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Is being racist a right?[W:343]

Is being racist a right

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Gardener said:
Man, I hate smut!! :soap



just look what it did to my corn.

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I remember that stuff.

God it was disgusting.

Although that stuff looks a bit blackened and old.

I recall smut that was fresher, with some white parts in it.
 
maquiscat said:
I'll disagree with you here. If we are going to uphold the right to be racist then we must also uphold the freedom of association. This includes work associations. If you have the right to not serve or hire someone because of their race, then logically you have the right to not serve or hire someone because they are racist, or even fire since it would not necessarily be obvious at first.
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It took me a second to ponder your post at first glance....but yeah.
 
Yes, I guess it falls under freedom of speech and thought.
 
Absolutely....but you don't have the right to be free of the consequences of your racist beliefs.
 
disneydude said:
Absolutely....but you don't have the right to be free of the consequences of your racist beliefs.
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Only to a point. One's other rights are also still intact, such as their right to life. While I may have the right to be racist, and logically should suffer consequences if I excerise that right (such as being shunned, lose my job, etc), I should not have to worry about my property being destroyed nor my life being threatened. As long as rights are intact and upheld, then all remaining consequences are available to apply to the person being racist.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
All this media blitz on Bundy and The basketball guy has me wondering if we now have thought police in this country. I'm not racist myself but I don't see what the big deal is if you are. We have laws to protect people from racism so your opinion should be a right and you should not be punished for what you believe. IMO firing someone for being a racist is anti American and flies in the face of free speech.
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That is your opinion, which you are entitled to and I don't agree with.

Everyone in the USA is entitled to free speech but they also have to be prepared to be drug over the coals (And maybe fired, etc.) for what they say.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
Your Star said:
No it doesn't. :lol:

He's not going to jail, and he's not being fined by the government. That is what freedom of speech means; it does not mean that you can say things and not be free from the consequences of your speech. That being, other people using their power of speech to publicly disagree with you, to publicly boycott you and your business's, to publicly call for your firing, etc, etc.

This is NOTHING like a lynching. A lynching would be people rounding up and hanging him from a tree, or at the very lest murdering him. Your arguments are ridiculous and don't deal in any kind of reality.
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Boycott all you want but don't demand someone be punished for having views you disagree with. That crosses a line.
 
Zyphlin said:
Is she demanding people be punished by the government or by society?

If it's by the government, you have a point.

If it's by society in general, you're amazingly off base. "Illegal" speaks to LAW.

Someone saying a racist comment and being thrown in jail is making racist comments "Illegal"

Someone saying a racist comment and having businesses and consumers refusing to do business with him anymore is not making racist comments "Illegal". Rather, it's other people engaging in their right to speech and their right to assembly in response to the other persons enagement in their right to speech.

Condemning people who call for someone to be fired for saying a racist thing is NO DIFFERENT than calling for someone to be fired for a racist thing. In both instances, it's someone using their speech to reflect negatively upon the speech of another person.

Neither is unconsitutional, and neither are making something "illegal".

Not even in "Intents and purposes"...unless we've suddenly made public displeasure over something able to cause someone to become incarcerated and become a felon.
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Condemning someone is one thing, calling for them to be punished is quite another. One is expressing your opinion while the other is demanding there be punishment for an opinion you disagree with.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Thanks for your honesty. I wish others here would fess up like you and say what they really mean.
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fess up? What the hell are you talking about? Point out the constitutional amendment that says that private organizations can't make their own rules.
 
maquiscat said:
I'll disagree with you here. If we are going to uphold the right to be racist then we must also uphold the freedom of association. This includes work associations. If you have the right to not serve or hire someone because of their race, then logically you have the right to not serve or hire someone because they are racist, or even fire since it would not necessarily be obvious at first.
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HUH? One is thought the other is action. Apples oranges.
 
shrubnose said:
That is your opinion, which you are entitled to and I don't agree with.

Everyone in the USA is entitled to free speech but they also have to be prepared to be drug over the coals (And maybe fired, etc.) for what they say.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
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If you fear being drug over the coals for what you say then you fear to say what you think. Kinda like living in Cuba or Nazi Germany or the USSR. Is that really the America you want?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
. Kinda like living in Cuba or Nazi Germany or the USSR. Is that really the America you want?
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An America where ignorant,dishonest people indulge in absolutely ridiculous hyperbole?

I'd say we already have that.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't see the right to own a team listed in the constitution.
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Declaration of independence good enough for you? Pursuit of happiness ring a bell?

"We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independant, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ..
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Condemning someone is one thing, calling for them to be punished is quite another. One is expressing your opinion while the other is demanding there be punishment for an opinion you disagree with.
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Both instances are someone using their speech to express their negative opinion towards something.

So just because I want to clearly understand you...

Do you think people should not be allowed to suggest that someone should be fired? What about suggesting they'll refuse to use a product or service any longer?
 
Zyphlin said:
Both instances are someone using their speech to express their negative opinion towards something.

So just because I want to clearly understand you...

Do you think people should not be allowed to suggest that someone should be fired? What about suggesting they'll refuse to use a product or service any longer?
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I think my statement on this was perfectly clear and you are just pretending not to get it. Read it again.

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Condemning someone is one thing, calling for them to be punished is quite another. One is expressing your opinion while the other is demanding there be punishment for an opinion you disagree with.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Declaration of independence good enough for you? Pursuit of happiness ring a bell?

"We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independant, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ..
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yep, nothing about owning a team.
 
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