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Death Penalty, for or against

Do you support the death penalty?

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ecofarm said:
A caged person is no threat to society. There is no need to "put them down". It's just killing for vengeance, purely emotional and pointless.

Terrorists love killing helpless captives.
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I agree! :) Also, here is a list of countries that we keep company with, a lot of other countries have already abolished the death penalty.

Death Penalty Permitted
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Chad
China (People's Republic)
Comoros
Congo (Democratic Republic)
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Ethiopia
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Malaysia
Mongolia
Nigeria
North Korea
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Qatar
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Somalia
South Sudan
Sudan
Syria
Taiwan
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Vietnam
Yemen
Zimbabwe


Read more: The Death Penalty Worldwide | Infoplease.com The Death Penalty Worldwide | Infoplease.com
 
lizzie said:
You can just cool it with the hyperbole. It's not going to affect my position. It isn't killing for vengeance. It is administering justice for those who were wronged.
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You like killing, I get it. You like killing helpless, caged people. I'm sure it makes you feel so strong.

Who am I to change that?
 
lizzie said:
No. It is the perfect balance for the crime committed.
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It's lowering yourself to their level. I guess, for some people, that feels good.
 
ChrisL said:
So what makes us better than them?
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Dumb question. for starters, most people aren't psychopaths who rape and murder others. That alone makes "us" better.

ChrisL said:
They kill someone, causing a family unimaginable grief, so we turn around, as civilized people, and do it to another family? It's just kind of sick.
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That's how evil spreads. Such is life.. the family of the sickos responsible for many of these terrible crimes are not the priority.
 
ecofarm said:
You like killing, I get it. You like killing helpless, caged people. I'm sure it makes you feel so strong.

Who am I to change that?
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You are so wrong in your assumptions that it is hard for me to fathom. This has nothing to do with liking killing. It has everything to do with justice being served. Justice is not emotional. It is perfectly sober, and it is not biased. Justice is met when the scales are balanced. This cannot be that difficult for you to understand. Certainly.
 
Cyrylek said:
What else compares with destroying a whole universe that is another person?
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Said 'person' just raped and murdered a teen girl.
 
lizzie said:
You are so wrong in your assumptions that it is hard for me to fathom. This has nothing to do with liking killing. It has everything to do with justice being served. Justice is not emotional. It is perfectly sober, and it is not biased. Justice is met when the scales are balanced. This cannot be that difficult for you to understand. Certainly.
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Justice is not served by killing helpless harmless captives. Such a sense of justice is depraved. Justice is served when society rises above and validates its existence.
 
ecofarm said:
You like killing, I get it. You like killing helpless, caged people. I'm sure it makes you feel so strong.

Who am I to change that?
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You must be trolling. No way are you serious.
 
NoC_T said:
You must be trolling. No way are you serious.
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Enlightened individuals understand vengeance (based on emotion) has no place in a justice system. There is no point to killing a caged person.
 
ecofarm said:
Enlightened individuals understand vengeance (based on emotion) has no place in a justice system. There is no point to killing a caged person.
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That may be so but caged people do kill even after being caged.
 
NoC_T said:
Said 'person' just raped and murdered a teen girl.
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Lock him up, so that he cannot hurt anyone else. And - do not offer him the easy way out. He did what he did - let him live with it, however cruel that may be. We are not like him. We do not kill people who are not attacking us. Let him know it.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, danarhea. :2wave:

Was it botched, or is that a usual procedure in Oklahoma to have them awake and aware? I'm surprised no one intervened. :shock:

Off topic, what how was the Willis trip? Fun?
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Yea, we kicked ass at Blueberry Hill. Thanx for asking. :)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That may be so but caged people do kill even after being caged.
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The rarity of a prisoner in max security and solitary managing to kill someone is sufficient that we, as a society, have taken all reasonable action. Other prisoners are there of their own actions and guards are volunteers. That extremely minor exposure of society to the convict is far more ethically acceptable than slaughtering helpless people.
 
Alyssa said:
well gosh-- i wonder how much pain his victim was as she was buried alive.
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Probably a lot, but not a reason for the government to be like the murderer.
 
ecofarm said:
Enlightened individuals understand vengeance (based on emotion) has no place in a justice system. There is no point to killing a caged person.
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Yet your own emotionality here is evident. Namely, your anger. This would not seem in keeping with any pretence of 'enlightenment'. Nor is your callous disregard for those who died horrendous deaths at the hands of your beloved pets.

And the point would be justice. Call it vengeance if you will. That's fine with me. So it's vengeance. And? There's no prevailing in a moral debate, Eco. I trust you know that.
 
ecofarm said:
Justice is not served by killing helpless harmless captives. Such a sense of justice is depraved. Justice is served when society rises above and validates its existence.
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Would you kill in defense of yourself, or that of someone you love?
 
Cyrylek said:
Lock him up, so that he cannot hurt anyone else. And - do not offer him the easy way out. He did what he did - let him live with it, however cruel that may be. We are not like him. We do not kill people who are not attacking us. Let him know it.
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Do you think he gives a ****?
 
NoC_T said:
Yet your own emotionality here is evident. Namely, your anger. This would not seem in keeping with any pretence of 'enlightenment'. Nor is your callous disregard for those who died horrendous deaths at the hands of your beloved pets.

And the point would be justice. Call it vengeance if you will. That's fine with me. So it's vengeance. And? There's no prevailing in a moral debate, Eco. I trust you know that.
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There is no emotion in my position. I've no desire for vengeance, no blood lust, no feelings of inadequacy to assuage.

Killing a helpless harmless captive is pointless. Just simple logic and reason.
 
ecofarm said:
Enlightened individuals understand vengeance (based on emotion) has no place in a justice system. There is no point to killing a caged person.
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Oh wow- going to use the enlightened card here? :lamo
 
lizzie said:
Would you kill in defense of yourself, or that of someone you love?
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Killing is only justified in defense. I have no problem with using lethal force in defense (of anyone).

But if you tied someone up, threw them in a cage and disposed of the key, I would not be inclined to kill purely for emotion.
 
ecofarm said:
There is no emotion in my position. I've no desire for vengeance, no blood lust, no feelings of inadequacy to assuage.

Killing a helpless harmless captive is pointless. Just simple logic and reason.
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Oh, but there is emotion in it. It is pity for murderers. That is an emotional response. It is not logical, nor reasonable, nor the position of justice. Justice demands the balancing of a wrongful act.
 
ecofarm said:
Killing is only justified in defense. I have no problem with using lethal force in defense.
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Then your position is not logical or consistent. why is your life more important than your killer's life, only at the moment he is trying to kill you?
 
lizzie said:
Oh wow- going to use the enlightened card here? :lamo
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Those who are enlightened do not kill for emotional satisfaction.
 
lizzie said:
Then your position is not logical or consistent. why is your life more important than your killer's life, only at the moment he is trying to kill you?
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It's not a matter of judging the importance of ones life. What kind of convoluted logic lead you to such a ridiculous conclusion. Defending oneself is ethical. Killing a helpless person is not.

I don't judge the value of anyone's life. I don't know enough about anyone to do that.

That you would judge someone's life as disposable is grotesque. It's disgusting base egoism driven by ugly emotion.
 
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