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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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molten_dragon said:
Freedom from discrimination is more important. There is no right to discriminate.
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No right to pick sex partners then? Strange.
 
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Henrin said:
A law requiring anyone be served is nonsense as well.
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You're welcome to private instead of public business.
 
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It doesn't matter. Within a generation we'll be too worried about having something to eat today to worry about discrimination.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
I never said that should be the law, did I? The law SHOULD read that people can't be denied on basis of race/ethnicity/religion/sexual gender.
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The law does exist for the first 3 mentioned.
 
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ecofarm said:
You're welcome to private instead of public business.
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Yeah, I'm not really into being required to accept people under the terms of the government. Thanks for allowing any choice at all though.
 
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Henrin said:
Yeah, I'm not really into being required to accept people under the terms of the government. Thanks for allowing any choice at all though.
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You're welcome.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
That's the rub. If it happens many times, then it becomes easier to prove from witness accounts. Or it could come from internal whistleblowers. But the law cannot be designed to bypass due process.
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That wouldn't be proof.
 
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Henrin said:
Does that mean you can't name me a right that isn't dependent on the right to discrimination?
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I'm not going to get into that game with you, because I can read you easily enough to know that you're simply going to twist words and concepts. You're not really interested in right and the wrong in the altruistic sense - you're only interested in winning the argument.
 
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DVSentinel said:
How do you know it was because they were black?

Even if you are correct however, you are forcing someone to act against their own beliefs. No One has to right to tell others what to believe or to limit their actions based upon their beliefs.

What we really want is for the people to act as individuals, cause the business to go under without the need to involve the government.
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The problem with that concept is, it doesn't work. It simply. does. not. work.

Why? Business A says "no blacks"...so no blacks (and a significant amount of whites) don't go in there...but enough whites who are either racist or somehow want to defend their brand of libertarianism go in there to keep it afloat. This WOULD happen in the Deep South, because there's more than enough white racists (like those in my own family) who would keep that business afloat.

So racist Business A stays afloat. The blacks get ticked off and open racist Business B that says "no whites". All of a sudden more whites go to whites-only...and more blacks go to blacks-only...and it spirals downhill from there. And we're back to a capitalistic form of Jim Crow.

Not only that, but black person C decides he's going to refuse to leave racist Business A...and so racist Business A calls the cops who wind up forcibly removing black person C...and all of a sudden we have not only government-ENFORCED racism, but race riots just like those we had in the 1960's...except for now the blacks have a LOT more guns than they did then.

Is that really, truly where you want to go? You can dream all day about how you think it OUGHTA be...but there's a big difference between the way things oughta be...and the way things would be.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
That ignores some important variables. My business is doing home repairs/improvements and thus I work (often alone) at the customer's location. I deserve to have the right to refuse to work in unsafe areas regardless of any accusations of racism - if my tools are stolen then my income earning potential disappears.
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So long as you don't refuse to work for a colored (any color other than white Caucasian) person in an area where you would work for a white, and visa versa, ... refuse to work for a white in the same area you feel is unsafe and predominantly colored.... so long as that is true, you're not discriminating based on race. The same would hold true for any protected class of people.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
I never said that should be the law, did I? The law SHOULD read that people can't be denied on basis of race/ethnicity/religion/sexual gender.
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But it's okay to refuse service to anyone else? If you hate blondes, you're free to deny service to blondes?
 
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tres borrachos said:
But it's okay to refuse service to anyone else? If you hate blondes, you're free to deny service to blondes?
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The law exist because those groups of people have a history of discrimination.
 
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tres borrachos said:
But it's okay to refuse service to anyone else? If you hate blondes, you're free to deny service to blondes?
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Yes, that's true, blonds are not a protected class.
 
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Henrin said:
Without the right to discriminate you can't very well have human rights, so obviously the correct choice here is the right to discriminate.
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Since when did any concept of human rights hinge on the ability to be a bigot?
 
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haymarket said:
Since when did any concept of human rights hinge on the ability to be a bigot?
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Since body sovereignty is the origin of all human rights.
 
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Henrin said:
Since body sovereignty is the origin of all human rights.
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Look - I have a degree in Political Science..... what the heck is body sovereignty and what does it have to do with bigotry being a key part of human rights?
 
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tres borrachos said:
But it's okay to refuse service to anyone else? If you hate blondes, you're free to deny service to blondes?
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Nice try. The law doesn't have to specifically name every instance when the spirit and obvious intent of the law would show that one can't discriminate for a person's hair color.

Look, you'll always be able to come up with those "what about this or that" situation...but you can't use that in order to invalidate the whole thing. While those situations will very rarely happen, the vast majority of the time the law will work for the vast majority of the people. That's what's important.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
The law does exist for the first 3 mentioned.
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And why not for the last one?

And the problem is, there's a lot of people in America today - and on this forum - who want to get rid of that law for the first three.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Which is more important: the "right" to discriminate, or freedom from discrimination?

Remember, you can't have both. If a business refuses to serve someone because he's black, and he refuses to leave and the business calls the cops to enforce their "right"...it is at that moment that we have government-enforced racism.

Is that really what we want?
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I question that there is a RIGHT to discriminate for the sake of discrimination.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
...because they don't have a history of discrimination.
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And you know this how? That's a pretty broad statement to make. Are you telling me that blonde women have always been treated equally in this country?
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
And why not for the last one?

And the problem is, there's a lot of people in America today - and on this forum - who want to get rid of that law for the first three.
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My guess is there will be one for the last group.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Nice try. The law doesn't have to specifically name every instance when the spirit and obvious intent of the law would show that one can't discriminate for a person's hair color.

Look, you'll always be able to come up with those "what about this or that" situation...but you can't use that in order to invalidate the whole thing. While those situations will very rarely happen, the vast majority of the time the law will work for the vast majority of the people. That's what's important.
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I thought we were all equal? Now I'm being told it would be okay to refuse service to someone strictly because she is blonde (like myself, for instance). What law protects me? And please don't pretend people don't dislike people from all walks of life. I know people here in New England who detest white men from Alabama, call them stupid, rednecks and losers. Is that okay?
 
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