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Can anything be done about trading with China?

What can be done?

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Jango

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Over the years several alarming events have transpired in the U.S. as a result of the trade relationship with China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/business/worldbusiness/19toys.html?pagewanted=all
China agrees to eliminate lead paint in toy exports - Sep. 11, 2007
FDA: Melamine found in baby formula made in China - USATODAY.com
Counterfeit Chinese Parts Slipping Into U.S. Military Aircraft: Senate Report - ABC News
U.S. bacon prices rise after virus kills baby pigs - CBS News
Measles Cases Linked to U.S. Adoptions of Chinese Children: CDC
Tainted Chinese Imports Common
Photos: China's Tainted-Product Scandals - WSJ.com
FDA Halts Imports of Farmed Fish From China - ABC News
2007 Chinese export recalls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tainted Chinese Honey May Be on U.S. Store Shelves | TIME.com
China admits tainted food link - USATODAY.com
Chicken Processed In China May Begin Showing Up In U.S. « CBS San Francisco
FDA: Throw away Chinese toothpaste - Health - Health care - More health news | NBC News
2007 pet food recalls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/business/08drywall.html?pagewanted=all
Lead-Tainted Kids' Shoes From China Seized At Seattle Port
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/health/policy/17fda.html

Granted, U.S. import quality standards could be orders of magnitude better, but case-after-case shows quite clearly that China's manufacturing industry has next to nil production quality standards. And this lack of standards has sickened and killed Americans.

So, what can be done about it?
 
Jango said:
Over the years several alarming events have transpired in the U.S. as a result of the trade relationship with China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/business/worldbusiness/19toys.html?pagewanted=all
China agrees to eliminate lead paint in toy exports - Sep. 11, 2007
FDA: Melamine found in baby formula made in China - USATODAY.com
Counterfeit Chinese Parts Slipping Into U.S. Military Aircraft: Senate Report - ABC News
U.S. bacon prices rise after virus kills baby pigs - CBS News
Measles Cases Linked to U.S. Adoptions of Chinese Children: CDC
Tainted Chinese Imports Common
Photos: China's Tainted-Product Scandals - WSJ.com
FDA Halts Imports of Farmed Fish From China - ABC News
2007 Chinese export recalls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tainted Chinese Honey May Be on U.S. Store Shelves | TIME.com
China admits tainted food link - USATODAY.com
Chicken Processed In China May Begin Showing Up In U.S. « CBS San Francisco
FDA: Throw away Chinese toothpaste - Health - Health care - More health news | NBC News
2007 pet food recalls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/business/08drywall.html?pagewanted=all
Lead-Tainted Kids' Shoes From China Seized At Seattle Port
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/health/policy/17fda.html

Granted, U.S. import quality standards could be orders of magnitude better, but case-after-case shows quite clearly that China's manufacturing industry has next to nil production quality standards. And this lack of standards has sickened and killed Americans.

So, what can be done about it?
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Put in more effort checking at the boarder and heavy penalties on the vendors and producers of faulty goods.
 
This goes well beyond safety concerns. My Wife's company is recalling some of their manufacturing facilities in China because they just won't listen to how something is suppose to be made.

Bring manufacturing (and the jobs) back to America!
 
WCH said:
This goes well beyond safety concerns. My Wife's company is recalling some of their manufacturing facilities in China because they just won't listen to how something is suppose to be made.

Bring manufacturing (and the jobs) back to America!
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Make America a place where manufactures want to be instead of a place the desire to run away from.
 
My Chinese built iPhone's and iPad's seem fine.

If the quality is so terrible, people won't buy it.

All this sounds like anti-Chinese rhetoric to me.

Has no one seen the GM news lately? 13 deaths that could have probably been prevented. And the government owned it while some of this was going on.

Leave the government out of it unless the products in America prove to be dangerous.
 
DA60 said:
My Chinese built iPhone's and iPad's seem fine.

If the quality is so terrible, people won't buy it.

All this sounds like anti-Chinese rhetoric to me.

Has no one seen the GM news lately? 13 deaths that could have probably been prevented. And the government owned it while some of this was going on.

Leave the government out of it unless the products in America prove to be dangerous.
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Its almost ironic, the race to the bottom, the competing for cheaper and cheaper labor, isn't it?
GM
 
Lovebug said:
Its almost ironic, the race to the bottom, the competing for cheaper and cheaper labor, isn't it?
GM
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Throw in the cost of shipping and it makes you wonder how anyone makes a profit using Chinese labor.
 
I'm wondering if our government has made some kind of trade deal with China that precludes Americans from filing product liability suits, with the availability of punitive damage awards, against China by American citizens.

China's routine has always been to start out with acceptable products, then after a period of time, when the market is established, the quality begins to decline more and more.

That decline in quality is why when you break bolts or tools from Home Depot, but made in China, they always seem to have a partial cold joint at the break. It's very obvious. Eventually there is zero quality-control, which means higher profit for China, but danger for American buyers.
 
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WCH said:
Bring manufacturing (and the jobs) back to America!
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Very few would disagree with this sentiment.
It would seem to be an issue that a smart politician or political party would grab hold of and run with.
I think the majority of Americans are fat and happy and, therefore, disinterested in the problem....so far.
 
Jango said:
Over the years several alarming events have transpired in the U.S. as a result of the trade relationship with China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/business/worldbusiness/19toys.html?pagewanted=all
China agrees to eliminate lead paint in toy exports - Sep. 11, 2007
FDA: Melamine found in baby formula made in China - USATODAY.com
Counterfeit Chinese Parts Slipping Into U.S. Military Aircraft: Senate Report - ABC News
U.S. bacon prices rise after virus kills baby pigs - CBS News
Measles Cases Linked to U.S. Adoptions of Chinese Children: CDC
Tainted Chinese Imports Common
Photos: China's Tainted-Product Scandals - WSJ.com
FDA Halts Imports of Farmed Fish From China - ABC News
2007 Chinese export recalls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tainted Chinese Honey May Be on U.S. Store Shelves | TIME.com
China admits tainted food link - USATODAY.com
Chicken Processed In China May Begin Showing Up In U.S. « CBS San Francisco
FDA: Throw away Chinese toothpaste - Health - Health care - More health news | NBC News
2007 pet food recalls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/business/08drywall.html?pagewanted=all
Lead-Tainted Kids' Shoes From China Seized At Seattle Port
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/health/policy/17fda.html

Granted, U.S. import quality standards could be orders of magnitude better, but case-after-case shows quite clearly that China's manufacturing industry has next to nil production quality standards. And this lack of standards has sickened and killed Americans.

So, what can be done about it?
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Pull out of any trade agreements we have with China. Americans having jobs and safe products is more important than China using our dollars to strengthen their military.
 
DVSentinel said:
Make America a place where manufactures want to be instead of a place the desire to run away from.
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I guess we could do that.
What does China have that we don't have?
Let's see....a horribly polluted environment, an authoritarian gov't, a population willing to work for slave wages, no pesky "business-killing" regulations.
Hmmph.....I'm doubtful that we will implement the changes that would make the USA desirable for Chinese-based manufacturers.
 
radioman said:
Very few would disagree with this sentiment.
It would seem to be an issue that a smart politician or political party would grab hold of and run with.
I think the majority of Americans are fat and happy and, therefore, disinterested in the problem....so far.
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Cut off a few benefits or end their unemployment insurance and see how they agree with me.

This day will come.
 
radioman said:
I guess we could do that.
What does China have that we don't have?
Let's see....a horribly polluted environment, an authoritarian gov't, a population willing to work for slave wages, no pesky "business-killing" regulations.
Hmmph.....I'm doubtful that we will implement the changes that would make the USA desirable for Chinese-based manufacturers.
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This is what cracks me up about those who toss the salad of business owners is their logic that somehow we should make ourselves like China in order to entice companies to produce goods in America. Those companies were producing goods in America before traitors in office signed trade agreements that lowered tariffs.
 
There's lots that can be done, there's nothing that will be done though. So long as it is cheaper and easier for American companies to manufacture in China, they will continue to ship every possible job there. Lower production costs = higher profit. If we'd pass laws that required American companies to follow American laws regardless where they do business, things would change. If they had to follow all American labor laws, environmental laws, etc., plus forced them to pay the same wages everyone on the planet as they would here, they'd never manufacture overseas.

But we don't have the balls to do that.
 
radioman said:
I guess we could do that.
What does China have that we don't have?
Let's see....a horribly polluted environment, an authoritarian gov't, a population willing to work for slave wages, no pesky "business-killing" regulations.
Hmmph.....I'm doubtful that we will implement the changes that would make the USA desirable for Chinese-based manufacturers.
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If it comes down to me having a job and making a living or the extinction of a turtle or an owl, well, **** the turtles and the owls.
 
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