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Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discrimination?

What's More Important - the "Right" to Discriminate, or Freedom From Discrimination?

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Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

rabbitcaebannog said:
No, they are not. Talk about a frickin non sequitur.
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They aren't what? Free to sell their property? Not with people assuming ownership of their property, that is true.

Done with the asides then?
 
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Ikari said:
I don't believe in magic. I believe in freedom, responsibility, and consequences
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Libertarians love simple nonsense slogans, don't they?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
People are not free to do whatever the hell they please. That to me sounds more like the "me" first generation:doh
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Do you feel as if you have the right to initiate aggression against someone in order to force him to do business with someone against his will?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
That's not a free society but an oppressed one if you happen to be on the receiving end of hate.
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Definitely an oppressed one when people roll out the guns of government for the slightest of inconveniences.
 
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Ikari said:
I don't believe in magic. I believe in freedom, responsibility, and consequences
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My sincerest apologies. I was rude to you in another thread and I am sorry. You're extremely pragmatic.
 
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Ikari said:
They aren't what? Free to sell their property? Not with people assuming ownership of their property, that is true.

Done with the asides then?
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They are not free to with hold their property due to discrimination.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
And someone could die if that doctor decides he doesn't want to help you.
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Yeah, so? All that means is that the doctor didn't do anything to better the condition of the individual needing help.
 
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Ikari said:
Definitely an oppressed one when people roll out the guns of government for the slightest of inconveniences.
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Guns of government:roll:
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Fiddytree said:
Libertarians love simple nonsense slogans, don't they?
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Oh, were you still trying to make an argument? With the banal platitudes you were throwing out, I thought you were done.

Still, freedom does have repercussions and consequences that we must abide by and shoulder in order to keep.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

rabbitcaebannog said:
I'm sure all are protected.
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So if everyone is protected, then the comment made to me that there is no law that protects everyone was not true.

In other words, the government can force the hand of any business owner to engage in commerce with someone else, whether he chooses to or not. Exactly what I said earlier but was told was incorrect.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Guns of government:roll:
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What do you think all government force is ultimately backed by?

Again, you should really understand the philosophy you exalt.
 
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Henrin said:
Yeah, so? All that means is that the doctor didn't do anything to better the condition of the individual needing help.
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Yeah sure.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

rabbitcaebannog said:
They are not free to with hold their property due to discrimination.
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Because you have assumed ownership of their property and labor and use the force of government to get your way.

The natural limits to rights, are of course, something of an entirely different ballgame.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Yeah sure.
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Then we are in agreement that the failure to provide someone a service does not worsen someones condition, but simply does not act to better it.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

tres borrachos said:
So if everyone is protected, then the comment made to me that there is no law that protects everyone was not true.

In other words, the government can force the hand of any business owner to engage in commerce with someone else, whether he chooses to or not. Exactly what I said earlier but was told was incorrect.
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I've no idea which poster you are talking about but certain groups of people are protected.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Ikari said:
What do you think all government force is ultimately backed by?

Again, you should really understand the philosophy you exalt.
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Oh, please that is ridiculous. That law is in effect and to suggest guns of government is pressing down on people is over the top.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

rabbitcaebannog said:
That's not a free society but an oppressed one if you happen to be on the receiving end of hate.
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Its as free as it gets. By the way I don't serve gangbangers because I hate them. I am just not interested in associating with them. People just don't serve people out of hate it can be many reasons, most of them boiling down to they just don't wish to associate with whomever for whatever reasons.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

rabbitcaebannog said:
I've no idea which poster you are talking about but certain groups of people are protected.
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The ones who told me that there is no law in place that requires a business owner to serve everyone. That is assuming what you are saying is correct. Someone is wrong.

If "national descent" is considered protected, that would mean every white person in the USA is in the protected class, because every white person comes from another nation by descent.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So if everyone is protected, then the comment made to me that there is no law that protects everyone was not true.
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Any law that doesn't protect everyone or encourages selective enforcement likely shouldn't be a law in the first place.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

rabbitcaebannog said:
Oh, please that is ridiculous. That law is in effect and to suggest guns of government is pressing down on people is over the top.
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It is not, it's Fiddy's beloved boot coming into play. All government force is ultimately backed by the gun. It is just a mere statement of fact.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Ikari said:
I don't believe in magic. I believe in freedom, responsibility, and consequences
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No you appear to believe in individual freedom, voluntary responsibility, and self-inflicted consequences.

IE: fairy tales
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Ikari said:
Any law that doesn't protect everyone or encourages selective enforcement likely shouldn't be a law in the first place.
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Agreed.
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Summerwind said:
No you appear to believe in individual freedom, voluntary responsibility, and self-inflicted consequences.

IE: fairy tales
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Individual freedom is key, the rights and liberties of the individual do reign supreme. We're all responsible in a free society to uphold the responsibilities and repercussions of freedom else you lose it. Consequences aren't necessarily self-inflicted either.

Any other trite, dismissive statement that doesn't actually deal with anything I have said left? Or are you done?
 
Re: Which Is More Important? The Right to Discriminate, or Freedom from Discriminati

Ikari said:
Because you have assumed ownership of their property and labor and use the force of government to get your way.

The natural limits to rights, are of course, something of an entirely different ballgame.
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You don't assume ownership of anything. You still have to pay for whatever good or service you buy. The government 'forces' people to act humanly for a reason. People don't have a right to treat another person like sh*t because they have a right to be sh*tty because they own a business.
 
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