminist movement have allowed feminism to be used as a prostitute for the sake of increasing corporate profits. In the process, instead of empowering and freeing women in general, they have merely made them corporate slaves at best or unemployed single moms, dependent on the welfare state at worse.
 
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the only feminists I have met were mean,fat,ugly,old, lesbian women with butch haircuts. A normal pretty woman doesn't have to be a feminist to get what she wants. All she has to do is smile.
Actually, the most Obese people on the Planet reside in the Middle East.
Mostly Gulf State Arabs and "starv!ng" Palestinians .. running at 1/3 or more.

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Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

Corporations exploit everything for corporate profit. That doesn't invalidate the things they're exploiting, only the corporations and their profits.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

What is interesting in the instance of feminism is that it appears to have advocated ideals like freedom, and the empowerment of women, without actually having put much thought into what exactly it meant to be free and empowered. Driven by a subconscious disdain for men, it blindly thrashes about seeking freedom from any type of constraints that might be imposed by men, while at the same time only having those constraints to use as weapons. It therefore escapes one type of trap only to be ensnared by a trap that is much more sophisticated. That's what is very interesting about the saga of feminism.
So, it turns out you don't know much about feminism at all then.
I'm actually a little disappointed.

It is very sad that the leaders of the feminist movement have allowed feminism to be used as a prostitute for the sake of increasing corporate profits. In the process, instead of empowering and freeing women in general, they have merely made them corporate slaves at best or unemployed single moms, dependent on the welfare state at worse.
I've already posted about this - 'feminism' is not a monolithic movement. There is no secret Feminist Cabinet that all feminists (radfem or otherwise) submit planning applications to.

You seem to be beating a dead horse here now - or rather, trying to increaingly use one example to trash your version of 'feminism' as a whole. It's been pretty much agreed by all that equality is good, independence is good, but that the two sometimes conflict - and that capitalism exploits all things, from communism to feminism to conservatism, both men to women. That's about all that you can get from this - but you seem to be trying for more.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

So, it turns out you don't know much about feminism at all then.
I'm actually a little disappointed.

It appears that your objection is

Mildsteel said

Driven by a subconscious disdain for men

In some cases, it's not subconscious at all. In other cases, it manifest in the constant use of patriarchy as an object of blame and disdain. There is no doubt that there exists quite a bit of hostility between the sexes. Men are affected by it, and feminists are no exception.

I've already posted about this - 'feminism' is not a monolithic movement. There is no secret Feminist Cabinet that all feminists (radfem or otherwise) submit planning applications to.

The leaders of the movement did not speak out against such exploitation. And some, such as Billy Jean King directly participated in it.

You seem to be beating a dead horse here now - or rather, trying to increaingly use one example to trash your version of 'feminism' as a whole.

It's not a dead horse by a long shot. I have given an example of how such exploitation continues to this day. Beyonce is put forward as a role model for feminism. But Beyonce has contributed to the notion of the objectification of women.

It's been pretty much agreed by all that equality is good, independence is good, but that the two sometimes conflict - and that capitalism exploits all things, from communism to feminism to conservatism, both men to women. That's about all that you can get from this - but you seem to be trying for more.

I have stated what is problematic in the instance of feminism. Show me where a large corporation is exploiting communism in such a way that if you consume that product, you will be free of capitalist control.
 
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Actually, the most Obese people on the Planet reside in the Middle East.
Mostly Gulf State Arabs and "starv!ng" Palestinians .. running at 1/3 or more.

Not as fat as you tried to make that mandate.

BTW, you are in the wrong thread.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

Corporations exploit everything for corporate profit. That doesn't invalidate the things they're exploiting, only the corporations and their profits.

In this instance feminism was exploited in such a way that the exploitation countered the very goals that feminism tries to achieve, e.g. independence and empowerment.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

In some cases, it's not subconscious at all. In other cases, it manifest in the constant use of patriarchy as an object of blame and disdain. There is no doubt that there exists quite a bit of hostility between the sexes. Men are affected by it, and feminists are no exception.
It is largely non-existent - you may feel it (in fact, you indirectly admit to doing so here) but don't project your own feelings onto others. There are plenty of male feminists, and female feminists, who do not feel 'disdain for men'.

The leaders of the movement did not speak out against such exploitation. And some, such as Billy Jean King directly participated in it.
How many times do I have to say this? There is no monolithic 'movement'. There is no 'leaders', because there is lots of people who probably would disagree with each other over all sorts of things (see, for example, radfems vs trans feminism) but who all have the common aim of 'equality'. That's feminism, at it's core, but beyond that, there is no overwhelming organisation. This isn't Catholicism.

It's not a dead horse by a long shot. I have given an example of how such exploitation continues to this day. Beyonce is put forward as a role model for feminism. But Beyonce has contributed to the notion of the objectification of women.
And, like your original example, that example is met with the response of "all ideologies are exploited by capitalism", and "feminism is not monolithic". There is at least one school of thought within feminism which has absolutely no issue with objectification, as long as the woman herself is the one choosing to be portrayed in an objectifying light.

I have stated what is problematic in the instance of feminism. Show me where a large corporation is exploiting communism in such a way that if you consume that product, you will be free of capitalist control.
The Communist Manifesto - now only £4.49!.
 
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It is largely non-existent - you may feel it (in fact, you indirectly admit to doing so here) but don't project your own feelings onto others.

Non-existent? I disagree. There is no need to project because it's already there. Surely you must have heard of Catherine MacKinnon. According to Stanford Law School professor Kathleen Sullivan

"There are many other prominent feminist theorists in our times, but none of their philosophy is as sweeping and profound as MacKinnon's."

MacKinnon has said that Andrea Dworkin was

"an inspiration for so many women."

Here's what Andrea Dworkin had to say regarding men

“Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."

Surely such sentiments would be inspiring for persons who have a subconscious disdain of men.

Here's an interesting video



There are plenty of male feminists, and female feminists, who do not feel 'disdain for men'.

Perhaps, but there are plenty that do.
 
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How many times do I have to say this? There is no monolithic 'movement'. There is no 'leaders', because there is lots of people who probably would disagree with each other over all sorts of things (see, for example, radfems vs trans feminism) but who all have the common aim of 'equality'. That's feminism, at it's core, but beyond that, there is no overwhelming organisation. This isn't Catholicism.

Feminists have been able to speak out against patriarchy. Why have they not spoken out against the use of feminism itself as a tool for the exploitation of women?

And, like your original example, that example is met with the response of "all ideologies are exploited by capitalism", and "feminism is not monolithic". There is at least one school of thought within feminism which has absolutely no issue with objectification, as long as the woman herself is the one choosing to be portrayed in an objectifying light.

My response is that feminism cannot proclaim to be against the objectification of women, but at the same time support such objectification. It's just inconsistent.

Mildsteel said
Show me where a large corporation is exploiting communism in such a way that if you consume that product, you will be free of capitalist control.

iangb responded

I'm not talking about putting a book for sale on Amazon. I'm talking about a large corporation deliberately associating the ideals of communism with the consumption of a product as in

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and

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So, for example, show me a Nike ad, (or any other corporate commodity) that put's forward the notion that by wearing Nike's you are freeing yourself of capitalist control.
 
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Feminists have been able to speak out against patriarchy. Why have they not spoken out against the use of feminism itself as a tool for the exploitation of women?



My response is that feminism cannot proclaim to be against the objectification of women, but at the same time support such objectification. It's just inconsistent.

Mildsteel said


iangb responded


I'm not talking about putting a book for sale on Amazon. I'm talking about a large corporation deliberately associating the ideals of communism with the consumption of a product as in


and


So, for example, show me a Nike ad, (or any other corporate commodity) that put's forward the notion that by wearing Nike's you are freeing yourself of capitalist control.

Apple comes to mind in the 'anti-communist regime' advertisement crowd - but you're going back to the 70's . . . So: 15 Interesting Cold War Vintage Ads (war advertising, war ads) - ODDEE
We waged war against communism in a sense.

Marketers target anything if it'll make a sale.

As for anti capitalistic: seen Che anywhere? I did - just yesterday I stopped in at Hot Topics to look for a T-shirt for my husband. There he was: on a shirt, faithful as always.

To advertise against a political system you merely need to embody or embrace figures that stand as such. Che Guerva is one, and anything aimed toward Freedom Fights and Occupy Wallstreet would be advertisement example for another.

There's nothing that's off limits: if it will make money it will be marketed somehow, by someone, to someone.
 
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Apple comes to mind in the 'anti-communist regime' advertisement crowd - but you're going back to the 70's . . . So: 15 Interesting Cold War Vintage Ads (war advertising, war ads) - ODDEE
We waged war against communism in a sense.

Marketers target anything if it'll make a sale.

Of course they will use anti communism itself because that fits into the capitalist scheme of promoting the idea that the consumption of corporate products is the source of happiness and symbolic of success in life. As I pointed out to someone earlier in this thread, this is the real source of capitalist power in the world. Because as long as people believe this false notion, capitalists will be able to control them. They will bow down in all humility and do any disgusting thing, even to the point of sucking someone's d***, to get money so that they can obtain such objects. People will kill one another for money. They will back stab their friends for money. They will sell their mother down the river for money. And feminists, in order to get money, have allowed corporations to take the ideals of feminism itself, such as female liberation, associate those ideals with corporate goods, and exploit other women with the lie that using those products is somehow liberating.

As for anti capitalistic: seen Che anywhere? I did - just yesterday I stopped in at Hot Topics to look for a T-shirt for my husband. There he was: on a shirt, faithful as always.

To advertise against a political system you merely need to embody or embrace figures that stand as such. Che Guerva is one, and anything aimed toward Freedom Fights and Occupy Wallstreet would be advertisement example for another.

There's nothing that's off limits: if it will make money it will be marketed somehow, by someone, to someone.

I disagree that to putting a picture of Che Guevara on a T shirt and selling it is necessarily embracing and embodying Che. In that case, the consumer has to make the association, without further corporate assistance, between the ideals that Che promoted and the T shirt. For example, I had seen T shirts of Che, without even knowing who he was, and just thought it was a nice looking T shirt. The corporation does not embrace and embody Che in this instance because it depends on the consumer having already done that. That is very different from a corporation devising propaganda that makes the direct association between the ideals and the product. In that case, the corporation must directly embrace and embody the ideal because it has to directly make the association itself. And it cannot make the association if it does not embrace those ideals. Again this example

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In this ad the corporation is making a direct link between the ideals of feminism and the consumption of the product. They did this without any feminist protest. And that is what is interesting in the case of feminism. Corporations have directly taken feminist ideals, without protest from feminist leaders, and associated those ideals with the consumption of corporate products to exploit women. I don't think large corporations have done that with communism, because that would directly counter the source of their power. Communism is about taking control of the means of production from those very same corporations. They are not going to directly promote communism in that way. That would be suicide. In the case of feminism, they have quite correctly calculated that the feminist narrative suits the capitalist narrative well, in that it gives them more people to exploit as a source of labor. For example, the denigration of the role of women taking care of the home. It removes the dependency of the woman on her husband and replaces it with dependency on the capitalist. The capitalist welcomes that notion because now he has more people to exploit for labor, which will drive his labor costs down. Therefore we see this type of association in this ad

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Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

Non-existent? I disagree. There is no need to project because it's already there. Surely you must have heard of Catherine MacKinnon. According to Stanford Law School professor Kathleen Sullivan



MacKinnon has said that Andrea Dworkin was



Here's what Andrea Dworkin had to say regarding men
....you really didn't read what I posted in my first post here. I'll repeat it - you're talking about Imaginary Feminism, not the real thing.

Imaginary Feminism is monolithic.
This is very important. Anything said by anyone calling themselves a feminist can be assumed to be true of anyone else calling themselves a feminist. Some random thing Andrea Dworkin said in 1973 is tattooed on all IF's chests backward so they can read it in the mirror. All IFs simultaneously subscribe to the beliefs of Valerie Solanas, Catharine McKinnon, Betty Dodson, Phyllis Schlafly, Twisty Faster, and that person who wrote those weird articles about Firefly. Or, I mean, all the beliefs you know about. Don't feel over-pressured to actually learn anything about these people.


Feminists have been able to speak out against patriarchy. Why have they not spoken out against the use of feminism itself as a tool for the exploitation of women?
Can you prove that none did? From several decades ago?

My response is that feminism cannot proclaim to be against the objectification of women, but at the same time support such objectification. It's just inconsistent.
The core of feminism is not against the objectification of women - indeed, as I just said, there are those feminists who would say that objectifcation is fine as long as it is by choice (of course, there are other feminists who would disagree). The core of feminism is equality.

I'm not talking about putting a book for sale on Amazon. I'm talking about a large corporation deliberately associating the ideals of communism with the consumption of a product as in

....

So, for example, show me a Nike ad, (or any other corporate commodity) that put's forward the notion that by wearing Nike's you are freeing yourself of capitalist control.
See Aunt Spiker's post.
 
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Of course they will use anti communism itself because that fits into the capitalist scheme of promoting the idea that the consumption of corporate products is the source of happiness and symbolic of success in life. As I pointed out to someone earlier in this thread, this is the real source of capitalist power in the world. Because as long as people believe this false notion, capitalists will be able to control them. They will bow down in all humility and do any disgusting thing, even to the point of sucking someone's d***, to get money so that they can obtain such objects. People will kill one another for money. They will back stab their friends for money. They will sell their mother down the river for money. And feminists, in order to get money, have allowed corporations to take the ideals of feminism itself, such as female liberation, associate those ideals with corporate goods, and exploit other women with the lie that using those products is somehow liberating.



I disagree that to putting a picture of Che Guevara on a T shirt and selling it is necessarily embracing and embodying Che. In that case, the consumer has to make the association, without further corporate assistance, between the ideals that Che promoted and the T shirt. For example, I had seen T shirts of Che, without even knowing who he was, and just thought it was a nice looking T shirt. The corporation does not embrace and embody Che in this instance because it depends on the consumer having already done that. That is very different from a corporation devising propaganda that makes the direct association between the ideals and the product. In that case, the corporation must directly embrace and embody the ideal because it has to directly make the association itself. And it cannot make the association if it does not embrace those ideals. Again this example

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In this ad the corporation is making a direct link between the ideals of feminism and the consumption of the product. They did this without any feminist protest. And that is what is interesting in the case of feminism. Corporations have directly taken feminist ideals, without protest from feminist leaders, and associated those ideals with the consumption of corporate products to exploit women. I don't think large corporations have done that with communism, because that would directly counter the source of their power. Communism is about taking control of the means of production from those very same corporations. They are not going to directly promote communism in that way. That would be suicide. In the case of feminism, they have quite correctly calculated that the feminist narrative suits the capitalist narrative well, in that it gives them more people to exploit as a source of labor. For example, the denigration of the role of women taking care of the home. It removes the dependency of the woman on her husband and replaces it with dependency on the capitalist. The capitalist welcomes that notion because now he has more people to exploit for labor, which will drive his labor costs down. Therefore we see this type of association in this ad

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Strange, funny, and amusing that you'll try to differentiate between using women to market a product (bad, we should rally against it I suppose) - and then using Che Guerva to market a product or ideal (and it's not even bad or good or reflective of anything. He's just a cool looking dude that represents nothing?)

Even though - I still argue - it's all the same.

Further: go to other countries where communism and other such capitalist-alternatives are the mainstay and you will find equal advertising that reflects what we've done in the US. Marketing to a niche / marketing to an interest.

My sister's store in Pennsylvania markets pro-Russian products. All you need are figures and symbols to express political views: that's it.

In a way relying on notable people and symbols is a modern shift in marketing overall. Logos. Brand figures. Faces. Images - not words. Quite a bit of advertising in the past relied heavily on words along with images (the adds you've posted and the ones I linked to were text heavy). These days it's not uncommon to see image heavy product marketing with scant or no text what so ever. They tap into popular associations and placement of elements to strike interest. Contrasts the evoke emotion, colors that stir certain thoughts.

If I wanted to tap into technologically minded individuals I might choose Tron neon: white/blue glow, black, white and gray metallic and glass. Perhaps motherboard green with neon pathways as a background. Product in front: done and done.

Today: If they want to market toward a certain type of woman or a man they'd simply place relative items with that gender - maybe a certain hairdo. How are feminists marketed to, today, (since that's the topic here). Well: working moms on the go.

Busy? (don't worry: a dab of flour will make them think you slaved all day to make those rice crispie treats).
Tired? (There's 5-hour energy. Look how perfectly put together and sheek that woman is sitting at her desk with a small bottle next to her computer).
Voting? (Oh - remember those 'use your voice' adds that had gorgeous women with tape over their mouths? Thus censoring their voice. Ah - but if you vote! You don't lose your voice, do you? Tearing away the proverbial tape!)

Don't need words, don't need anything - just an image.
 
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Strange, funny, and amusing that you'll try to differentiate between using women to market a product (bad, we should rally against it I suppose) - and then using Che Guerva to market a product or ideal (and it's not even bad or good or reflective of anything. He's just a cool looking dude that represents nothing?)

Even though - I still argue - it's all the same.

Further: go to other countries where communism and other such capitalist-alternatives are the mainstay and you will find equal advertising that reflects what we've done in the US. Marketing to a niche / marketing to an interest.

My sister's store in Pennsylvania markets pro-Russian products. All you need are figures and symbols to express political views: that's it.

In a way relying on notable people and symbols is a modern shift in marketing overall. Logos. Brand figures. Faces. Images - not words. Quite a bit of advertising in the past relied heavily on words along with images. These days it's not uncommon to see image heavy product marketing with scant or no text what so ever. They tap into popular associations and placement of elements to strike interest.

If I wanted to tap into technologically minded individuals I might choose Tron neon: white/blue glow, black, white and gray metallic and glass. Perhaps motherboard green with neon pathways as a background. Product in front: done and done.

I don't understand why an intelligent person like you cannot see that there is a difference in merely putting an image of Che Guevara on a T shirt and selling it, and actually embracing communist ideology, associating it with a product and thereby falsely leading people to believe that buy consuming the product, they are contributing to the rise of communism to the detriment of capitalism. For instance, what if Ralph Lauren put out an ad that said:

"The downfall of capitalism is imminent. We at Ralph Lauren realize that you, the socialist worker, deserves to take control of the means of production. We salute you comrade. Our Che Guevara T shirts celebrate the rise of communism and the fall of capitalism."

Do you see what I'm talking about, and how that is different from just putting an image of Che on a T shirt?
 
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I don't understand why an intelligent person like you cannot see that there is a difference in merely putting an image of Che Guevara on a T shirt and selling it, and actually embracing communist ideology, associating it with a product and thereby falsely leading people to believe that buy consuming the product, they are contributing to the rise of communism to the detriment of capitalism. For instance, what if Ralph Lauren put out an ad that said:

"The downfall of capitalism is imminent. We at Ralph Lauren realize that you, the socialist worker, deserves to take control of the means of production. We salute you comrade. Our Che Guevara T shirts celebrate the rise of communism and the fall of capitalism."

Do you see what I'm talking about, and how that is different from just putting an image of Che on a T shirt?

Well look at it this way: If someone gave you a Che Guerva T-shirt would you wear it?

Why or why not?

- Exactly

The difference is the purpose: product Vs ideal. . . but in the end it boils down to appealing to someone's ideals in order to sell either an ideal or a product.
 
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