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Did Sarah Palin's Comments Cross The Line?

Did She Cross The Line?


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I'm just as outraged at Obama and the left as I am at Palin and the right. I take swings at both sides. Don't take my criticism of Sarah Palin as an endorsement of Obama,because it's not. They both suck.

I must have missed your poll on Obama and drones - what were the results, if you remember?
 
She is good at saying what her audience wants to hear. That is a valuable political skill, after all. Her rhetoric was applauded by all present.

Torture is how we baptize terrorists?

I thought we didn't torture, but only engaged in "enhanced interrogation"?

I thought she said "waterboarding" is how we baptize terrorists. If you don't believe waterboarding is torture, as many don't, and if you believe legal interpretations out of the Bush administration stating just that, then there's nothing to be outraged about.
 
I thought she said "waterboarding" is how we baptize terrorists. If you don't believe waterboarding is torture, as many don't, and if you believe legal interpretations out of the Bush administration stating just that, then there's nothing to be outraged about.

That may be. I started to listen to the video of her speech, but got bored before she got to the waterboarding part.
 
The only one's outraged are the radical left who hate her for her right sided views. Where is your outrage at the current dictator that doesn't torture he just murders without a warrant or day in court remotely by drone?

I would not consider myself radical left by any means, but I am Canadian and, yes, her comments were reprehensible. Torture is reprehensible. anyone whom professes to follow a God whose son was tortured, whipped, beaten, humiliated and crucified is way the **** out of line promoting the simulated drowning of "terrorist" who have never had the benefit of counsel, have been denied the precious "rights" America is so ****ing hypocritically proud of, never been tried nor even accused in an appropriate manner.

I have in the past defended Palin, against many attackers, and decried the stupidity of the left and their MSM who have probed and dissected her every move, comment and even spent a million bucks scrounging through her email after she was out of office in the most grotesque abuse of "freedom of information"....

But this makes her no better than Harry "Jihadist" Reid or Barrack "I will close Gitmo" Obama.
 
I'm not really outraged over anything she says.

I just wish she'd die soon and stop wasting oxygen and other planetary resources that could be better spent feeding a raging forest fire.
 
Did Sarah Palin cross the proverbial line when she compared torture to being baptized?

I think she did. Of all the dumb things she's said in the past, this is at the top of that list for sure.

Thoughts?

You're talking about the water boarding thing? Hell no it didn't cross a line.

It was simple exaggeration for the benefit of making a point.
 
I am not religious, but I think sarah palin's comment offended my moral and religious beliefs.

To make a comparison between the rite of baptism and a act of torture gives me the impression that Palin does not know what baptism is.
 
I thought she said "waterboarding" is how we baptize terrorists. If you don't believe waterboarding is torture, as many don't, and if you believe legal interpretations out of the Bush administration stating just that, then there's nothing to be outraged about.



I just declared that assassinations of stupid people is legal.....

Can I kill someone now?

The interpretation that somehow inflicting serial suffering to obtain information is somehow not torture is merely reductivism.

The issue is this: The United States constitution, as everyone in the universe has had beaten into them through the incessant political machine that is US media and film, that ALL MEN are guarenteed certain "inalienable rights", not the least of which is due process under the law, true indictments, a trial of one's peers, a thorough defense within the parameters of the concept of innocent until proven guilty. All of these are claimed inventions of the United States Constitution, a way of life the US has been "protecting" through virtually uninterrupted war since 1949 and the "police action" in Korea.

But, we no longer have any due process, people are arrested based on "intel", which the world has seen to be wrong more than right, are kidnapped at gunpoint, taken to an illegal military base [which is legally US soil - babies born there are citizen's of the US] and tortured for information. One need only read about Mahar Arar and come to the conclusion that if one person can be wrongfully kidnapped, imprisoned, tortured and raped, then others can too.

The middle ages mentality and slimy bureaucratic loopholes through which they pretend justification is reason enough to be outraged...the fact that THEY say water boarding isn't torture is really pointless.

We know Ms. Palin to be a devout Christian. As one as well, my question to her is where would she find justification for this in the teachings of her savior?

And yes, I AM calling her out on legal, moral AND theological grounds.
 
When it comes to Sarah Palin, the needle on my Give-A-Crap meter doesn't even wiggle.

Being a military guy however, I thought what she said was funny.

:agree: And she does have the right to her opinion, the same as anyone else. Unless that has changed in the past twenty-hour hours? I swear I think the woman could say "I love blue jeans," and the left would say she's discriminating against men wearing a suit! :lamo: Interesting she has that effect!

Greetings, Beaudreaux. :2wave: Everyone okay at your house?
 
I just declared that assassinations of stupid people is legal.....

Can I kill someone now?

The interpretation that somehow inflicting serial suffering to obtain information is somehow not torture is merely reductivism.

The issue is this: The United States constitution, as everyone in the universe has had beaten into them through the incessant political machine that is US media and film, that ALL MEN are guarenteed certain "inalienable rights", not the least of which is due process under the law, true indictments, a trial of one's peers, a thorough defense within the parameters of the concept of innocent until proven guilty. All of these are claimed inventions of the United States Constitution, a way of life the US has been "protecting" through virtually uninterrupted war since 1949 and the "police action" in Korea.

But, we no longer have any due process, people are arrested based on "intel", which the world has seen to be wrong more than right, are kidnapped at gunpoint, taken to an illegal military base [which is legally US soil - babies born there are citizen's of the US] and tortured for information. One need only read about Mahar Arar and come to the conclusion that if one person can be wrongfully kidnapped, imprisoned, tortured and raped, then others can too.

The middle ages mentality and slimy bureaucratic loopholes through which they pretend justification is reason enough to be outraged...the fact that THEY say water boarding isn't torture is really pointless.

We know Ms. Palin to be a devout Christian. As one as well, my question to her is where would she find justification for this in the teachings of her savior?

And yes, I AM calling her out on legal, moral AND theological grounds.

Firstly - Obama beat you to it - he has already declared that assassinations of stupid people is legal, provided it is by drone and in another country. Innocent collateral damage, notwithstanding.

Secondly - the US Constitution, as I understand it, applies to US citizens and those on US soil. And the Geneva Conventions apply to prisoners of war who meet certain criteria.

Thirdly - the US Constitution requires that a President leave his/her religion behind when accepting the office and carrying out the duties entrusted to the office upon election and inauguration. As such, Palin would not be governed by Christian doctrine when carrying out her duties. She did say, if I'm not mistaken, "If I was in charge" implying, from my perspective, if she was President, she'd have no problem with reinstituting waterboarding with regard to terrorists caught planning and/or attempting to murder scores of innocent American people.

Fourthly - since you bring up the "teachings of her saviour" do you also wish to hold Obama to that same standard? Is Obama's stance on abortion and same sex marriage consistent with the teachings of his saviour? To my knowledge, no terrorist has died under waterboarding but no one can argue that a least a few human lives in early development have died at the hands of abortionists, some after leaving the womb.

Finally - one would hope that Ms. Palin's comments would be taken within the context in which they were given and not so seriously as to suggest something deeper and more sinister.
 
Did Sarah Palin cross the proverbial line when she compared torture to being baptized?

I think she did. Of all the dumb things she's said in the past, this is at the top of that list for sure.

Thoughts?




Sarah Palin is a fool. I pay less attention to what she says than I do to the long-range weather forecasts.

That being said, she has the same 1st Amendment right that every other American has, to say whatever she wants to say, and to be drug over the coals for her stupid comments.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen."
~ Tommy Smothers
 
Re: Did Sarah Palin's Cross The Line?

That's exactly the kind of morbid sense of humor we develop in the military, so I don't think so.

When was Sarah in the military?????????? Oh yeah you would support her if she called for the killing of puppies because the suck off the teat of their mother.
 
:agree: And she does have the right to her opinion, the same as anyone else. Unless that has changed in the past twenty-hour hours? I swear I think the woman could say "I love blue jeans," and the left would say she's discriminating against men wearing a suit! :lamo: Interesting she has that effect!

Greetings, Beaudreaux. :2wave: Everyone okay at your house?

She sure is a lightning rod for the left. That's funny to me. Maybe I'm just weird though since I don't see why.

All is as well as it can be right now. Thanks for asking, and greetings back to you.
 
Sarah NEEDS to make a run for President in 2016. The GOP desperately needs her.




Sarah and the GOP have about the same chance of moving into the White House in 2017 as Mickey Mouse has. = Zero.

I also hope that she runs. We all need a laugh.
 
Remember when everyone not voting for her was "skeered?"
Sarah and the GOP have about the same chance of moving into the White House in 2017 as Mickey Mouse has. = Zero.

I also hope that she runs. We all need a laugh.
 
Firstly - Obama beat you to it - he has already declared that assassinations of stupid people is legal, provided it is by drone and in another country. Innocent collateral damage, notwithstanding.

Secondly - the US Constitution, as I understand it, applies to US citizens and those on US soil. And the Geneva Conventions apply to prisoners of war who meet certain criteria.

Thirdly - the US Constitution requires that a President leave his/her religion behind when accepting the office and carrying out the duties entrusted to the office upon election and inauguration. As such, Palin would not be governed by Christian doctrine when carrying out her duties. She did say, if I'm not mistaken, "If I was in charge" implying, from my perspective, if she was President, she'd have no problem with reinstituting waterboarding with regard to terrorists caught planning and/or attempting to murder scores of innocent American people.

Fourthly - since you bring up the "teachings of her saviour" do you also wish to hold Obama to that same standard? Is Obama's stance on abortion and same sex marriage consistent with the teachings of his saviour? To my knowledge, no terrorist has died under waterboarding but no one can argue that a least a few human lives in early development have died at the hands of abortionists, some after leaving the womb.

Finally - one would hope that Ms. Palin's comments would be taken within the context in which they were given and not so seriously as to suggest something deeper and more sinister.



All of that is accurate and correct. But is it moral?

And, no, I do no hold believers to account usually, but when they combine torture and faith as she has done here, it becomes necessary. As far as I know Obama has done nothing to attract any attention for his Christian belief's, if indeed he has any.
 
Did Sarah Palin cross the proverbial line when she compared torture to being baptized?

I think she did. Of all the dumb things she's said in the past, this is at the top of that list for sure.

Thoughts?
OMG Really? That is what you are pissed about today? Probably didn't bat an eyelash when the same ilk of the terrorists killed three of our doctors last week.
 
Re: Did Sarah Palin's Cross The Line?

When was Sarah in the military?????????
? Oh yeah you would support her if she called for the killing of puppies because the suck off the teat of their mother.




She was the flamboyantly decorated Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska National Guard during her screwed-up 1/2 term as governor there.
 
Re: Did Sarah Palin's Cross The Line?

Probably damn lucky she didnt invade anyone before she quit.
She was the flamboyantly decorated Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska National Guard during her screwed-up 1/2 term as governor there.
 
Did Sarah Palin cross the proverbial line when she compared torture to being baptized?

I think she did. Of all the dumb things she's said in the past, this is at the top of that list for sure.

Thoughts?


I say no. I thought it was funny.
 
All of that is accurate and correct. But is it moral?

And, no, I do no hold believers to account usually, but when they combine torture and faith as she has done here, it becomes necessary. As far as I know Obama has done nothing to attract any attention for his Christian belief's, if indeed he has any.

That's fair - Obama hasn't attracted attention to his Christian beliefs except when combating accusations that he's a secret Muslim or when a photo-op is required outside a church on Easter or Christmas, etc.

And see, from the start, I never took Palin's comment as being related to religion. Granted her words were spoken, but in any recap I've seen the word baptism/baptized is not capitalized, as it would be if a Christian was using it in the sacramental sense, nor did she speak about Baptizing terrorists "into the church" which is what the sacrament entails. She more spoke about baptism in a more secular way, as in "introducing" terrorists into the way she, as leader of the country, would operate. As well, this was basically a keynote speaker kind of rouse the crowd oratory that she's come to be famous for and not anything in the way of a serious policy discussion that would go along with a run for office.

Anyway, we all look at these things differently and perhaps I give her a little more slack than some because I find her refreshingly blunt and entertaining in the way she approaches public and political issues/discussions. She's doesn't have the canned, politically correct answers to all controversial questions. She's pretty much reached the stage, for me, of the old grandmother who'll blurt out something outrageous and everyone has a good laugh. I remember considering Ann Richards, the former Democrat Governor of Texas in the same way after she left politics - refreshingly candid.
 
Did Sarah Palin cross the proverbial line when she compared torture to being baptized?

I think she did. Of all the dumb things she's said in the past, this is at the top of that list for sure.

Thoughts?

People still care what that halfwit has to say?
 
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