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Death Penalty, for or against

Do you support the death penalty?

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Superfly said:
I am 100% against the death penalty, because, as has already been said, it's God's place to judge when we live or die. Not some fat white judge sitting on a bench, or a bunch of bored, lonely housewives sitting on a jury.
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When God didn't stop a murderer, rapist, kidnapper or child molester from not committing their act He judged that that person deserved death.

...and what is with the racism and sexism?
 
soot said:
What is "pathetically self centered" about it?

What "what justifies the existence of society itself"?
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Over this issue, eco turns into a frenzied schoolgirl running around screaming "BLOOD LUST!" like King Leonidas because a kid shoved a frog in her direction
 
Superfly said:
I am 100% against the death penalty, because, as has already been said, it's God's place to judge when we live or die. Not some fat white judge sitting on a bench, or a bunch of bored, lonely housewives sitting on a jury.
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What about a skinny black judge sitting in a chair with a bunch of busy business men sitting on the jury?
 
Geoist said:
I am happy to see nearly half of the voters so far express a strong opposition to the death penalty. There is no reason to have the death penalty except as a form of revenge... something we are taught is wrong at an early age.
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WRONG. There are other reasons to have the death penalty. Just because you can't fathom one does not mean it is about revenge.
 
Geoist said:
I wouldn't have a problem with a voluntary death penalty.
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Inconsistent. You said the DP is about revenge. How does one commit revenge upon thy self?
 
I support the death penalty for any case where the sentence exceeds 20 years. I am not in favor of these lethal injection tests they are doing. Guillotine or bullet to the head would be my preferred methods. Quick, painless, cheap and effective.
 
disneydude said:
The only person who should decide whether a person lives or dies is God. Even a convicted killer should die in God's time, not the government's.
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God is a person?
 
Bodhisattva said:
God is a person?
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In my mind...yes. Regardless....whether people believe God is a "spirit" or a "supernatural presence" or "environmental power"....the same principle holds. Even if you don't believe in God at all.....who is the government to decide when it is time for someone to die?
 
disneydude said:
The only person who should decide whether a person lives or dies is God. Even a convicted killer should die in God's time, not the government's.
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Which god? What reason do you have to believe in its existence?

If none, terrible legal standard for a secular government.

disneydude said:
In my mind...yes. Regardless....whether people believe God is a "spirit" or a "supernatural presence" or "environmental power"....the same principle holds. Even if you don't believe in God at all.....who is the government to decide when it is time for someone to die?
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Its us, society.
 
Bodhisattva said:
WRONG. There are other reasons to have the death penalty. Just because you can't fathom one does not mean it is about revenge.
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Agreed. If the data showed that the DP actually reduced murder, I would support it. But if the only reason to use the DP is to remove a threat from society, then life in jail should do the same.

And if it doesnt prevent crime, then I do see it as a) very costly and b) based on a need for vengeance.
 
disneydude said:
who is the government to decide when it is time for someone to die?
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The government represents the people's views in matters such as this...
 
Bodhisattva said:
The government represents the people's views in matters such as this...
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Well, they're supposed to. Unfortunately, that's not how things actually work today.
 
Lachean said:
Which god? What reason do you have to believe in its existence?

If none, terrible legal standard for a secular government.



Its us, society.
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Society is comprised of many different views...the problem with Capital Punishment is that the government puts the decision of whether a person lives or dies in the hands of 12 people. Kind of a ridiculous proposition in my view.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The government represents the people's views in matters such as this...
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No it doesn't....it represents the views of 12 people. This might be ok when determining guilt or innocence in a criminal trial, it is a much different proposition when the government is deciding whether to kill someone.
 
Lursa said:
Agreed. If the data showed that the DP actually reduced murder, I would support it. But if the only reason to use the DP is to remove a threat from society, then life in jail should do the same.

And if it doesnt prevent crime, then I do see it as a) very costly and b) based on a need for vengeance.
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The DP isn't designed to reduce murder... though that is a by-product.

a) costs can be reduced by using more simple methods of killing
b) although some may want the DP as vengeance that does not make the DP about vengeance. It is a consequence plain and simple.

...and life in prison does not remove the threat from society. Prison is in our society and guards and other inmates can be affected.
 
Bodhisattva said:
WRONG. There are other reasons to have the death penalty. Just because you can't fathom one does not mean it is about revenge.
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There are no legitimate reasons to have a death penalty. The only possible one is vengence....although I would argue that this is not a legitimate reason.
 
Perotista said:
I am all for the death penalty. I do not care how it is carried out, but I would prefer the Guillotine. No worries, just swish. I think we worry way too much how someone who killed another person or many people, who may have made them suffer tremendously whether the means of execution will case the perp to suffer some.

I also am not worried if the death penalty is a deterrent or not. what the death penalty does is guarantee that whoever receives it will not commit another murder or a bunch of murders.
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You must be a reincarnation of times past when it was cool to cheer, clap, bring your kids and have a picnic all the while watching people be beheaded. Are you a fan of disembowelment, too?
 
StillBallin75 said:
It's a complicated question. In THEORY, I don't have a problem with the death penalty in and of itself in that I believe that some people have committed heinous crimes worthy of such punishment. In PRACTICE, however, with the potential of botching executions, the wildly inconsistent application of the death penalty, and the potential for executing innocents, there are simply too many issues with it for the death penalty to remain a practice.
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For the botched execution they way to fix this is by executing them differently such as by beheading or hanging.
 
disneydude said:
Society is comprised of many different views...the problem with Capital Punishment is that the government puts the decision of whether a person lives or dies in the hands of 12 people. Kind of a ridiculous proposition in my view.
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Would you have court cases juried on the national level then? Everyone has to stop what they're doing to address EVERY case?
 
disneydude said:
There are no legitimate reasons to have a death penalty. The only possible one is vengence....although I would argue that this is not a legitimate reason.
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Just because you think that way doesn't make it so. :roll:
 
disneydude said:
No it doesn't....it represents the views of 12 people. This might be ok when determining guilt or innocence in a criminal trial, it is a much different proposition when the government is deciding whether to kill someone.
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Sure it does. The DP represents society as it is society that can get the DP removed if they wanted to. As long as it is there it is there by societies consent.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The DP isn't designed to reduce murder... though that is a by-product.

a) costs can be reduced by using more simple methods of killing
b) although some may want the DP as vengeance that does not make the DP about vengeance. It is a consequence plain and simple.

...and life in prison does not remove the threat from society. Prison is in our society and guards and other inmates can be affected.
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Violence towards guards and other inmates by capital defendants is almost non-existent.
 
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