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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Henrin said:
No, it is upholding the freedom of choice as it is upholding both parties right to choose to take part in a transaction of property and service or not.
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That's fine in the private sphere. In the public sphere, people have a right to freedom of movement and equal opportunity.

Why do you hate the free market? Why do you endorse fraud and aggression?
 
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ecofarm said:
You are restricting their freedom of movement and opportunity within the public sphere. This is an infringement upon their rights, an attack on the free market, fraud and blatant aggression against a group.
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could you please name the Right, which is recognized by the constitution.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
could you please name the Right, which is recognized by the constitution.
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You do understand that the Constitution is not a finalized list of rights, don't you? It's an enumeration of some rights.

You're acting like the Constitution grants rights. It does not.

Stop turning the Constitution on its head to support fraud and aggression.
 
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ecofarm said:
that's fine in the private sphere. In the public sphere, people have a right to freedom of movement and equal opportunity.
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this incorrect, you dont have freedom of movement on my property, to do as you will, and as for equal oppertunity, ..that is government which is to see you have equality under the law....meaning they must treat everyone equal becuase they create the law.

People do not create law, for law to be applied in an unequal fashion.

Equality under the law is witten for governments.... Not the people.
 
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ecofarm said:
That's fine in the private sphere. In the public sphere, people have a right to freedom of movement and equal opportunity.

Why do you hate the free market? Why do you endorse fraud and aggression?
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Dude, you are arguing against the free market. If people have a right to free movement, then you can't forbid them from moving in a direction simply because you find it distasteful.

Are you going to come mow my lawn now? If you don't, after all, you're infringing on my rights.
 
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ecofarm said:
You do understand that the Constitution is not a finalized list of rights, don't you? It's an enumeration of some rights.

You're acting like the Constitution grants rights. It does not.

Stop turning the Constitution on its head to support fraud and aggression.
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There is neither fraud nor aggression in individual non-participation.
 
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ecofarm said:
you do understand that the constitution is not a finalized list of rights, don't you? It's an enumeration of some rights.

You're acting like the constitution grants rights. It does not.

Stop turning the constitution on its head to support fraud and aggression.
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yes i do, and every right which is not enumerated falls under the 9th, now do you wish to tell me what right the court [ussc] has reconized, which states you have a right to be served by me.
 
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cpwill said:
Dude, you are arguing against the free market. If people have a right to free movement, then you can't forbid them from moving in a direction simply because you find it distasteful.

Are you going to come mow my lawn now? If you don't, after all, you're infringing on my rights.
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Your lawn is not public business.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
yes i do, and every right which is not enumerated falls under the 9th, now do you wish to tell me what right the court [ussc] has reconizxed, which states you have a right to be served by me.
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You are doing exactly what the founders feared would happen if rights were enumerated - people presuming that only those rights exist.

You are turning the Constitution on its head in order to support fraud and aggression.
 
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cpwill said:
There is neither fraud nor aggression in individual non-participation.
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Sure there is.

It's fraud because "black free shopping" provides no real benefit. You're promoting snake oil salesmen.

It's aggression because you are limiting others' freedom of movement, business association and opportunity within the public sphere. You are attempting to create a second class citizenry. That is an act of economic war against a group and clearly aggression.
 
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ecofarm said:
That's fine in the private sphere. In the public sphere, people have a right to freedom of movement and equal opportunity.
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In both areas people only have the right to commence in commerce with those that consent to do so with them.

Why do you hate the free market? Why do you endorse fraud and aggression?
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What are you talking about? My argument is based on voluntary exchange which very much is in support of the free market. Your argument however is based on involuntary exchange and forced labor imposed on the people by the government. If you think a market controlled by the government is a free market then please take the time to look up the term.
 
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ecofarm said:
You are doing exactly what the founders feared would happen if rights were enumerated - people presuming that only those rights exist.

You are turning the Constitution on its head in order to support fraud and aggression.
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wrong, only some rights in the bill of rights are enumerated[recognized by the constitution], all other rights. which have come into question before the court, have been recognized by the court, and placed under the 9th.

a right to vote is not enumerated, but it was recognized by the court, and falls under the 9th.....

rights are either recognized by the constitution OR recognized by the USSC.........rights are not created by congress.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
yes i do, and every right which is not enumerated falls under the 9th, now do you wish to tell me what right the court [ussc] has reconized, which states you have a right to be served by me.
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No one is claiming anyone has a right to be served by you. We're claiming that freedom of movement, business association and opportunity within the public sphere are rights.

Your "show me it in the Constitution" is a BS argument and you know it. You KNOW the Constitution is not a list of all existing rights. You KNOW the founders feared that dumb people would do exactly as you are doing and treat it as such. And you are doing so for an act of aggression.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
as it has been stated by me to you before, everything about a person is property.

OR...are you forgetting the women state they have a right to their bodies, when it comes to abortion.

you have a funny sense of liberty, believing it should be crushed when it offends you.....I don't think you ever consider how your words, and thoughts of government offend other people....maybe we should crush your right to speech, because people "just don't like what you say"
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Oh the irony of the red bolded, only adds to the irony of the blue bolded.

Ernst, regarding the red bolded, EXACTLY correct. A purchaser's liberty should not be crushed because the seller is offended.

And ernst, regarding the blue, based on what is your statement of something equivalent to it being a fact,... since everything about a person is not property, but yes a woman's body is her property as is anyone's physical body, which can be but is not usually considered akin to a product or service as being discussed here. And when a person is using their body as a product or service independent of outside pressures (ie pimps or brothels), they can refuse service to whomever they choose.
 
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ecofarm said:
Your lawn is not public business.
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Neither is the majority of the things anti-discrimination laws apply to.
 
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Henrin said:
Your argument however is based on involuntary exchange and forced labor imposed on the people by the government.
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Not at all. No one is forcing anyone to open a public business. If someone does open a public business, then it must actually be open to the public.
 
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Summerwind said:
Oh the irony of the red bolded, only adds to the irony of the blue bolded.

Ernst, regarding the red bolded, EXACTLY correct. A purchaser's liberty should not be crushed because the seller is offended.

And ernst, regarding the blue, based on what is your statement of something equivalent to it being a fact,... since everything about a person is not property, but yes a woman's body is her property as is anyone's physical body, which can be but is not usually considered akin to a product or service as being discussed here. And when a person is using their body as a product or service independent of outside pressures (ie pimps or brothels), they can refuse service to whomever they choose.
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property is property....It belongs to the owner.

one person or government has the right or authority to usurp the rights of the property owner......UNLESS, the property owner in involved in a rights violation, or a health and safety issue.

I do not surrender property rights when I enter the business world.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
wrong, only some rights in the bill of rights are enumerated[recognized by the constitution], all other rights. which have come into question before the court, have been recognized by the court, and placed under the 9th.

a right to vote is not enumerated, but it was recognized by the court, and falls under the 9th.....

rights are either recognized by the constitution OR recognized by the USSC.........rights are not created by congress.
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Rights are not created by the Constitution or the USSC.
 
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Henrin said:
Neither is the majority of the things anti-discrimination laws apply to.
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We're discussing public business. Do try to keep the topic in mind.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
property is property....It belongs to the owner.

one person or government has the right or authority to usurp the rights of the property owner......UNLESS, the property owner in involved in a rights violation, or a health and safety issue.

I do not surrender property rights when I enter the business world.
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And not selling to someone who is neither harming you or your business is..... I bet you've figured it out.
 
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ecofarm said:
Rights are not created by the Constitution or the USSC.
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you did not read correctly.

I stated the constitution recognizes rights, and the USSC recognizes rights.

the constitution does not grant any rights to people, it recognizes them, and places a restriction on the federal government, that they "shall make no law", infringing on those rights.

congress cannot create rights.
 
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Summerwind said:
And not selling to someone who is neither harming you or your business is..... I bet you've figured it out.
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I have asked this many times and still I get no answer.


what right of the buyer is being violated by the seller..........which is recognized by the USSC?

a buyer has NO exercisable rights on another persons property.
 
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ecofarm said:
We're discussing public business. Do try to keep the topic in mind.
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Actually, the topic is about anti-discrimination laws and the argument that freedom from discrimination is a desirable thing.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
you did not read correctly.

I stated the constitution recognizes rights, and the USSC recognizes rights.
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That does not necessarily create an all-inclusive list of rights. I'm sure you can understand this.
 
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Henrin said:
Actually, the topic is about anti-discrimination laws and the argument that freedom from discrimination is a desirable thing.
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In the public sphere.

Now you're just dropping context in a desperate attempt to cover the foolishness of your claims.
 
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