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The Source of Black Poverty

The Source of Black Poverty?

  • The culture-of-poverty option

    Votes: 21 42.9%

  • The black culture option

    Votes: 17 34.7%

  • The racism exists option

    Votes: 10 20.4%

  • All three, with some lean towards 1 & 2

    Votes: 4 8.2%

  • Any combo, including government

    Votes: 13 26.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 14 28.6%
  • Total voters
    49
RiverDad said:
Race is not just skin color.
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Yeah, yeah, you spam that article plenty. It means nothing.


You believe blacks have lower IQs and a genetic propensity for violence. That's racist.
 
ecofarm said:
Skin color changes with latitude. Each of us may have been black and white and black again, if our ancestors moved, over the past couple million years.
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Want to scare them? Evolution depends on isolation. Without isolation, interbreeding prevents speciation. The world is getting less isolated, not more. That means interbreeding is not only going to prevent speciation, but all races are becoming more homogenous. Before long, they won't even be able to tell the races apart and it will be a dead concept. Who will they look down upon then?
 
Redress said:
Before long, they won't even be able to tell the races apart and it will be a dead concept.
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I kinda wish I could time travel and see that. How nice it must be.
 
Redress said:
Want to scare them? Evolution depends on isolation. Without isolation, interbreeding prevents speciation. The world is getting less isolated, not more. That means interbreeding is not only going to prevent speciation, but all races are becoming more homogenous. Before long, they won't even be able to tell the races apart and it will be a dead concept. Who will they look down upon then?
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I'll bet you can't wait for next week to arrive so that this process will have been completed. Am I right, well am I? I bet you're going to pop open a brewski and toast a job well done.
 
ecofarm said:
It's not a personal attack. Your comments are classic racism.
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Could you explain the reasoning you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

Is there anything in my comments that you dispute?
 
Muhammed said:
Could you explain the reasoning you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

Is there anything in my comments that you dispute?
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IQ tests are skewed by cultural and economic influence.

There is no genetic propensity for violence in blacks.

Your claims are flat-out racism.
 
RiverDad said:
I'll bet you can't wait for next week to arrive so that this process will have been completed. Am I right, well am I? I bet you're going to pop open a brewski and toast a job well done.
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Next week would be nice. Won't be that fast. I do so wish you could see it though, would just make my day.
 
ecofarm said:
Yeah, yeah, you spam that article plenty. It means nothing.
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It's short and sweet and cuts right to the point. All non-Africans are hybrids of homo sapien and neanderthal. People of African descent are pure homo sapiens. Any claims that we're all the same with only minor cosmetic differences are now off the table. Genetic differences are now in the game and there's no denying that. Three little lines in a BBC article is all that is needed to make that point.
 
Redress said:
Please learn how evolution works. Hint: it does not tie skin color and intelligence together.
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Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

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The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

The science backs up my comments.
 
Muhammed said:
Could you explain the reasoning you used to come to that ridiculous conclusion?

Is there anything in my comments that you dispute?
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There's going to be a lot of crying, gnashing of teeth, pointing and sputtering and name calling directed at you. None of that means that you're wrong. What you're witnessing are the death throes of a failed ideology, extreme environmental determinism, which completely rejected the notion that evolution has had any influence on socially relevant behavioral traits which differ across racial groups.
 
RiverDad said:
It's short and sweet and cuts right to the point. All non-Africans are hybrids of homo sapien and neanderthal. People of African descent are pure homo sapiens. Any claims that we're all the same with only minor cosmetic differences are now off the table. Genetic differences are now in the game and there's no denying that. Three little lines in a BBC article is all that is needed to make that point.
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Wait, wait! So you are saying that physical characteristics are genetic? Holy ****, who would have thunk it?

Do you realize that what you have proven is not only something that is pretty widely known, but is also irrelevant to your point. Find the genetic markers for intelligence and violence and tie them into genetic markers for skin color, then you might actually have something. Good luck with that. Check with Stormfront again, they might have another article which doesn't show quite what you think it does.
 
RiverDad said:
It's short and sweet and cuts right to the point. All non-Africans are hybrids of homo sapien and neanderthal. People of African descent are pure homo sapiens. Any claims that we're all the same with only minor cosmetic differences are now off the table. Genetic differences are now in the game and there's no denying that. Three little lines in a BBC article is all that is needed to make that point.
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Genetic differences were always recognized. What do you think causes skin color?

And none of those genetic variations have anything to do with IQ or a propensity for violence.

You're just using minor variations to push the racist narrative. That you would claim blacks have a genetic propensity for violence proves, beyond any doubt, that you are -in fact- a racist. Why are you ashamed to admit it? It's so cowardly to not own it. If you're so confident in your convictions, why hide in shame?
 
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ecofarm said:
IQ tests are skewed by cultural and economic influence.

There is no genetic propensity for violence in blacks.

Your claims are flat-out racism.
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Where's your evidence?

So how do you explain the disproportionate percentage of rapes being committed by blacks?
 
Redress said:
Wait, wait! So you are saying that physical characteristics are genetic? Holy ****, who would have thunk it?
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That includes the physical characteristics of the human brain.
 
Muhammed said:
Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

snip

The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

The science backs up my comments.
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You should really look at newer research: http://people.virginia.edu/~ent3c/papers2/nisbett2012int.pdf

We review new findings and new theoretical developments
in the field of intelligence. New findings include the follow-
ing: (a) Heritability of IQ varies significantly by social

class. (b) Almost no genetic polymorphisms have been

discovered that are consistently associated with variation
in IQ in the normal range. (c) Much has been learned
about the biological underpinnings of intelligence. (d)
“Crystallized” and “fluid” IQ are quite different aspects of
intelligence at both the behavioral and biological levels.
(e) The importance of the environment for IQ is established

by the 12-point to 18-point increase in IQ when children
are adopted from working-class to middle-class homes. (f)
Even when improvements in IQ produced by the most
effective early childhood interventions fail to persist, there
can be very marked effects on academic achievement and
life outcomes. (g) In most developed countries studied,
gains on IQ tests have continued, and they are beginning in
the developing world. (h) Sex differences in aspects of
intelligence are due partly to identifiable biological factors
and partly to socialization factors. (i) The IQ gap between

Blacks and Whites has been reduced by 0.33 SD in recent
years. We report theorizing concerning (a) the relationship
between working memory and intelligence, (b) the appar-
ent contradiction between strong heritability effects on IQ
and strong secular effects on IQ, (c) whether a general
intelligence factor could arise from initially largely inde-
pendent cognitive skills, (d) the relation between self-reg-
ulation and cognitive skills, and (e) the effects of stress on
intelligence.
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To the extent that Blacks and Whites interact mainly
with members of their own groups, potent social multipli-
ers could be exacerbating the existing differences in intel-
ligence. If the primary environmental causes (e.g., discrim-
ination in jobs and housing) are removed, the multiplier
effects should unwind; that is, the removal of small persis-

tent environmental differences between groups could have
large effects on group differences in IQ
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Redress said:
You should really look at newer research: http://people.virginia.edu/~ent3c/papers2/nisbett2012int.pdf
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This is what the paper in your link says...

That controversy has faded in the intervening years, as scientists have learned that not only intelligence but practically every aspect of behavior on which human beings differ is heritable to some extent

It backs up my statement 100%.

It's not even a controversy anymore, it's genetic.
 
Muhammed said:
This is what the paper in your link says...

That controversy has faded in the intervening years, as scientists have learned that not only intelligence but practically every aspect of behavior on which human beings differ is heritable to some extent

It backs up my statement.

It's not even a controversy anymore, it's genetic.
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No, that simply means that genetics plays some factor in intelligence. No one has denied that. That is far from what you are claiming however.
 
Redress said:
No, that simply means that genetics plays some factor in intelligence. No one has denied that. That is far from what you are claiming however.
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BS!

Actually that is exactly what I was claiming.
 
Muhammed said:
This is what the paper in your link says...

That controversy has faded in the intervening years, as scientists have learned that not only intelligence but practically every aspect of behavior on which human beings differ is heritable to some extent

It backs up my statement 100%.

It's not even a controversy anymore, it's genetic.
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To interpret that as such is madness.
 
ecofarm said:
To interpret that as such is madness.
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Howso?

Face it, the science backs up my statements 100%.

And for you to call my statements racist is slanderous. I never claimed that people with a lower IQ or people who commit more violence are in any way inferior in he first place. I merely said that it was my opinion those traits can hurt their chances in the job market.

Do you disagree that having a lower IQ or a violent criminal record can hurt ones chances of landing a good job?


EDIT: And BTW, you never did tell us your theory as to why blacks commit a disproportionate percentage of violent crimes like rape where there is no economic payoff.
 
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DDD said:
This is a matter of perspective. You use the biological/evolutionary perspective. Thousand of years of conditioning have made them biologically prone to being poor.

But in a different social perspective values, action, and everything else is defined together from the society. So what is to keep the black people from communicating with the rest of the American body about common values and morals and pursuing them together?
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Nothing...which is why many do.
 
Muhammed said:
Howso?
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Everyone knows that IQ is heritable to some extent. That in no way proves blacks have lower IQs. Your leap of logic is so great and nonsensical as to indicate insanity.
 
Muhammed said:
Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

snip

The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.

The science backs up my comments.
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Muhammed said:
BS!

Actually that is exactly what I was claiming.
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As you can see, that is not what you claimed.

As my source points out, the IQ gap between races has gone down about 5 points in a matter of years. That strongly suggests environmental factors playing the key role in any differences, since it sure ain't genetics causing the gap to narrow.
 
70 in sub-Saharan Africa.
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That's a famously debunked study. It's merely being cited by the paper. That data is not generated by the paper.
 
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