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Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

Do The Rich Pay Too Much Income Taxes


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this country's history has had more years without a graduated income tax so the precedent is a fail
That's misleading, you must count only the years we've had an income tax, not the years we depended upon tariffs.
 
its unfair that I pay far more for the same benefit that a poor person gets

your concept of fairness is one of many. but mine is more objective

if you receive the same value as I do, you should pay the same amount for it

same with cars, pantyhose, cheeseburgers and movie tickets

Let me get this straight. Are you advocating a flat tax? or a Poll tax?

For example: A person making $10,000 will pay $1,000 with a flat tax of 10%. A person making $1,000,000 will pay $100,000 with a flat tax of 10%. With a poll tax both persons would pay
$50,500 each.

The second one is the most fair but you can easily see that it wouldn't work.

Sometimes you have to do what works more than what's fair. Wouldn't you agree? of do you think it should always be fair? The hell with what is practical.
 
When low income people have a significant expense such as taxes it can interfere with their ability to purchase basic necessities, like medical care, food, clothing etc, When high income people have a significant expense such as taxes it will not interfere with their ability to purchase basic necessities, it only interferes with their ability to purchase a yacht or a summer home. Higher taxes have much less impact on the quality of life and health of the rich. That is why progressive taxes are fair and appropriate.

So, it's my responsibility to subsidize all low income people? Where is that in the Constitution? In fact, in the Declaration of Independence, the wording is "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The key word is Pursuit, not Guarantee, of Happiness.

What is definitive are the terms LIFE and LIBERTY. Nothing ambiguous or couched in those.

Life is the the free exercise of our own mind, body and talents to the end of which they can take us.

Liberty is the guarantee that what our Life produces IS OURS, no one else'.

Pursuit of Happiness is the guarantee that we will not be hindered in our Life, or our Liberty, by a government or any other outside force.

Progressive taxes are a heartwarming idea, that steal our the product of the lives of those that are successful, and are imposed in a form that steals our Liberty (Tyranny), and done so in a naive attempt to Guarantee Happiness for others at the expense of the few.

As long as over 51% or more of the population can vote people into office under the auspices that they will receive the Life and Liberty of others in the form of tax subsidies taken from others at the point of a gun or under threat of imprisonment, then the LIBERTY of this country and that of its citizens... doesn't exist.

Now, we can talk about our social safety net, which I support. And we can talk about our other programs that help the poor, which I support. But if we do, we will also need to talk about how to reform those programs so that they survive and are less wasteful.

And, we need to talk about EIT, AMT, and making everyone pay into the system; even just a little bit. That way everyone has ownership and a willingness to make the system survive. Similar to the difference between the way person takes care of a house they own, versus the way most people that rent do not care because someone else will have to pay to repair and maintain it.
 
Let me get this straight. Are you advocating a flat tax? or a Poll tax?

For example: A person making $10,000 will pay $1,000 with a flat tax of 10%. A person making $1,000,000 will pay $100,000 with a flat tax of 10%. With a poll tax both persons would pay
$50,500 each.

The second one is the most fair but you can easily see that it wouldn't work.

No income tax whatsoever. user taxes and consumption taxes. but a flat fee is the only Fair tax. everyone should theoretically pay the same cost of citizenship, Of course many cannot so a consumption tax is the answer

ANYTHING that allows the many to raise the taxes on the few without facing tax increases themselves has to be eliminated
 
That's misleading, you must count only the years we've had an income tax, not the years we depended upon tariffs.

that's really stupid and rejected as being stupid
 
they don't tend to be as quick to demand more and more government

Where is this fairy tale land where poor people sit around and demand more government? Are you and Rush Limbaugh the only ones who visit this fairy tale land? What government services are these poor people demanding? Are they demanding a bigger library? Are they demanding a larger police force? Are they demanding larger AFDC payments? Are they demanding more food stamps? or


Are you making this up just like Rush Limbaugh does?
 


Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: Yes.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?

Xerxes: The aqueduct.

Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

Masked Activist: And the sanitation!

............[later after several other benefits mentioned]

Stan: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

Francis: Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this. (more general murmurs of agreement)

Reg: All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?



Monty Python What Have the Romans Ever Done For Us (from Monty Python's Life of Brian)


Cute.

Now, WTF does that have to do with what I said? That's right... Nothing.
 
this country's history has had more years without a graduated income tax so the precedent is a fail

I know. It isn't working is it? Our nation has collapsed and people are starving in the street. :roll:

I understand escaping reality to visit a better world, but why do you escape reality to live in a worse world? That defeats the point of fantasy. Doesn't it?
 
Where is this fairy tale land where poor people sit around and demand more government? Are you and Rush Limbaugh the only ones who visit this fairy tale land? What government services are these poor people demanding? Are they demanding a bigger library? Are they demanding a larger police force? Are they demanding larger AFDC payments? Are they demanding more food stamps? or


Are you making this up just like Rush Limbaugh does?

oh lots of middle class don't understand the cost of government

I just wrote a 200K check to the IRS-I certainly know the cost of government and I know I don't get nearly in return for what I pay for because so many people get far more benefits than they pay in taxes.

what party does the lower middle class and poor vote for normally"

when Obama says "the rich need to pay their fair share" (if that were true we'd be paying 1% of the taxes not 40%) who is he pandering to?
 
I know. It isn't working is it? Our nation has collapsed and people are starving in the street. :roll:

I understand escaping reality to visit a better world, but why do you escape reality to live in a worse world? That defeats the point of fantasy. Doesn't it?

people starving in the streets. what mind numbing horsecrap. marxist BS at its Che worst
 
people who vote for big spenders

Only democrats are big spenders. Right? :lamo Never Republicans. :lamo

Are you sure that poor people even vote? and how do you know who they are voting for?
 
Because I made a commitment to them in return for their commitment to me and my company.

Who says? Why can't you just close down your business when that happens?
See above.

I do believe that.
Thank you, but does that mean you don't believe the other parts? I thought you were just asking questions, not calling me a lair.
It looks like you are making your own decision. Nobody mandates that you prioritize in this manner. You are free to fire all of your employees. Something tells me that you would be f***ed if you did that. :roll: How stupid do you think we are? You aren't keeping employees because you are a nice guy.
Unlike many on the left, I have to make my own choices and decisions for myself. The government doesn't care about me, except quarterly and on April 15th. And as to why? See the first answer above.

Most of my employees are support employees. I'm the primary consultant and I have one part time guy that's retired and comes out in the field with me from time to time, but isn't a full time employee.

I could get by without my employees during slow times, just fine. What I can't do is sleep at night or live with myself if I did that, because I know the wives, husbands and kids of my employees, and I have made a commitment to them as well. Is it financially hard on me at times? Yes. Does my wife like it all the time? No, but she understands because she feels the same way I do about my employees and their families.

If you would prefer to feel that I'm full of BS, then fine. I couldn't care less about what you think about me personally, because you don't know me personally and you making such assumptions tells me more about you, than anything you may think you know about me.
 
what party does the lower middle class and poor vote for normally"

In some states the lower middle class and poor normally vote democrat. In some states the lower middle class and poor normally vote Republican. I would be willing to bet that the majority of lower middle class and poor people don't vote at all.

TurtleDude said:
when Obama says "the rich need to pay their fair share" (if that were true we'd be paying 1% of the taxes not 40%) who is he pandering to?

Do I have to answer the question in order to say that you have a good point with that one?
 
The point is that you get a lot of value for your taxes.

not nearly as much as those who pay no income taxes. that is the point

you should pay for what you get and get what you pay for
 
people starving in the streets. what mind numbing horsecrap. marxist BS at its Che worst

I am just saying that our country is a very safe and comfortable place to live. Everything we are doing is currently working. It makes me sad when I see people that are determined to make up negative things that aren't there.

Life is really good in the United States. Why do you think it is so bad? I don't think you should feel that way. We live in a good country that functions. It would be more obvious if we had a dysfunctional government. Don't be so negative. Please! It will make you miserable. If things are bad, that's fine. Go ahead and say they are bad. If things are good, there is no excuse for saying they are bad.
 
I am just saying that our country is a very safe and comfortable place to live. Everything we are doing is currently working. It makes me sad when I see people that are determined to make up negative things that aren't there.

Life is really good in the United States. Why do you think it is so bad? I don't think you should feel that way. We live in a good country that functions. It would be more obvious if we had a dysfunctional government. Don't be so negative. Please! It will make you miserable. If things are bad, that's fine. Go ahead and say they are bad. If things are good, there is no excuse for saying they are bad.

if you actually pay attention you will see that the system is going to fail sooner or later. as the old saying goes, a democracy falls apart when the masses learn they can vote themselves the content of the public treasury. The Dems mainly and some of the GOP are short term thinkers worrying only about their next election.
 
The point is that you get a lot of value for your taxes.

I get no more value than the guy that gets all his taxes back and then more in EIT credit. We travel the same roads. In fact, he may need the police and EMS more than I; don't know, just making assumptions like you are. We both use the same parks; although I can't remember when was the last time I had the time to go to a park. I'm sure that he uses public transportation more than I ever will. Both our kids went to the same public schools; in fact, I donated a bunch of money and time to those schools that he never did - my wife and I were on every PTO and were usually officers and spent many hours at those schools working in behalf of all the kids and the teachers, and couldn't get most of the other parents to show up. We drink the same water, although my water comes from a well since I live in the country and have my own septic tank - so no sewer. Oh wait, most of those are paid for with local taxes, and yes, some of them get partial grants from the Feds.

I just don't see how I get any more services from the government than anyone else gets? Could you please give me list and I will check to see if I've gotten something that everyone else doesn't.
 
I could get by without my employees during slow times, just fine. What I can't do is sleep at night or live with myself if I did that, because I know the wives, husbands and kids of my employees, and I have made a commitment to them as well.

We all spend our money on things that we like. It seems like you like to pay for the luxury of sleeping at night and living with yourself. Not every business owner thinks these things are important.

It's your money. You can spend it on whatever you like. If you want to pay uneccessary employees, then pay uneccessary employees but don't expect me to feel sorry for you. Some companies fire uneccessary labor. You are paying them by your own choice. Nobody is forcing you to pay them.
 
I'd love to know the FIT payments of those who voted Yes, like me vs those who voted no

I suspect pay more FIT than all the no votes combined (10 now)
 
I pay quarterly

Today is April 15. I thought you were implying that you paid your 2013 taxes today with a check for $200,000. I was going to pull the BS flag. Nevermind. Carry on.
 
oh lots of middle class don't understand the cost of government

I just wrote a 200K check to the IRS-I certainly know the cost of government and I know I don't get nearly in return for what I pay for because so many people get far more benefits than they pay in taxes.

what party does the lower middle class and poor vote for normally"

when Obama says "the rich need to pay their fair share" (if that were true we'd be paying 1% of the taxes not 40%) who is he pandering to?

They did an automatic draft from my account - today. No check. And it was a little more than yours. Not much, but a little.
 
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