Are interracial couples acceptable?[ W: 330]

Peter Grimm said:

I believe this is a euphemism, and that if we ever did scratch the surface and do the studies I'm sure that we would find that race is much more than skin deep. There is no reason to think that the same genetic drift that caused differences in facial structure and skin color could not also account for differences in the structure of the brain.

I would speculate that if anyone were crazy enough to actually measure it, they would find a statistically significant difference in the mental functioning of different racial groups, with Jews and Asians being smarter than everyone else, and blacks and native americans being on the shallow end, whites somewhere in the middle.

I'm also of the opinion, though, that it would do society no good at all to even begin to look in to these things, and so we shouldn't encourage that kind of research.

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Ugh. I know I'm going to regret bringing this up, but it is worth mentioning that white slave owners in the US did make a habit of selectively "breeding" African-American slaves to bring out certain genetic traits, just as they would any other domesticated animal.

Of the traits they selected for in doing so, intelligence generally was not an especially high priority on the list.

I certainly hope this hasn't been a long term factor, and whether African-Americans were even consistently subjected to this treatment for anywhere near long enough a period of time to make any substantial difference with regards to population wide intelligence levels is ultimately a question I couldn't even begin to answer in the first place. However, it does raise some interesting implications nevertheless.

Just sayin'. :shrug:

Peter Grimm said:

Over 90% of the poll respondents say they have no problem with it. LOL yeah right guys. People always lie about their racism because it's socially taboo to object to something like interracial couples.

I, on the other hand, am so awesome that I could care less about social taboos. So I will just give it to you straight.

I'm white. I have dated many asian women. In fact, my last girlfriend was asian. The first girl I ever kissed was black. So basically, when it comes to me, I find people of all colors to be attractive.

When it comes to white women, however, I don't like seeing them with men of other races. Not 100 percent sure the reason, as it's mainly a gut reaction. Maybe I'm a racist subconsciously, who knows.

I believe, though, the reasons are because I want all women to be attracted to guys who resemble me. Since I'm not black or asian, those guys don't resemble me, therefore I have no interest in seeing them succeed sexually.

When I see a white woman with a black man, my first thought is that there must be something wrong with her.

It's more of an envy thing and an ego thing than a racial thing, at the end of the day.

Also, most guys feel the same way I do. I happen to know that from talking to a lot of people in the real world on a daily basis. They will, however, lie to you about it.

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:lamo now thats funny

even though they lie, YOU know its "most" guys because for some reason they tell you but not others?

thats the second most dumb thing i read today, and so is your logic behind your reasoning because it makes no sense

"resemble" in relationship to just white/race is beyond stupid. Theres no logic in that at all.

Should those white girls think theres somethign wrong with you when they see you with a asian?
what if you are 5'8", over weight with blonde hair and she is with a 6ft in shape guy with black hair he most certainly wouldnt "resemble" you lol

now im not claiming to know why you feel the way you do, but "resemblance" makes no sense whatsoever even with the reasoning you provided

Gathomas88 said:

Whether African-Americans would have been subjected to this treatment for anywhere near long enough a period of time to make a substantial difference with regardless to population wide intelligence levels is ultimately a question I couldn't even begin to answer, but it does raise some interesting implications.

Just sayin'. :shrug:

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African-Americans have benefited from admixture with whites. Their mean intelligence measures higher than non-admixed Africans from all the different cultures in Africa.

RiverDad said:

African-Americans have benefited from admixture with whites. Their mean intelligence measures higher than non-admixed Africans from all the different cultures in Africa.

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So, does this mean (to you) that whites should not procreate with blacks?

RiverDad said:

African-Americans have benefited from admixture with whites. Their mean intelligence measures higher than non-admixed Africans from all the different cultures in Africa.

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Do you have a source for that?

lizzie said:

So, does this mean (to you) that whites should not procreate with blacks?

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I didn't say that at all, I was simply correcting Gathomas88's statement. How on Earth did you leap to that question? I didn't mention procreation at all.

RiverDad said:

I didn't say that at all, I was simply correcting Gathomas88's statement. How on Earth did you leap to that question? I didn't mention procreation at all.

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It was something I was curious about.

Gathomas88 said:

Do you have a source for that?

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The American Psychological Association devoted an entire journal to this issue back in 2005. Here you go.

justabubba said:

what about bearing a child with someone who was mentally deficient

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My wife often claims that she did just that.

lizzie said:

It was something I was curious about.

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It's a self-correcting process, so the consequences don't really matter. The restriction on liberty is too great and not worth the benefit.

RiverDad said:

Imagine that, a dude finds a 16-18 year old young women to be amazing looking. What is the world coming to?

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Is Halle Berry 16-18?

Is Jessica Alba?

Is Norah Jones?

Ida Ljungqvist?

Shannon Elizabeth?

Zoe Saldana (the increedible looking Lt. Uhura on Star Trek)?

I find/found all of these women 'amazing' looking.

(all are mixed 'race'...not all are 'black'/'white')

And this is just the tip of the iceberg...and I am as WASP as it gets (btw).


BTW - Jasmine Sanders is 22/23 (though I do not know how old when the above pic of her was taken - I hope it was over 18).

AGENT J said:

:lamo now thats funny

even though they lie, YOU know its "most" guys because for some reason they tell you but not others?

thats the second most dumb thing i read today, and so is your logic behind your reasoning because it makes no sense

"resemble" in relationship to just white/race is beyond stupid. Theres no logic in that at all.

Should those white girls think theres somethign wrong with you when they see you with a asian?
what if you are 5'8", over weight with blonde hair and she is with a 6ft in shape guy with black hair he most certainly wouldnt "resemble" you lol

now im not claiming to know why you feel the way you do, but "resemblance" makes no sense whatsoever even with the reasoning you provided

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I'm relating to you how other white men think because most of my friends are young white people and I have a large social circle. I'm relating my experience, not conducting a scientific survey. Maybe everyone I've ever known is an outlier and my friends are a bunch of racists. I don't think so, though. But you can believe whatever you want.

As for why I think the way I do.... I said in the original post that it's a gut reaction and not something I've arrived at intellectually. I see a white man with a black girl, I think "good for him." I see a black man with a white woman and I think "she must have herpes or something."

Maybe I'm just a racist on the inside. I don't really know. I can tell you this, though.... if I see an old man with a young, hot girl, I have the EXACT same reaction. And I'm young, not old. If I see a midget with a good looking girl, I have the exact same reaction (actually, I've never seen this).

If I see a guy that looks just like me but he's clearly French or some other nationality, I have the same negative reaction.

Even.... if I see a hillbilly truckdriver with a hot girl, I have the same reaction. Because I'm not a hillbilly truckdriver.

I really do think I just like seeing people who are as similar to me as possible get all the hot girls, whereas people who are different from me.... not so much.

A bit of context:


"John Enoch Powell, MBE (/ˈdʒɒn ˈiːnɒk paʊl/; 16 June 1912 – 8 February 1998) was a British politician, classical scholar, linguist and poet. He served as a Conservative Member of Parliament (MP) (1950–74), Ulster Unionist Party (UUP) MP (1974–1987), and Minister of Health (1960–63). He attained most prominence in 1968, when he made a controversial speech on immigration, now widely referred to as the "Rivers of Blood" speech. In response, he was dismissed from his position as Shadow Defence Secretary (1965–68) in the Shadow Cabinet of Edward Heath..

on 20 April 1968, he made a controversial speech in Birmingham in which he warned his audience of what he believed would be the consequences of continued unchecked immigration from the Commonwealth to Britain. Above all, it is an allusion to the Roman poet Virgil towards the end of the speech which has been remembered, giving the speech its colloquial name:

As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'. That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the 20th century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now.

The Times declared it "an evil speech", stating, "This is the first time that a serious British politician has appealed to racial hatred in this direct way in our postwar history."[23]

The main political issue addressed by the speech was not immigration as such, however. It was the introduction by the Labour Government of the Race Relations Act 1968, which Powell found offensive and immoral. The Act would prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race in certain areas of British life, particularly housing, where many local authorities had been refusing to provide houses for immigrant families until they had lived in the country for a certain number of years.[24][25]

One feature of his speech was the extensive quotation of a letter he claimed to have received detailing the experiences of one of his constituents in Wolverhampton. The writer described the fate of an elderly woman who was supposedly the last white person living in her street. She had repeatedly refused applications from nonwhites requiring rooms-to-let, which resulted in her being called a "racialist" outside her home and receiving "excreta" through her letterbox.[26][27]"
Wikipedia

RiverDad said:

Stating things which are not true, doesn't make them true. This sure doesn't look like people are naturally inclined to favor differences:

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RiverDad said:

Your analysis is sound. What this study tells us is really quite restricted - of those people who WILL state a preference, this is how matters fall out. What these study participants have done is known as "Expressed Preferences" but we know from research and even from how we all live life that there is often quite a big difference between what we say and what we do and this disparity between what is said and what is done is largest when the issue is sensitive or there is a "politically correct" position.

For instance, a woman might well say "I would date a black man and I would judge his suitability on his personality and not on race." Over the course of many introductions to black men she never manages to find one who meets her suitability criteria while meeting many white men who she does date. What's going on? We don't even have to assume that she's lying about her position, she might well believe it because she wants to think of herself as that kind of person. Her actions though tell a different story.

Issues like this can be looked at from a number of different levels. I'm surprised that so many people in that survey actually did reveal preferences and state exclusions because those are very politically incorrect positions to declare.

This OK Cupid data takes us one step up the ladder - now we're looking at actions. These aren't dates between people, just women responding to men, but already we're seeing differences starting to emerge:

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Where are the links to these two charts?

They mean absolutely NOTHING unless you can provide their source.

Peter Grimm said:

I see a black man with a white woman and I think "she must have herpes or something."

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You think this because you've been exposed to reality - most black man/white woman pairings are of lower class. If all you saw around you was guys like Robert DeNiro marrying Grace Hightower or David Bowie marrying Imam, then your view on this issue would be informed by that reality.

DA60 said:

They mean absolutely NOTHING unless you can provide their source.

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OK Cupid.

Peter Grimm said:

1.)I'm relating to you how other white men think because most of my friends are young white people and I have a large social circle. I'm relating my experience, not conducting a scientific survey. Maybe everyone I've ever known is an outlier and my friends are a bunch of racists. I don't think so, though. But you can believe whatever you want.

2.)As for why I think the way I do.... I said in the original post that it's a gut reaction and not something I've arrived at intellectually. I see a white man with a black girl, I think "good for him." I see a black man with a white woman and I think "she must have herpes or something."

3.)Maybe I'm just a racist on the inside. I don't really know. I can tell you this, though....

4.) if I see an old man with a young, hot girl, I have the EXACT same reaction. And I'm young, not old. If I see a midget with a good looking girl, I have the exact same reaction (actually, I've never seen this).

5.) If I see a guy that looks just like me but he's clearly French or some other nationality, I have the same negative reaction.

6.)Even.... if I see a hillbilly truckdriver with a hot girl, I have the same reaction. Because I'm not a hillbilly truckdriver.

7.)I really do think I just like seeing people who are as similar to me as possible get all the hot girls, whereas people who are different from me.... not so much.

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1.) sorry i know ZERO white men that think like that and nor did I suggested you did a scientific study nor did implied your friends are racist i just pointed out how insanely halarious it was for you to say most men feel the same as you and claim they just lie about it. That claim is hilarious and mentally retarded.

sorry your strawmen of scientific and racism completely fail and were as silly as the assumption you posted lol

2.) and as i pointed out thats stupid even based on the logic you presented, thats dumb and theres no logic in it

3.)dont know you nor did i comment on that just said your logic is illogical to most people and your assumption was asinine.
4.) you think the young girl has herpes, yes that is stupid too

5.) so any girl that isnt dating a person who looks like you and isnt just like you nationality wise has herpes or somethign else wrong with her? yes assumptions like that are mentally retarded but also HILARIOUS

6.) see above

7.) the "thoughts" you are admitting to seem like text book examples associated with severe insecurity and other mental issues

ive never had those feelings in my life.

I would wonder if i saw a smokin hot 20yr old with an ugly 70yr old if it was money based. race or origin would play a role and i wouldnt think anything was wrong with the girl and herpes would never cross my mind LOL

and most importantly i would never related it to myself or be upset about it

RiverDad said:

You think this because you've been exposed to reality - most black man/white woman pairings are of lower class. If all you saw around you was guys like Robert DeNiro marrying Grace Hightower or David Bowie marrying Imam, then your view on this issue would be informed by that reality.

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Or I'm just a bigot. In the name of fairness, I have to admit that's a possibility.

RiverDad said:

Stating things which are not true, doesn't make them true. This sure doesn't look like people are naturally inclined to favor differences:

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Peter Grimm said:

Over 90% of the poll respondents say they have no problem with it. LOL yeah right guys. People always lie about their racism because it's socially taboo to object to something like interracial couples.

I, on the other hand, am so awesome that I could care less about social taboos. So I will just give it to you straight.

I'm white. I have dated many asian women. In fact, my last girlfriend was asian. The first girl I ever kissed was black. So basically, when it comes to me, I find people of all colors to be attractive.

When it comes to white women, however, I don't like seeing them with men of other races. Not 100 percent sure the reason, as it's mainly a gut reaction. Maybe I'm a racist subconsciously, who knows.

I believe, though, the reasons are because I want all women to be attracted to guys who resemble me. Since I'm not black or asian, those guys don't resemble me, therefore I have no interest in seeing them succeed sexually.

When I see a white woman with a black man, my first thought is that there must be something wrong with her.

It's more of an envy thing and an ego thing than a racial thing, at the end of the day.

Also, most guys feel the same way I do. I happen to know that from talking to a lot of people in the real world on a daily basis. They will, however, lie to you about it.

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Really?

You personally know over 1 billion 'guys'?

Because unless you do, you cannot possibly know what 'most guys' think.

You might be right or wrong, but making ridiculously, inaccurate statements like that does not further your cause.

AGENT J said:

1.) sorry i know ZERO white men that think like that and nor did I suggested you did a scientific study nor did implied your friends are racist i just pointed out how insanely halarious it was for you to say most men feel the same as you and claim they just lie about it. That claim is hilarious and mentally retarded.

sorry your strawmen of scientific and racism completely fail and were as silly as the assumption you posted lol

2.) and as i pointed out thats stupid even based on the logic you presented

3.)dont know you nor did i comment on that just said your logic is illogical to most people and your assumption was asinine.
4.) you think the young girl has herpes, yes that is stupid too

5.) so any girl that isnt dating a person who looks like you and isnt just like you nationality wise has herpes or somethign else wrong with her? yes assumptions like that are mentally retarded but also HILARIOUS

6.) see above

7.) the "thoughts" you are admitting to seem like text book examples associated with severe insecurity and other mental issues

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I don't know, you're the one who seems to be getting worked up. I'm just laying it all out there because I don't care one bit what anyone thinks of me. I think what I think, feel what I feel, and if you don't like it, that's your hangup not mine.

RiverDad said:

Stating things which are not true, doesn't make them true. This sure doesn't look like people are naturally inclined to favor differences:

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RiverDad said:

OK Cupid.

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I see one chart - where is the other one from?

DA60 said:

Really?

You personally know over 1 billion 'guys'?

Because unless you do, you cannot possibly know what 'most guys' think.

You might be right or wrong, but making ridiculously, inaccurate statements like that does not further your cause.

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I didn't make the world the way it is, I'm just tossing out an observation I made with as much honesty and realism as I can. If you don't want to believe it, that's on you.

Hard Truth said:

The Times declared it "an evil speech", stating, "This is the first time that a serious British politician has appealed to racial hatred in this direct way in our postwar history."[23]

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Why do you include an opinion of a newspaper and omit the following from the source you quote:

And then of course we have the ability to test his analysis against reality. Was he correct or incorrect?

Peter Grimm said:

1.)I don't know, you're the one who seems to be getting worked up.
2.)I'm just laying it all out there because I don't care one bit what anyone thinks of me.
3.)I think what I think, feel what I feel, and if you don't like it, that's your hangup not mine.

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1.) worked up? how do you come to that conclusion by me laughing and saying how hilarious that is? lol

seems like just as solid as an assumption as MOST guys feel just like you lol

2.) never suggested you care what people think of you, another failed strawman, i only pointed out your false statement

3.) again, another failed strawman, no hang up at all. Pointed out the parts that were wrong and the parts that made no sense

anything else lol?

DA60 said:

I see one chart - where is the other one from?

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Right here.