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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?


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sorry no.... everything about you is property.

James Madison, Property
29 Mar. 1792Papers 14:266--68
This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

In the former sense, a man's land or merchandize, or money is called his property.

In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.


a bigot is a bigot, it does not matter whether you like or hate the bigot, a bigot has...... right to property.

The federalist papers hold no legal weight. The 5th amendment does... so does every court ruling upholding the 5th and the commerce clause.

Ferderalist papers vs. US Constitution ...sorry you lose.
 
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All citizens should have freedom of movement on publicly owned property. However, the owner of private property should have the right to determine who has access to his privately owned property.

Unless, of course, a property owner volunteers to open a public business.
 
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well maybe because people do not understand liberty,

I understand liberty just fine. I want it to apply to black people in the public sphere, you don't.

Hey, why don't we refuse to allow blacks electricity. After all, why should the government force anyone to provide power to blacks!

Yeah, that's not racist.
 
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Unless, of course, a property owner volunteers to open a public business.

Public businesses are run by the government. Private business are run by private individuals.
 
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The federalist papers hold no legal weight. The 5th amendment does... so does every court ruling upholding the 5th and the commerce clause.

Ferderalist papers vs. US Constitution ...sorry you lose.

no I am right..

this is not the federalist papers, it is Madison...who wrote the the bill of rights, and stuck to the principle of life liberty and property.

you and others do not have authority on my property. Period.
 
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Public businesses are run by the government. Private business are run by private individuals.

False.
 
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Try saying true next time. It would be right instead of wrong. :D
 
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no I am right..

this is not the federalist papers, it is Madison...who wrote the the bill of rights, and stuck to the principle of life liberty and property.


I am so sick of some people thinking they can get all of their understanding from men who lived centuries ago. It's pathetic.


you and others do not have authority on my property. Period.

False. We have every right to regulate externalities, legislate against fraud and ensure equal rights in the public sphere (which you choose to place your business into).
 
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I understand liberty just fine. I want it to apply to black people in the public sphere, you don't.

Hey, why don't we refuse to allow blacks electricity. After all, why should the government force anyone to provide power to blacks!

Yeah, that's not racist.

wrong, I want to see liberty preserved..

you wish to use race, as tool to violate rights of property owners, because you don't like to see people offended.

law cant be governed by feelings...because we would have no rights left.
 
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I am so sick of some people thinking they can get all of their understanding from men who lived centuries ago. It's pathetic.

I'm sick of people thinking they have a right to slaves. :shrug:
 
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A public school is a public business run by the government.

A public library is a public business run by the government.

A private restaurant is a private business run by individual(s).

Privately owned property is not public. It's private.
 
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I am so sick of some people thinking they can get all of their understanding from men who lived centuries ago. It's pathetic.
you are only sick ,because it counters your argument, and you cant fight the against the guy, who wrote the bill of rights....by arguing rights.
 
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A public school is a public business run by the government.

A public library is a public business run by the government.

A private restaurant is a private business run by individual(s).

Privately owned property is not public. It's private.

hahaha

You don't understand the concept of opening a business to the public.
 
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I usually aint into all this feel goody **** but I think there might be something wrong with a society that even needs protected classes. I hope everyone is in at least one.

I agree it would be AWESOME if we didnt need rights but unfortunately thats not the case. Its a shame that there has to be a laws like that.

and yes every single person find themselves protected by rights and that was my point. Not saying you but some of the very dishonest or uneducated think it only applies to small groups and they are factually wrong.
 
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I'm sick of people thinking they have a right to slaves. :shrug:

No one is forcing you to open a public business.

wrong, I want to see liberty preserved..

Just not for blacks, obviously. You would like to limit their freedom of movement, business association and opportunity in the public sphere. Because you want to wage economic war against a group in attempt to create a second class citizenry. Well, too bad... one cannot wage race war in the public sphere. Keep it to your private clubs. We will not have that senseless aggression poisoning our free market.
 
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Privately owned property is not public. It's private.

maybe we should tell the government to pay their property taxes, for them..SINCE PEOPLE THINK ITS PUBLIC
 
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I usually aint into all this feel goody **** but I think there might be something wrong with a society that even needs protected classes. I hope everyone is in at least one.

Nope.

I'm...

White
Male
Straight
Not old.
Not disabled.
Not married.
Not religious
Never was in the military

I'm histories worst enemy - a white straight man!
 
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hahaha

You don't understand the concept of opening a business to the public.

A private business can do business with the government (i.e. the public) or it can do business with private individuals. In either case, the private business is still a private business, not a public business.
 
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I am so sick of some people thinking they can get all of their understanding from men who lived centuries ago. It's pathetic.




False. We have every right to regulate externalities, legislate against fraud and ensure equal rights in the public sphere (which you choose to place your business into).


false. I said....you!.....government can regulate me for health and safety issues......it cannot regulate me for being rude, and I don't create laws, ..so I don't have to treat you equal.

equality under the law is for government...not people.
 
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hahaha

You don't understand the concept of opening a business to the public.

Private property is private. It would seem you don't understand private property.
 
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maybe we should tell the government to pay their property taxes, for them..SINCE PEOPLE THINK ITS PUBLIC

Much mischief seems to have ensued because people regard private property as public property. Newsflash: A private restaurant is not a public park.
 
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Nope.

I'm...

White
Male
Straight
Not old.
Not disabled.
Not married.
Not religious
Never was in the military

I'm histories worst enemy - a white straight man!

Some people's claims to fame and self worth are kinda pathetic.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

equality under the law is for government...not people.

Then don't open a public business. No one forces you to. Just stick to the private clubs that exclude blacks, then you will not have to be near them.
 
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Then don't open a public business. No one forces you to. Just stick to the private clubs that exclude blacks, then you will not have to be near them.

To you, does "public business" mean nothing more than "business"?

What would you cite as an example of a business that isn't a public business?
 
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A private business can do business with the government (i.e. the public) or it can do business with private individuals. In either case, the private business is still a private business, not a public business.

Public business, in this context, refers to privately owned businesses that are open to the public. In a private club, for example, you can exclude blacks. But if you open your business to the public, you cannot. Thems the breaks. Feel free to don the white hood privately.
 
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