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Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?[W:29]

Have Feminists Been Used By Corporations To Exploit Women For Profit?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • No

    Votes: 11 57.9%

  • Total voters
    19
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

I think that's a given.

Watch, the kid will post a celebrity pic and be like "see, I get hot chicks too!"
I'd briefly considered trying the same with Jessica Alba, but realised no one would buy it.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

*sigh*

I'm simply saying: if it will sell a product - then corporations will use it.

Ok. But it is rather interesting that, in the example I presented, the tobacco company was not initially interested in women's rights. They were merely trying to get women to smoke so that they could increase their sales. They asked Bernays to find a way to do it, and he conceived of the notion of associating women smoking with the liberation of women. It's of especially of interest because in the name of women's freedom, women are encouraged to become a slave to the dangerous habit of smoking cigarettes.
 
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"You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece".

- Brick Top
 
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To further illustrate the point, here's a link of interest from the Stanford School of Medicine

Stanford Research into the Impact of Tobacco Advertising

One of the most common techniques tobacco companies employ in order to target women is women's liberation. Specifically, these advertisements show a woman in a position of power over a man, while being careful to keep the power-play light, carefree, and a bit flirtatious. The ads are prudent, hoping not to offend anyone while appearing to "take sides," so to speak, with women. Often, these ads distract from the position of power Big Tobacco itself holds over both sexes, by pitting women against men instead of against Big Tobacco.

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Ok. But it is rather interesting that, in the example I presented, the tobacco company was not initially interested in women's rights. They were merely trying to get women to smoke so that they could increase their sales. They asked Bernays to find a way to do it, and he conceived of the notion of associating women smoking with the liberation of women. It's of especially of interest because in the name of women's freedom, women are encouraged to become a slave to the dangerous habit of smoking cigarettes.

Yes - that's how brutal, big-time marketing is done. Exactly like that. It's dirty business, but that's how they do it. No denial here - that's exactly what they do.

Remember the movie Wayne's World? "Purchase feeble public access cable show and exploit it" - - - That's the guts of brutal marketing.

Sure, companies would like for us to know they care about us. But they don't. Most don't, anyway, some do. Some wouldn't exploit people's weaknesses (or strengths) or inner desires. However, most would and *do* - often - with great success.

Small businesses are the ones who risk public lashback and can never do such things. However, corporate giants such as tobacco companies don't have to worry about critics lashing out with negative impacts on sales. Odds are: they'll just exploit any negativity and still fatten their pockets.
 
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Yes - that's how brutal, big-time marketing is done. Exactly like that. It's dirty business, but that's how they do it. No denial here - that's exactly what they do.

Remember the movie Wayne's World? "Purchase feeble public access cable show and exploit it" - - - That's the guts of brutal marketing.

Sure, companies would like for us to know they care about us. But they don't. Most don't, anyway, some do. Some wouldn't exploit people's weaknesses (or strengths) or inner desires. However, most would and *do* - often - with great success.

Small businesses are the ones who risk public lashback and can never do such things. However, corporate giants such as tobacco companies don't have to worry about critics lashing out with negative impacts on sales. Odds are: they'll just exploit any negativity and still fatten their pockets.

Absolutely. It's very cruel IMO.
 
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Absolutely. It's very cruel IMO.

In business it's classified as 'clever marketing skills' and so forth.

And of course: marketing isn't just for corporations - politicians do it, too, quite a bit. People just don't like to admit that.
 
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In business it's classified as 'clever marketing skills' and so forth.

And of course: marketing isn't just for corporations - politicians do it, too, quite a bit. People just don't like to admit that.

Of course politicians do it. I think liberal elites have exploited women, just as they have exploited blacks. It was rather interesting to have observed Bill Clinton throw blacks under the bus with welfare reform when it became politically expedient to do so.
 
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Here's an interesting snippet from an article

That the rise and fall of Second-Wave feminism is extant in late-20th century slim cigarette advertising suggests that smoking had become, to many, culturally synonymous with female liberation—and its disappearance from these ads showcased the apolitical attitudes of a new generation of American women.

The Death of the Cool Feminist Smoker - Adrian Shirk - The Atlantic
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

Note the phrase: Back then education taught men to run the world and women to run the house

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Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

I voted yes to this poll. Here is somebody that has a little more insight on the topic:

We're easier to manage, cheaper and are wiling to put up with a lot of crap?

LOL

Sure, whatever.

When someone says whatever it means that they go along with what you are saying.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

When someone says whatever it means that they go along with what you are saying.

That's not true. You really need to better understand the "**** off" that "whatever" is. This is a horrible confusion. People have basically been saying "**** off" and you've been interpreting it completely wrong. There must be dozens of people out there whom you think agree with you when that's not the case.
 
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Here's some more article snippets

Why do nearly one-fifth of women in America smoke? The answer goes back to an event almost 80 years ago on Fifth Avenue, which is often regarded as one of the most successful P.R. stunts in American history.
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But the tobacco companies wanted to change this view. “The industry understood that they were half of humanity,” Dr. Jackler said.

So in 1928, Edward Bernays, often considered the father of modern public relations, was retained by American Tobacco Company to help get women to smoke.

Recognizing that women were still riding high on the suffrage movement, Mr. Bernays used the equality angle as the basis for his new campaign. He convinced a number of genteel women, including his own secretary, to march in the 1929 Easter Day parade down Fifth Avenue and light up cigarettes in a defiant show of their liberation.
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Dr. Jackler said his mother came of age influenced by the ads. She started smoking in college in the 1940s at the University of Vermont. Her cancer had prompted his interest in that era of tobacco marketing. (Now, more women die of lung cancer than from breast cancer.)

“She thought it would be smart and sassy thing to smoke,” Dr. Jackler said. “She thought it would make her elegant and mature and sophisticated.”

Documents from the files of the tobacco companies, released in 1998, indicated they had studied female smoking habits through research projects with names like “Tomorrow’s Female,” “Cosmo” and “Virile Female.” Marketing cigarettes for women continued with the introduction of Virginia Slims in 1968, which for decades used the theme “You’ve come a long way, baby” as an allusion to the feminist movement.

“There is a bump in women’s smoking in the 1970s,” Dr. Jackler said.

That increase has shown up now, he added, as more cases of “lung cancer and emphysema, because they started smoking in the ’70s because of the Virginia Slim ads.”

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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...womens-liberation/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
 
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Some more of interest

To expand the number of women smokers Hill decided to hire Edward Bernays, who today is known as the father of public relations, to help him recruit women smokers. Bernays decided to attempt to eliminate the social taboo of women smoking in public. He gained advice from psychoanalyst A. A. Brill stated that it was normal for women to smoke because of oral fixation and said, “Today the emancipation of women has suppressed many of their feminine desires. More women now do the same work as men do. Many women bear no children; those who do bear have fewer children. Feminine traits are masked. Cigarettes, which are equated with men, become torches of freedom.” In 1929 Bernays decided to pay women to smoke their “torches of freedom” as they walked in the Easter Sunday Parade in New York. This was a shock because until that time, women were only permitted to smoke in certain places such as in the privacy of their own homes. He was very careful when picking women to march because “while they should be good looking, they should not look too model-y” and he hired his own photographers to make sure that good pictures were taken and then published around the world. Feminist Ruth Hale also called for women to join in the march saying, “Women! Light another torch of freedom! Fight another sex taboo!”

Please note the psychological analysis that stated that the emancipation of women has suppressed many of their feminine desires. Very, very interesting.

Please also note how the feminist Ruth Hale was used to help exploit women in the sinister campaign. Very, very, very interesting indeed!

Torches of Freedom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The WHO has noted that tobacco companies have sponsored women's organizations in it's efforts to exploit women

Tobacco companies are exploiting women's struggle for equal rights by creating the impression that tobacco makes women more confident, more sexually attractive, and more in control of their own destiny, a World Health Organization (WHO) report has claimed.

The industry is also making inaccurate health claims that certain cigarettes are “light” or “mild,” according to the WHO's report. In some countries the tobacco companies are sponsoring beauty pageants, sports and arts events, and even women's organisations to influence young women to use tobacco.

A WHO spokesperson said that Ligget-Ducat, one of Russia's largest cigarette manufacturers and which is now owned by Gallagher, has recently sponsored a “La Femme Woman of the Year” competition to promote its “La Femme” brand. The competition was to find the woman who had made the greatest lifetime achievement to Russian society, and it was won by 65 year old actress Lyudima Gurchenko. And in the United States, cigarette manufacturers Philip Morris and R J Reynolds have provided sponsorship for various women's organisations, including the National Women's Political Caucus and the Center for Women Policy Studies.
 
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Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of
women cigarettes,
as a symbol of their freedom.

The Museum of Public Relations



It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?




What are 'women cigarettes'?
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of women cigarettes, as a symbol of their freedom.

The Museum of Public Relations



It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

So the question is,
have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?




Has any group of people ever been taken advantage of by any other group of people for any reason?
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

What are 'women cigarettes'?

That's just like asking what are 'boys toys' if I said 'selling boys toys.' But if you insist, to be clear, 'selling cigarettes to women.'
 
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Has any group of people ever been taken advantage of by any other group of people for any reason?

What I find that is interesting in this instance is that one can trace the rise of feminism directly to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.
 
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It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?

How can the women reaction against corporate exploitation of women (i.e., feminism) be itself used to increase corporate profit nevertheless?

It is like women were being exploited for profit from corporates thus feminism came. Now feminism too is being exploited for profit? Either feminists are not serving their purpose then or they do not seem capable to.
 
Re: Have Feminists Been Used To Exploit Women For Corporate Profit?

Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda, was famous for his Torches of Freedom march. Basically, Bernays was hired by the big tobacco companies to get women to smoke so the companies could increase their profits by selling women cigarettes. To accomplish this, Bernays got prominent women, who were involved in the campaign for women's rights, to organize a giant march of women cigarettes, as a symbol of their freedom.

The Museum of Public Relations



It appears that the rise in feminism can be traced to the desire by corporations to exploit women for profit.

So the question is, have feminists been used by corporations to exploit women to increase corporate profit?

From what you've posted the move for women to be treated equal started first. Companies co-op movements or views to sell their products. Believe me I vomit in my mouth everytime I see a company use soldiers to sell their products. They didn't create the publics goodwill for people that serve but they sure as hell want to cash in on it.
 
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From what you've posted the move for women to be treated equal started first. Companies co-op movements or views to sell their products. Believe me I vomit in my mouth everytime I see a company use soldiers to sell their products. They didn't create the publics goodwill for people that serve but they sure as hell want to cash in on it.

A couple of things are of interest

1. Although feminism was not invented by corporations, it's rise and widespread influence were facilitated by corporations that wanted to associated feminism with products in order to exploit women for profit, not necessarily to promote feminism.

2. Although feminism has rejected the objectification of women, it has nonetheless participated in such objectification through lending the use of the association of feminism itself with that objectification.
 
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How can the women reaction against corporate exploitation of women (i.e., feminism) be itself used to increase corporate profit nevertheless?

It is like women were being exploited for profit from corporates thus feminism came. Now feminism too is being exploited for profit? Either feminists are not serving their purpose then or they do not seem capable to.

You have made a very, very good point here. First of all though, I think we should point out, for the sake of clarity, that feminism was not solely a response to corporate exploitation of women. In a larger sense, it was a response to what some felt was an unjust system of patriarchy that existed prior to the rise of corporations. The corporate structure just happens to be a major part of that system of patriarchy.

Having said that, to answer your first question, I think it is the result of a combination of several factors.

1. In some instances feminist leaders simply did not understand that corporations were using them to exploit women. For instance, with Bernays' Torches of Freedom march, Bernays did not directly send out the mailings that instigated the march. Rather he cleverly had someone else do it and did not indicate that American Tobacco Company was behind the plot.

2. When women were co-opted into the corporate power structure, this had the effect of actually blinding women to the fact that women were being exploited because women were taking part in the exploitation. It is similar to the effect that Obama's election as President of the United States has had on some blacks. It makes them feel that they have a larger share in the political power structure than they have in reality, and it also helps to blind them to the fact that they are being exploited by liberal elites. In a similar way, co-opting women in the the corporate power structure gave women in general a sense that they had more power than they actually have in truth. In reality, the corporate power structure is still dominated by white males. And just like blacks, in general have little power in the political power structure relative to their numbers, women, in general have little power in the corporate power structure relative to their numbers.

3. It is possible that feminist leaders felt that having access to the financial resources and media attention was worth the sacrifice of such exploitation.
 
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