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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Grant said:
This is not uncommon among liberal Whites who feel they can speak for Blacks. This is an interesting example of Thomas Sowell responding to just such a person.


Thomas Sowell Dismantles Egalitarianism (Frances Fox Piven Edition) - YouTube
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Im well familiar with that clip, its part of Friedman's Free to Choose series. Absolutely gutting to the left, I think. Its amazing watching the left assert that they are the arbiters of race-which is frankly the mindset that caused so much of the discrimination against blacks.
 
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US Conservative said:
Im well familiar with that clip, its part of Friedman's Free to Choose series. Absolutely gutting to the left, I think. Its amazing watching the left assert that they are the arbiters of race-which is frankly the mindset that caused so much of the discrimination against blacks.
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Sowell deserves the Nobel Prize, but he's of the wrong political persuasion.
 
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Ikari said:
Oh yeah? So no one has been kicked out of an establishment then without violating law. No one has ever been refused service without violating law. Interesting. I wonder how far you take this aggression against the labor of others.

You did not explain what rights were violated, you just made a ridiculous blanket statement with no backing.
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What does any of the stuff you just wrote have to do with the right of an American to be served at public accommodations when they are protected by civil rights laws? Of course you can be refused service for something like no shoes or lack of clothes - but that is NOT what we are talking about.......... and you darn well know it.

And that is the right that is violated.
 
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Grant said:
Sowell deserves the Nobel Prize, but he's of the wrong political persuasion.
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Absolutely, one of the finest minds of the last 40 years. But he does not get in line at the liberal vote plantation and so he's vilified.
 
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Federalist said:
Nope. Love the American people, which is why I oppose crappy laws being imposed upon them. You speak of hate, but let's keep in mind that YOU are the one who wants to point a gun in your neighbors face and deny him the ability to control access to his property.

So do you own any property? Do you feel as if you ought to be the one who decides who is allowed on your property?
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Once again - you dream up rights that people do not have and then bitch and whine that they cannot do as you please.
 
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Federalist said:
Not just his labor, but his body and all his property. If "the people's government" decides it wants you or your property, you're **** out of luck. Whatever "the people's government" does is right, by definition. Scary, scary collectivist claptrap.
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Your problem is with the Constitution which allows the government to take property - not me.
 
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US Conservative said:
As usual, you lefties dont even understand the terms you are using. Racism is in peoples heads. DISCRIMINATION is the act. The left is fine with discrimination, as an example we have affirmative action=public institutions discriminating base on skin color.

Its tragic that the left has become so orwellian and hive-minded that they dont even understand the topics they wish to discuss-but MAN do they have an opinion. :doh
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Orwellian? Which side is it that believes that we're only hurting people if we give them a helping hand?

Hive-Minded? One party is completely conservative...and the other has mostly liberals but several conservatives. So...how's that "hive-minded" thing go again?
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Orwellian? Which side is it that believes that we're only hurting people if we give them a helping hand?

Hive-Minded? One party is completely conservative...and the other has mostly liberals but several conservatives. So...how's that "hive-minded" thing go again?
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Orwell wrote about leftists. You are very hive minded, and things dont mean what they say, they mean what they ought to mean. Its a fascinating pathos, really.
 
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haymarket said:
Once again - you dream up rights that people do not have and then bitch and whine that they cannot do as you please.
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So do you own any property? Do you feel as if you ought to be the one who decides who is allowed on your property?
 
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haymarket said:
Your problem is with the Constitution which allows the government to take property - not me.
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Nope. My problem is with you because you support the government controlling people's bodies and telling them whom they must allow on their own property.
 
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haymarket said:
You make no sense. In your blind desire to attack me you ramble nonsense and gibberish.

If you do not have a right to exercise then you simply do not have that right. Period. Only a deluded mind wallowing in mental illness creates a contrary reality to the real one and inhabits that fantasy world.
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In your feelings of persecution, you assume that I am attacking you. You are clutching to your assertion that a deluded mind is always a mental illness with a false premise that someone who believes they have rights and freedoms doesn't have them without the sanction of government. If you can't understand that I'm pointing out the flaws in that premise, then your aren't a good debater. That doesn't mean that someone walking around claiming they see people that clearly aren't there don't have mental illness, but clearly you are extending that beyond the bounds of logic.

I see you are debating others on more broad issues of what is a right, but in many places, having intimate relations has always been a right, whether under privacy or whatever source. There were governments saying that people didn't have those rights. You are asserting that indeed they didn't have that right until government said they had that right--whether through legislation or judicial decision. I disagree with that. The right was always there and whether the government agreed or not does not remove that right.

Try to elevate your debate beyond seeing everything as a personal attack. I don't give a crap about you one way or the other, but I evaluate everyone's points on their own merit. Perhaps it is you who should let go of your debating baggage.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Orwellian? Which side is it that believes that we're only hurting people if we give them a helping hand?

Hive-Minded? One party is completely conservative...and the other has mostly liberals but several conservatives. So...how's that "hive-minded" thing go again?
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Which two parties are you referring to? My first instinct is the two dominant political parties, but there is enough lack of context here that you could be talking about the two side on this argument.
 
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Federalist said:
So do you own any property? Do you feel as if you ought to be the one who decides who is allowed on your property?
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Yes I own property - my house and lot. There is a difference between a home and a business. When one opens a business to the public, they have to abide by the laws covering that area of life.

I do NOT believe that it is only my will giving me 100% control over property I may own. I live in a nation and have placed myself under the laws of that nation because I believe there are benefits in return for doing that. Balance..... balance .... balance .... just like in other things.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
In your feelings of persecution, you assume that I am attacking you. You are clutching to your assertion that a deluded mind is always a mental illness with a false premise that someone who believes they have rights and freedoms doesn't have them without the sanction of government. If you can't understand that I'm pointing out the flaws in that premise, then your aren't a good debater. That doesn't mean that someone walking around claiming they see people that clearly aren't there don't have mental illness, but clearly you are extending that beyond the bounds of logic.

I see you are debating others on more broad issues of what is a right, but in many places, having intimate relations has always been a right, whether under privacy or whatever source. There were governments saying that people didn't have those rights. You are asserting that indeed they didn't have that right until government said they had that right--whether through legislation or judicial decision. I disagree with that. The right was always there and whether the government agreed or not does not remove that right.

Try to elevate your debate beyond seeing everything as a personal attack. I don't give a crap about you one way or the other, but I evaluate everyone's points on their own merit. Perhaps it is you who should let go of your debating baggage.
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Again - you attack me and pretend you are doing nothing of the kind. Talk about your weak debate skills!!!!

I think what you resent and what brought about this negativity in your posts is my assertion that it is a form of mental illness or delusionary state for one to believe in something that is clearly contrary to everyday reality when all the other evidence tells you your belief is simply folly. I suspect that hits far too close to home for you so you express yourself as you have done striking out at me.

Look - you or anybody can claim to have all the rights you want and you can claim to have always had them. But reality is that if the government of the nation you have chosen to live in DOES NOT recognize those rights, you simply do not have that right. That is just reality. To then cling to the fiction that you really do have the right but its just on some sort of break or its not being exercised is just nonsense. It is the way a deluded mind structures defense mechanisms to live with beliefs that are clearly contrary to reality but with which they are unable to rid themselves of because they want to believe and their beliefs are central to them - in this case an entire political belief system.
 
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haymarket said:
Again - you attack me and pretend you are doing nothing of the kind. Talk about your weak debate skills!!!!

I think what you resent and what brought about this negativity in your posts is my assertion that it is a form of mental illness or delusionary state for one to believe in something that is clearly contrary to everyday reality when all the other evidence tells you your belief is simply folly. I suspect that hits far too close to home for you so you express yourself as you have done striking out at me.

Look - you or anybody can claim to have all the rights you want and you can claim to have always had them. But reality is that if the government of the nation you have chosen to live in DOES NOT recognize those rights, you simply do not have that right. That is just reality. To then cling to the fiction that you really do have the right but its just on some sort of break or its not being exercised is just nonsense. It is the way a deluded mind structures defense mechanisms to live with beliefs that are clearly contrary to reality but with which they are unable to rid themselves of because they want to believe and their beliefs are central to them - in this case an entire political belief system.
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"Try to elevate your debate beyond seeing everything as a personal attack." Well, I did ask, but I suppose I didn't have the right to do so. So if you think I'm attacking you but claim I'm pretending that I'm not. If I truly am not attacking you, would that make you delusional? Or do you just consider anyone who disagrees with you an attack? If that is your definition, I guess I am attacking you. Either way, my discussion with you on this thread is over.
 
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haymarket said:
Yes I own property - my house and lot. There is a difference between a home and a business. When one opens a business to the public, they have to abide by the laws covering that area of life.
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Yes, he has to abide by the laws that prevent him from controlling access to his own property.

You want the government to forcefully interfere with our right to determine who has access to our property.

I do NOT believe that it is only my will giving me 100% control over property I may own.
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Why not? It's your property isn't it?

I live in a nation and have placed myself under the laws of that nation because I believe there are benefits in return for doing that. Balance..... balance .... balance .... just like in other things.
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Collectivist claptrap.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
"Try to elevate your debate beyond seeing everything as a personal attack." Well, I did ask, but I suppose I didn't have the right to do so. So if you think I'm attacking you but claim I'm pretending that I'm not. If I truly am not attacking you, would that make you delusional? Or do you just consider anyone who disagrees with you an attack? If that is your definition, I guess I am attacking you. Either way, my discussion with you on this thread is over.
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Having been exposed - you retreat. Understandable.
 
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Federalist said:
Yes, he has to abide by the laws that prevent him from controlling access to his own property.

You want the government to forcefully interfere with our right to determine who has access to our property.



Why not? It's your property isn't it?



Collectivist claptrap.
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How do you know you own this property in the first place?
 
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haymarket said:
Having been exposed - you retreat. Understandable.
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Ignoring your childish response, the discussion is still over with you on this thread.
 
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US Conservative said:
Orwell wrote about leftists. You are very hive minded, and things dont mean what they say, they mean what they ought to mean. Its a fascinating pathos, really.
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Y'know, if one group does not allow dissenting opinions (like today's GOP) whereas the other group certainly does have dissenting opinions (like today's Democratic party), that sorta blows away the "hive-mind" claim.

Just because you think about a terrible-sounding accusation doesn't mean the people you don't like are guilty of that accusation.
 
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Federalist said:
Yes, he has to abide by the laws that prevent him from controlling access to his own property.

You want the government to forcefully interfere with our right to determine who has access to our property.



Why not? It's your property isn't it?



Collectivist claptrap.
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Um, would you please show me any nation where people have 100% control over their property?
 
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maquiscat said:
Which two parties are you referring to? My first instinct is the two dominant political parties, but there is enough lack of context here that you could be talking about the two side on this argument.
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You know very well what I'm referring to. The GOP has zero liberals in office nationwide, whereas the Democratic party certainly does have both liberals and conservatives (though we certainly have more liberals than conservatives).
 
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haymarket said:
How do you know you own this property in the first place?
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This link might be of assistance.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Ignoring your childish response, the discussion is still over with you on this thread.
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Nothing could be more childish than saying we are finished and then lying about that posting yet again to call me childish? A last worder it would seem is one of your traits.
 
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