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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Federalist said:
Much mischief seems to have ensued because people regard private property as public property. Newsflash: A private restaurant is not a public park.
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their whole argument is someone is not being treated fairly in their minds, so they want to crush right to property, because of how a person exercises that right.

yet they cannot name a right for the buyer, who is on someone's property.......why?....because no exercisable rights exist.

the point of the other side is, you are rude, and hateful...and we don't like it and are not going to tolerate it from you, even if we have to take your rights away.

this is what happens, when the evils of democracy are exercised in AMERICA, IN THE TAKING AWAY OF LIBERTY......


its no wonder I hate democracy as a form of government.

democracy is the most vile form of government--James Madison
 
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ecofarm said:
Public business, in this context, refers to privately owned businesses that are open to the public. In a private club, for example, you can exclude blacks. But if you open your business to the public, you cannot. Thems the breaks. Feel free to don the white hood privately.
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So you consider all businesses to be public businesses.
 
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Federalist said:
To you, does "public business" mean nothing more than "business"?

What would you cite as an example of a business that isn't a public business?
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A private club, with private membership, which is not open to the public. One can have all the cross burnings and hood parties one wants therein.
 
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ecofarm said:
Then don't open a public business. No one forces you to. Just stick to the private clubs that exclude blacks, then you will not have to be near them.
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you don't address what I said........equality under the law, is for government to obey...not people, because people don't make laws.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
you don't address what I said........equality under the law, is for government to obey...not people, because people don't make laws.
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There will always be equal protection in the public sphere. Too bad. I'm sorry, but you'll just have to not open a business to the public, then you will not have to be near any black people.
 
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ecofarm said:
A private club, with private membership, which is not open to the public. One can have all the cross burnings and hood parties one wants therein.
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So basically the government controls access to private property. Do you see any problems with that at all?
 
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Henrin said:
So basically the government controls access to private property. You don't see any problems with that at all?
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False. The government provides equal protection in the public sphere.
 
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ecofarm said:
There will always be equal protection in the public sphere. Too bad. I'm sorry, but you'll just have to not open a business to the public, then you will not have to be near any black people.
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black people, are you saying I am a racist?
 
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ernst barkmann said:
no I am right..

this is not the federalist papers, it is Madison...who wrote thethe bill of rights, and stuck to the principle of life liberty and property.[/B]

you and others do not have authority on my property. Period.
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You mean this bill of rights with this amendment...
on property

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

That James Madison?

Sorry. If due process is provided, your property can be denied.

You don't except that fact, but that is irrelevant.
 
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ecofarm said:
False. The government provides equal protection in the public sphere.
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No, your argument is supporting the position that the government should be in control of private property and make the rules on who should have access to it.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
black people, are you saying I am a racist?
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I'm saying that if you want to stay away from black people, you are free to do so in the private sphere. If you open a business to the public, then the government is obligated to provide equal protection to those in the public sphere.

No one forces you to place a business in the public sphere.
 
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1750Texan said:
You mean this bill of rights with this amendment...
on property

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

That James Madison?

Sorry. If due process is provided, your property can be denied.

You don't except that fact, but that is irrelevant.
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You do realize that is a limit on government, right?
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm saying that if you want to stay away from black people, you are free to do so in the private sphere. If you open a business to the public, then the government is obligated to provide equal protection to those in the public sphere.

No one forces you to place a business in the public sphere.
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No, what you're saying is the government gets to dictate to private property owners how they will use their property and under what conditions access and use of the property will be governed.

You're also saying to people under what conditions they will provide people their labor and association. You know what we call that? Slavery.
 
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1750Texan said:
You mean this bill of rights with this amendment...
on property

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

That James Madison?

Sorry. If due process is provided, your property can be denied.

You don't except that fact, but that is irrelevant.
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wrong!!!!..due process takes place when a crime has taken place!. Or a violation of health and safety regulation is violated.

a violation of someone rights...is a crime

discrimination law, ..is administrative law...not criminal law..........their is no rights violation, or health and safety concern..you are wrong again.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
no I am right..

this is not the federalist papers, it is Madison...who wrote the the bill of rights, and stuck to the principle of life liberty and property.

you and others do not have authority on my property. Period.
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And what you often forget is you don't have authority over someone else's property either. Someone who is willing to exchange his property (money) for your property (good or service) is an equal exchange of property. Merchant's shouldn't have status above his clientele. All humans are equal....that is the premise. I'm sick of this attitude that the merchant should be viewed as some kind of lord that is doing business with a serf and the serf should be so blessed to have his property accepted by the lord. If The Lord views the serf unworthy then he shouldn't be allowed in the exchange of commerce with such a lofty merchant. It's pathetic mindset really.
 
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ecofarm said:
A private club, with private membership, which is not open to the public. One can have all the cross burnings and hood parties one wants therein.
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That's not a business. That's a club.

So when you say, "if you decide to open up a public business...", you really mean, "if you decide to open a business..."
 
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Federalist said:
That's not a business. That's a club.

So when you say, "if you decide to open up a public business...", you really mean, "if you decide to open a business..."
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Never heard of Sam's Club? You can do that, and not provide memberships to blacks. Then you will not have to live in constant fear of a black people.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
And what you often forget is you don't have authority over someone else's property either. Someone who is willing to exchange his property (money) for your property (good or service) is an equal exchange of property. Merchant's shouldn't have status above his clientele. All humans are equal....that is the premise. I'm sick of this attitude that the merchant should be viewed as some kind of lord that is doing business with a serf and the serf should be so blessed to have his property accepted by the lord. If The Lord views the serf unworthy then he shouldn't be allowed in the exchange of commerce with such a lofty merchant. It's pathetic mindset really.
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how do I have authority over your property ..if I am in my own store, and you enter it wanting something from me?

people are equal under the law...........they are NOT EQUAL BY LAW.

government in creating laws, are to see everyone adheres to the same law, with no expectations....that is equality under the law..........what the founders speak of.

equality by law, is social justice, the act of democracy of using government to make everyone equal across the spectrum...which is such a vile concept!
 
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ernst barkmann said:
people are equal under the law...
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And the law states that blacks get equal protection in the public sphere, including businesses that choose to be open to the public.

Why do you deny them liberty, support fraud and promote aggression?
 
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Henrin said:
Nope.

I'm...

White
Male
Straight
Not old.
Not disabled.
Not married.
Not religious
Never was in the military

I'm histories worst enemy - a white straight man!
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thank you fro proving you are severely uneducated about this topic, you listed multiple things that are FACTUALLY protected lol
 
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ecofarm said:
And the law states that blacks get equal protection in the public sphere, including businesses that choose to be open to the public.

Why do you deny them liberty, support fraud and promote aggression?
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wrong.....equality under the law applies to governments only...because they make the laws...............the people do not make laws, to apply unequally.......so why are you stating the law applies to the people?
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wrong.....equality under the law applies to governments only...because they make the laws...............the people do not make laws, to apply unequally.......so why are you stating the law applies to the people?
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Equality under the applies to the public sphere, into which one chooses to place private property in the opening of a business to the public. The government cannot enforce equal rights until and unless you choose to take advantage of access to the public sphere.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either your business is closed to the public or open. You decide, and deal with the accompanying responsibilities.

Your position is anti-responsibility, anti-liberty, anti-free market, pro-fraud and pro-aggression. In other word: racist.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
how do I have authority over your property ..if I am in my own store, and you enter it wanting something from me?

people are equal under the law...........they are NOT EQUAL BY LAW.

government in creating laws, are to see everyone adheres to the same law, with no expectations....that is equality under the law..........what the founders speak of.

equality by law, is social justice, the act of democracy of using government to make everyone equal across the spectrum...which is such a vile concept!
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They want it from you because you are selling it. The vile concept are attitudes that merchants should have a right to discriminate.
 
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ecofarm said:
Equality under the applies to the public sphere, into which one chooses to place private property in the opening of a business to the public. The government cannot enforce equal rights until and unless you choose to take advantage of access to the public sphere.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Either your business is closed to the public or open. You decide, and deal with the accompanying responsibilities.

Your position is anti-responsibility, anti-liberty, pro-fraud and pro-aggression.
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why are you applying constitutional law to the people?

the constitution does not apply to the people it only applies to governments

you are stating that a restriction placed on the federal government by the constitution ....also lays a restriction on the people and that is false.


The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on
Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its [FEDERAL[ powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
 
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