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Do The Rich Pay Too Much Federal Income Taxes

Do The Rich Pay Too Much Income Taxes

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Gipper said:
That kind of thinking makes me want to pick up and move to a country that can prove its greatness through methods other than theft and extortion.
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Sean.McDonnell said:
If you want to get up and move, go ahead. With basically the whole industrialized world practicing socialism, I'm just curious, what country do you think you'll go to?
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I bet he won't answer your question.
 
Sean.McDonnell said:
Rob everyone's paycheck? Come on. Taxes are taxes, we all have to pay them, it is the price of living in a great country. A flat tax is ridiculous. Someone who makes 400k a year should not pay the same rate as someone who is hovering around the poverty line.
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Progressive taxation is discriminatory and we all know that when we advocate discrimination then we advocate evil. Or something. The government should treat every citizen equally. Progressive taxation doesn't treat every citizen equally.
 
RiverDad said:
Does a pretty woman owe men a lot more sex than average women because the pretty woman benefits more from men doing her bidding than what average women receive?

Does a talented musician owe the public free concerts compared to a mediocre musician?

Does a talent car mechanic have to give away his service one day a week compared to the mechanic who is just mediocre?

Or to take the argument directly to your territory, if the higher income earner owes more to the state because the state is responsible for his success then isn't his good judgment also needed in terms of voting - shouldn't he be granted more votes than the low income earner because he's clearly shown that his judgment is better because he was able to use those societal resources more efficiently than the low income earner who had EXACTLY the same chance to use those societal resources.
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And by the way, the poor don't usually have the same societal resources as the wealthy. Where you live makes a big difference. Don't believe me, go into a region with housing projects and tell me they have equal societal resources as someone from Malibu
 
Sean.McDonnell said:
If you want to get up and move, go ahead. With basically the whole industrialized world practicing socialism, I'm just curious, what country do you think you'll go to?
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There are still some nations that aren't big on organized theft.
 
Sean.McDonnell said:
For the same reason some religions have tithes. The community as a whole dictates that a percentage is more fair than a set number. It is unfair that the poor pay the same amount as the rich when it is more detrimental to them to pay the fee.
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It is unfair that some young men are virgins and other young men are scoring with lots of women.

It is unfair that some couples are infertile while other couples have lots of children.

Lot's of things in life are unfair. That doesn't mean that you should discriminate against people in order to remedy that unfairness.
 
Beaudreaux said:
That goes back to my question above: Who defines "rich?"

I pay the top amount, and can't afford attorney's or tax accountants r anything else. Ever heard of AMT?
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If that is true it is because you are spending your money on other things. I can afford an accountant and an attorney and I am far from being in the top bracket. Perhaps because I don't pay a huge mortgage, don't have lots of kids in private school, don't have servants, gardeners, nannies, don't support a stay at home wife, don't make payments on a new car, etc.

When rich people claim to be harmed because of high taxes (when they aren't lying) it is because they foolishly committed themselves to ongoing luxury expenses.
 
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Sean.McDonnell said:
Rob everyone's paycheck? Come on. Taxes are taxes, we all have to pay them, it is the price of living in a great country.
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Er, no we don't. Plenty of people are net recipients from the tax system.

A flat tax is ridiculous. Someone who makes 400k a year should not pay the same rate as someone who is hovering around the poverty line.
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:shrug: a flat tax would be incredibly economically beneficial. Our current behemoth of a tax code features such complexity and unknowableness that the lowest estimate for it's cost is that it reduces our economy by as much as 1% of GDP per year. But that measurement was in 2005. Since then we've only increased the size, scope, and idiocy of the damn thing, and it now costs our economy (we think) somewhere between $215 and $987 Billion annually.

That doesn't mean that you have to charge the exact same real tax rate to someone making $40K and someone making $400K. You can get the benefits of both systems. But yes, at current, our system leans more on upper income earners than any other major industrialized nation, and that could do with some adjustment.
 
RiverDad said:
It is unfair that some young men are virgins and other young men are scoring with lots of women.

It is unfair that some couples are infertile while other couples have lots of children.

Lot's of things in life are unfair. That doesn't mean that you should discriminate against people in order to remedy that unfairness.
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Haha really man?! There is a BIG difference between setting a fair government policy and men not getting laid. Where are you coming up with these arguments?!
 
Reagan created a Nation of scofflaws on Taxes.
A Nation of Big Corporate Takers from the right who want huge tax cuts, paid for from programs for the poor .
 
The United States has the most progressive tax system in the world.

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Beaudreaux said:
You may not understand what a flat tax is, and I wasn't talking about that. But since you mentioned it, if a person making $1M pays 20% ($200,000.00) and a person making $40k pays 20% ($8,000.00), then the guy making $1M pays $192,000.00 more than the other guy. That is fair. Both pay the same rate.

No one is saying that everyone should pay the same amount, just the same percentage.
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When low income people have a significant expense such as taxes it can interfere with their ability to purchase basic necessities, like medical care, food, clothing etc, When high income people have a significant expense such as taxes it will not interfere with their ability to purchase basic necessities, it only interferes with their ability to purchase a yacht or a summer home. Higher taxes have much less impact on the quality of life and health of the rich. That is why progressive taxes are fair and appropriate.
 
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Gipper said:
Um...what? Where did you get that figure from?

And if you use the words "capital gains", I'll punch you in the throat.
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Ooops, I was wrong it's about 34. 4 %, but it still not close to 50%
1,000,000 minus 450,000 = 550,000
550,000 times 39.6 equals 217,800
217,800 plus 125,846 equals 343,646
 
Sean.McDonnell said:
Haha really man?! There is a BIG difference between setting a fair government policy and men not getting laid. Where are you coming up with these arguments?!
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Explain the difference.

Why is it my burden to equalize some other person's income? Why can government force me to WORK and then take the proceeds of my LABOR and give that to another person. If the government can FORCE me to WORK then why can't the government FORCE people to have SEX?
 
pbrauer said:
Do the rich pay too much federal income tax?

Answer:

Yes

No

I don't Know

The 2013 tax tables are below:
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What's considered rich? People who pay 6 figures or more federal income tax?
 
pbrauer said:
Ooops, I was wrong it's about 34. 4 %, but it still not close to 50%
1,000,000 minus 450,000 = 550,000
550,000 times 39.6 equals 217,800
217,800 plus 125,846 equals 343,646
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Six zeroes in a billion now?
 
everybody pays too much so in an essence, yes the rich pay too much
 
RiverDad said:
Explain the difference.

Why is it my burden to equalize some other person's income? Why can government force me to WORK and then take the proceeds of my LABOR and give that to another person. If the government can FORCE me to WORK then why can't the government FORCE people to have SEX?
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Well lets just acknowledge that there is a precedent for graduated income tax.

Also, the government isn't forcing you to work

Also, really? the government forcing people to have sex? I can understand if you are passionate on the issue we are discussing, but you might want to take a step backwards to appreciate how stupid of a statement that is. revel in it.
 
No but the upper middle class sure as hell do...
 
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